Re: The Mysterious Disappearing Joba

[kimifort (奇米堡)]

※ 引述《abc12812 ()》之銘言：
: http://www.baseballdailydigest.com/blogs/2009/06/14/the-mysterious-disappearing-joba/
: It wasn’t too long ago that all we heard was “Joba, Joba, Joba.” You couldn
: ’t turn on ESPN without them drooling over the thick-bodied young righty and
: how good he was and how much better he was going to be. Then a funny thing
: happened. Joba stopped being Joba.
: Before we dive into looking at what is wrong with Joba Chamberlain, let’s
: take a look at my scouting report I wrote on him in the spring of 2008:
不久前ESPN上還在天天Joba！Joba！Joba的鬼叫並告訴你未來這個胖胖的年輕右投－
Joba會多好多強大，然而美夢不過三個月，Joba不再威風八面。讓我們在深入探討
原因前，先看看我在2008年寫的球探報告。
（搞錯敘述對象 修改一下）

: Pitch Repertoire
:     * Fastball: Chamberlain is a power pitcher with a big frame whose
:       fastball sits in the mid to upper-90’s and occasionally hits triple
:       digits. He also has very good control of his fastball and is able to
:       locate it anywhere in the zone. This also helps set up his slew of
:       secondary pitches.
:     * Change-up: Chamberlain has been working on improving his change-up and
:       it is getting better with time. As of now it is sitting in the low-80’s
:       and is lacking enough movement to make it a stand out pitch. It is
:       effective enough of a pitch to incorporate into his game plan but it will
:       take more work to be a solid major league pitch.
:     * Curveball: Chamberlain doesn’t use his curve too much for a couple of
:       reasons. For one it’s not nearly as good as his fastball or slider which
:       he predominantly uses coming out of the bullpen. Secondly it just isn’t
:       that effective of a pitch for him yet as he doesn’t have reliable
:       control over it. It is more of a slow looping curve that generally sits
:       between 79-82 mph. This approach is ok during his time in the bullpen
:       when a dominating fastball and hard slider will work great, but he may
:       want to fine tune it a little more before joining the Yankees rotation.
:     * Slider: Chamberlain’s other dominating pitch is his plus slider. It
:       sits in the neighborhood of 85-89 mph and is used just as much (and
:       effectively) as his fastball. As a power pitcher, Chamberlain uses his
:       hard slider as his strikeout pitch as he keeps it low in the zone and
:       constantly over matches hitters as they swing and miss. When he has it
:       working it is a simply devastating pitch that even if you know it is
:       coming is almost impossible to hit.
使用球種

快速球：球速有90中～90上，偶爾可以破百。Command和Control也很好。對他的第
        二球種相當有幫助。
變速球：Joba變速球品質與時俱增，目前球速有80下但幅度仍不足以成為一個出色
        的球種。用在比賽中依然有成效，但需要更加努力。
曲球：因為幾個原因他不常用。1、這不如他在牛棚時期用的速球及滑球出色。2、
      control不夠好。他的曲球是在80前後的慢速曲球，這對牛棚時期的他當然ok，
      但要在洋基先發陣容中，則需再加強。
滑球：灰熊棒。80中到80上而且跟速球一樣常用（而且有用）。常作為決勝球，而進
      壘位置，也能造成許多空振。

: Pitcher’s Makeup
:     * Delivery: Chamberlain grades very high when it comes to his delivery
:       despite the fact that it at times can seem a bit violent. But anytime you
:       have a pitcher trying to hit triple digits on the gun you are going to
:       see some sort of effort put into it. Chamberlain’s strong frame and
:       powerful legs are used very prevalently in his delivery which is where he
:       generates his dominating stuff.
:     * Mechanics: While Chamberlain has a very good delivery, he does have a
:       little room for improvement in his mechanics. The real test will be when
:       he moves from the bullpen to the rotation and has to go 6 or 7 innings
:       versus one or two.
:     * Big Game Factor: Chamberlain is perfect to pitch in a big time city
:       like New York for a big time team like the Yankees. It has been said
:       numerous times that he has ice water running through his veins and has
:       shown it coming down the stretch run last season.
化妝技巧

粉底：上很多...                                           啊！抱歉弄錯了！
Delivery：灰熊棒，但感覺有點粗暴，雖然很多power型投手都是這樣的，而Joba的
          確因此能投出高球速。
Mechanics：跟Delivery和先發牛棚的差異比起來有待加強
霸氣！！！！！：吼～～～～

: As you can see he has all the makings to be a true stud pitcher for the
: Yankees. So now let’s take a look at a few of the signs (other than horrible
: stat lines) that Chamberlain just hasn’t been the same pitcher he once was.
: For starters, Chamberlain’s once electric fastball that consistently was
: hitting 97 mph and above is now lucky to reach 93 mph. Take a look at the two
: PitchFX graphs courtesy of BrooksBaseball.net.


