Re: Hughes和Kennedy誰強呢？

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: 推 WillWaiting:Mike Mussina不就是用彈指曲球嗎XDrz                  11/30 01:50
: 推 WillWaiting:另外Hughes用的的確是彈指曲球                        11/30 01:55
: 推 appshjkli:Moose不用彈指曲一段時間了                             11/30 01:56
: → appshjkli:Phil Hughes的曲球握法我記得是Moose教他現在用的握法    11/30 01:57
: 推 WillWaiting:Moose哪裡不用彈指曲XDrz                             11/30 01:58
: → WillWaiting:多去看看新聞ok?                                     11/30 01:59
: → WillWaiting:http://tinyurl.com/2aqk56                           11/30 01:59
: 推 appshjkli:我找找之前看到的好了                                  11/30 02:04
: 推 WillWaiting:我好像搞錯了XDD                                     11/30 02:09
: → WillWaiting:Mike Mussina現在投的是另一種曲球(spike ball)        11/30 02:10
: → WillWaiting:不過有些人叫knuckle curve 也叫spike ball            11/30 02:10
: 推 appshjkli:http://0rz.tw/8b3ma CCLu的文章中提到的                11/30 02:20
: → appshjkli:當初是看到這篇就是了                                  11/30 02:21

首先

http://tinyurl.com/25pfmx

Mussina made up his knuckle-curve and used it for more than 20 years. He
hooked his index and middle fingers into the seams and used his other three
fingers to support the bottom half of the ball. As he propelled the ball
forward, he shot his fingers out to form a V. The result was hard topspin
action that caused the ball to break in different directions.

Now that he is 38, with an elbow that has bothered him in recent years,
Mussina no longer throws that pitch. His current curveball is one he learned
at Stanford in 1988. He digs into the seam above the sweet spot with his
index finger only — a so-called spike curveball — and rests his middle
finger a few centimeters away.


上面那段是說Mussina原本有一種彈指曲球握法是食指跟中指勾起來  像彈指球一樣出手

但是因為近年Mussina老了 手臂負擔大了改用另一種丟法  Spike curve

(這是彈指曲球的另一種說法，不過跟Mussina原本的彈指曲有點不一樣)

是食指指尖壓在縫線上  但是中指跟食指有點分開

http://tinyurl.com/2hkaar

這個網頁裡  A Pitcher's Arsenal的第三張  應該就是現在Mussina的丟法

這也算一種彈指曲，而且從Mussina在史丹佛就會的

(不過圖片介紹那篇是說14歲??  大概是說原本的那種)


Phil Hughes, the Yankees’ top prospect, showed Mussina a similar grip one
day last spring training. Hughes had pitched after Mussina in an exhibition
game, and Mussina had noticed him struggling to command his curveball.

Hughes held his curveball just like Mussina’s, but with his index finger
brushing against his middle finger. He tried it Mussina’s way, with that
sliver of separation, and noticed a difference.

“It was a lot better,” Hughes said. “I’ve just kind of stuck with it, and
it’s really come a long way.”



Hughes跟Mussina一樣會丟那樣的Spike curve(他的曲球一直歸類在彈指曲)

但是Mussina發現了Hughes跟他稍微不同的地方

就是Hughes的食指跟中指會摩擦到  所以控制不是那麼好

Mussina叫Hughes把食指跟中指分開後

Hughes說:我天天考試都考一百分呢



所以Hughes不是被Mussina教一個新的球種

而是在原本的彈指曲球上做了一些改變


至於Spike curve是不是彈指曲

許多的網站是在Knuckle curve的別稱上加上Spike ball的

我想就握法跟類型上是可以歸類在Knuckle curve的

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推 rayen:可憐的葛雷諾 沒好球打
推 WillWaiting:另外不投滑球是NYY小聯盟對高中球員的要求
推 redsnipertd:那拿原本滑球當主力球種的就一定要重練另外的武器摟?
→ redsnipertd:萬一新的武器長不出來怎麼辦? 年紀到了再撿回滑球嗎?
推 WillWaiting:阿摘  就像一堆投手的武器球也一直在變呀
→ WillWaiting:http://tinyurl.com/25pfmx  這篇的第二頁講了一堆例
推 bozzio71:季初就有新聞Hughes要用單指曲球跟小王交換二縫線了
推 WillWaiting:那不是單指曲球啦~"~  單指曲是曲球握法但食指不碰球
推 bozzio71:http://0rz.tw/3a3lr應該是同一種球吧...還是我搞錯@@
推 Nasty:推will大好文一篇 這種專業的報導都找的到
→ Nasty:不過猴子也真可憐 全部都要丟極高不然又極低 XD
推 to1322:怎麼變成在討論穆跟大帝  Ian實在沒人愛
推 pieceofpaper:單指曲球？一個手指頭？囧
推 peterhuo:推啦
推 aresa:怎麼沒人推穆帥是好人，救小王又救休斯，比老火箭還感心
推 okaoka0709:     穆帥是好人，救小王又救休斯，比老火箭還感心
推 Jamesbang:Hughes說:我天天考試都考一百分呢           穆帥就甘心