Re: [洋基] Open Thread: The Xavier Nady debate

[chanli (chanli)]

有大大指正~
我稍微改一下, 免得誤會


※ 引述《appshjkli (Red Spider Lily)》之銘言：
:   http://0rz.tw/9c5gL
:   Posted by: Ben K. in Polls. Tagged: Xavier Nady
:   As the Yanks head into Spring Training, they may or may not have a roster
:   with too many outfielders for too few spaces. Johnny Damon is entrenched in
:   left field and the lead-off spot while Brett Gardner and Melky Cabrera will
:   seemingly battle it out for center field. In right, Nick Swisher and Xavier
:   Nady offer the Yanks a plethora of platoon options with Hideki Matsui as the
:   DH.
左外     Damon                當然人選
中外     Gardner/Cabrera      兩個小朋友去爭  (哈,ok不ok? 你說呢=.=)
右外     Swisher/Nady         再加上Matsui, 變化很多樣, DH會很擠



:   The Yanks could look to trade an outfielder. Damon wouldn’t — and probably
:   shouldn’t — be the one to go while no team would take on Hideki without a
:   guarantee that his knees could hold up. So that leaves Swisher and Nady as
:   the potential trade bait. Swisher had a seemingly poor 2008, but luck had a
:   big role in suppressing his numbers. He also has a better track record than
:   Nady.
洋基可以賣掉一個外野,
Damon表現優秀. 應該不會賣
松井的膝蓋傷, 賣相不好 (他還有NTC勒)

Swisher and Nady兩個賣相好很多!
前者在08年打得很爛, 但是運氣不會一直這麼背吧？
而且就紀錄上來說, Swisher比Nady來得好 (Nady今年算是career high)

:   But no one seems to generate more discussion than Nady as the Yanks shop
:   their outfielders. In answering some mail this week, Steve Goldman opined
:   about Nady:
:   What happened to the Yankees’ fondness of Xavier Nady? It seemed like when
:   they got him, the organization really liked him. But now they’re thinking of
:   trading him? Trading away a .305 AVG, 25 HR and 97 RBI from an offense that
:   had trouble scoring runs last year? Does that even make sense? –Tucker
:   It makes a ton of sense, Tucker, because Nady isn’t really a .305 hitter. In
:   his career, he’s been far closer to the hitter he cooled from his hot
:   pinstriped start, a .268/.320/.474 hitter. As far as corner outfield
:   production goes, it’s subpar. If Nick Swisher gets back on track this year,
:   he’ll get on base much closer to 40 percent of the time and show comparable
:   power. The value in Nady last season was that he was a huge in-season upgrade
:   on Melky Cabrera, who he displaced from the lineup by allowing Johnny Damon
:   to go back to center. That was a very nice move by Brian Cashman to staunch a
:   bleeding wound, but Nady isn’t someone a championship team plans on
:   starting.
在洋基眾外野中, Nady的詢問度最高
.305 AVG, 25 HR and 97 RBI
洋基真的要把他賣掉嗎？(這裡是討論...沒有褒貶意味)


Steve Goldman的說法：

        Nady在剛來紐約的火熱手感以後
        之後就冷掉了 (.268/.320/.474  這看起來像是個CF的表現)
        他並不是一個真正的三成打擊率的選手
        如果Nady09年還是在洋基, 他的上壘率會更向 .4 靠近

        上季Nady的表現就像是加強版的Melky Cabrera
        或許可以考慮讓Nady取代Cabrera, 然後Damon回到中外野
        (成為Nady/Damom/Swisher的外野陣容?)

        (這一段翻譯, 可以見下一篇的說法)

        無論如何, Nady並不是一隻要搶世界冠軍隊伍的首選

:   Meanwhile, one of the various Steve’s who read RAB wrote in with this take
:   on the X Man:
:   He’s one of the more misunderstood players on the Yanks, with many believing
:  “he had a fluke year” and “he’s a NL player,” both of which are
:   demonstrably false.
        Nady是個被洋基球迷誤解的選手
        許多人都認為他去年的表現是僥倖, 他只是個NL的選手 (這句我照翻喔,別問我)
        但這些都已經被證實是錯誤的

:   Check out the progression Nady has made over the past 5 years, especially vs
:   righties. (The numbers are BA/OBP/SLG/OPS.)
:   2004
:         AVG  OBP  SLG  OPS
:   vs R .178 .213 .311 .524
:   vs L .344 .417 .563 .979
:   2005
:   vs R .223 .270 .431 .700
:   vs L .323 .400 .452 .852
:   2006
:   vs R .263 .312 .424 .736
:   vs L .336 .418 .551 .969
:   2007
:   vs R .274 .322 .479 .802
:   vs L .295 .356 .463 .819
:   2008
:   vs R .317 .357 .529 .886
:   vs L .262 .361 .444 .805
:   He has steadily improved from being a platoon player who only hit lefties, to
:   one who hit righties better than lefties last season. Even if that was a peak
:   year for him, if he was to revert to his 2007 line he would still be a fine
:   everyday player and a good replacement for Abreu, especially when you factor
:   in his value as a (slightly better than league average) fielder, and Abreu
:   being the worst RF in the AL by most measures.
        Nady過去五年, 穩定的成長
        他面對左投表現比較好(去年情況剛好相反)

        他去年的確是生涯高峰
        但就算他回到07年的表現,
        他還是值得天天出賽, 而且是取代Abreu的好人選

        Nady是個(比聯盟平均稍微好一點)的外野手
        而Abreu的表現, 被認為是AL最糟糕的RF

:   Now to the AL/NL stuff:
:   2007
:   1st Half .291 .344 .504 .848
:   2nd Half .255 .303 .425 .728
:   2008
:   1st Half .321 .377 .525 .901
:   2nd Half .284 .333 .492 .825
:   The middling second half he had leads many Yankee fans to believe that he’s
:  “not an AL player,” but he actually had a similarly weak (.80 drop off in
:   OPS both years) 2nd half in 2007 in the NL, which could say something about
:   his conditioning or training regimen, but not the league. It’s also worth
:   noting that he only became a full time player in 2008 (607 PAs), he had about
:   500 PAs in 2007/2006 and 356 PAs in 2005. Again, he is progressing from a
:   platoon player to an everyday player.

:   So what will it be? Should the Yankees trade Xavier Nady? I’d be inclined to
:   keep him as a fourth outfielder, long his traditional role, and if Swisher
:   falters, they have a Plan B. He provides a lot of pop off the bench, and the
:   Yanks don’t need to trade him right now.
:   Let’s open the floor on this debate with an ever-popular poll, and feel free
:   to use this post as tonight’s open thread.
        洋基應該交易Nady嗎？
        或許可以把他留著當 4th OF
        他可以作為Swisher表現不好時的備案
        留著他對板凳強度有很大的提昇
        洋基不需要急著把他賣掉 (留著看有人想被搶 科科)




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我自己還滿喜歡Nady的

希望別被交易嘍 ~




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推 jeffhill:馬姿儀右外.......
推 richardcyl:關於Goldman那段你翻譯的內容有些問題....
推 redsnipertd:我覺得兩個小朋友超不ok的
推 yamatai:Nady 應該去換哪個位置來呢? 中外野，捕手還是RP?
推 jayin07:中外野最好
→ jayin07:RP我們有一堆......
→ OoyaoO:能換個可以站100場以上+打擊在平均以上的CF最好
→ OoyaoO:David Dejesus是我看一看覺得可交易機會最大的
推 namdoogmi:中外就大門吧，垃圾時間或比賽後段在叫小朋友吃局數
推 yamatai:KCR 有把Dejesus交易的意思嗎?
→ yamatai:這種便宜又好用的中外野手大家搶著要吧
推 redsnipertd:其實能弄個捕手來也不錯
推 jayin07:Dejesus站CF喔...
→ OoyaoO:我是認為有機會啦 因為他們剛交易了COCO這種守備好的CF過去
→ jayin07:Dejesus都快站不住CF了...
推 jayin07:不知道他今年是有傷還是怎樣...
推 roger744:中外     Gardner/Cabrera      兩個小朋友去爭很不ok
推 appshjkli:A-Jax能早日發揮他5-tool的潛力就不用煩惱這些了- -
→ OoyaoO:我是想說Dejesus約也到2010結束  A-jax目前好像不會在2010
→ OoyaoO:就上來 所以交易過來剛剛好XD 反正他們也缺便宜角落OF
推 meier0112:換Dejesus守CF,不如給Swisher守CF
→ meier0112:且皇家也不缺OF,除非他們GM又想收集球來就打的打者
→ rayven:松井只能擺DH跟板凳，叫他守備對球隊球迷跟他本身都是折磨
※ 編輯: chanli          來自: 140.114.56.230       (01/02 17:16)
→ chanli:兩個小朋友的表現不佳是事實  但也不可能一直不練他們
推 alphameric:Nady只是個NL的選手 (這句我照翻喔,別問我) XDDDDDDDDD
→ appshjkli:科科,不練他們？那兩個又不是像Hughes有ceiling有tool
→ appshjkli:何況你知道我們給了Melky多少給AB讓他來證明嗎？1438AB
→ appshjkli:最後只證明了Melky的打擊就是個4th OF
推 viro72:松井曾說過 不排斥被交易 所以NTC可以不用特別強調
推 jayin07:松井又貴又老又傷
→ jayin07:國聯沒有DH可以給他打
→ jayin07:假設他沒辦法打出他以前的水準，那美聯也不會找一個
→ jayin07:貴，但只有平均水準的DH來給自己找麻煩
→ jayin07:除了Full-NTC，有沒有人要還是另外一回事
→ jayin07:不然就是吃薪水
推 GDBS:市場上有Dunn,Giambi,Abreu等 貴了點但打得較好還能上場守備
→ GDBS:應該等這些FA都簽完了才可能有人考慮Matsui吧 雖然還是不容易
推 meier0112:Pat Burrell又被遺忘了,至少也是30HR100BB阿XD
推 djcc:Gardner/Cabrera可以丟了 OF留Swisher/Nady/Damon跟松井足以
→ appshjkli:啊,是還不用丟當替補還可以;但是要先發的話就免了