好吧！Why is Joba not Joba now？以前隨隨便便都97現在偶爾才能93？看看
BrooksBaseball.net做的PitchFX比較分析。（這部份都不翻譯）


: July 25, 2008
: June 12, 2009
: The first chart is against the Red Sox from July 25 of last year. As you can
: see his fastball was sizzling throughout a game in which he went seven
: innings, gave up zero runs, three hits and struck out nine. But then when you
: compare it to his last start against the Mets in which he threw 100 pitches
: through only four innings of work, you can see he wasn’t in the upper 90’s,
: but rather in the low 90’s. This also made his slider less effective as the
: difference in velocity wasn’t there as it once was.
: Speaking of Chamberlain’s slider, that too has been a huge issue for him.
: Once his unhittable out pitch, it has now become flat and much more
: ineffective. Take a look at the PitchFX graphs from the same games and see
: how they compare.
: July 25, 2008
: June 12, 2009
: Look what a huge difference there is in the vertical movement of his slider.
: Last season the drop was sudden and severe. This season is sort of lazily
: hangs there with no real bite. Up until this season his slider was considered
: a “plus-plus” pitch which made him incredibly dominant when combined with
: his upper 90’s heat. But with neither one of those pitches to reach back for
: when he needs it, it’s no wonder he’s struggling so much to pitch deep into
: games.



: Now we know what the issues are but we still don’t know why. There’s no
: logical reason a 22-year old stud should all of a sudden lose his velocity
: that much and forget how to throw his devastating slider. This leads me to
: believe one of two things. Either it’s a.) he’s injured or b.) it’s his
: mechanics.
ok！我們發現有問題了但不知道為什麼。這聽起來很不合理，他才22歲，球速就突
然消失了，他突然忘記怎麼丟災難滑球了。這只有兩種可能
a.他受傷了
b.他的mechanics有問題

: I’ll scrap the injury part right away because there is no way the Yankees
: would be trotting out the man who was anointed their future savior if he was
: injured. Especially the way they keep him on such a short leash with pitch
: counts. This option just doesn’t make sense.
暫時不考慮傷痛問題，一來洋基不可能坐視不管，二來洋基也保護的十分周到。
（忘記是簡譯 用了代名詞 囧>）

: I have spent a lot of time scouting and analyzing Chamberlain the past couple
: of seasons. My initial analysis of Chamberlain this past spring and early on
: in the year is that he wasn’t pitching the same as he did in the past. He is
: a mess right now with his delivery. Here’s what I have most notably seen:
我花了很多時間研究，發現問題是在他的delivery，以下是幾個明顯的地方：

:     * He isn’t tucking his front shoulder in causing his shoulder to fly
:       open.
:     * That in turn is messing up his arm action which hasn’t been consistent
:       all season.
:     * When he rears back to throw his slider his arm is trailing behind him
:       too much which is why his slider isn’t coming out of his hand properly
:       and generating as much spin causing it to be flat.
:     * Then to finish things off he isn’t landing with ease anymore as he
:       plants his foot. His leg is locking up as he lands causing his body to
:       not give a full follow through.
* 肩膀沒收好
* 前述的影響到他的手臂
* 當他收回姿勢要投滑球時手沒跟上身體太多
* 投完球之後腳好像釘著了

: Those are the main pieces as to why his mechanics are currently messed up.
: Now these things aren’t happening consistently with every single pitch, but
: it is happening enough to where it is severely affecting his performance.
姿勢出錯的地方影響很大

: The Yankees how have a huge dilemma on their hands. They have a pitcher who
: is lucky to give them 5 or 6 innings each time he takes the mound as a
: starter (and still hits the 100 pitch mark). This isn’t just inconvenient as
: a “superstar” pitcher, it also kills their bullpen which has enough
: problems as it is.
投了一百球還是只能撐五局，牛棚都被Joba殺光光了。

: Based on all of this, I’d say the Yankees have no option but to put Joba
: back in the bullpen. It has been the only place he has consistently been
: effective and he seems to be so much happier out there. New York needs that
: intensity back. They need the “Joba Rules” back. Maybe, just maybe, a
: return to the bullpen is just what he needs to get himself back on track. If
: Joba can’t find his velocity he is in some pretty big trouble as he doesn’t
: have the accuracy to be a control pitcher. He needs the gas and the hard
: slider in order to be an effective major league pitcher.
放回牛棚並重訂Joba Rule！這是洋基唯一的辦法了！

: And in New York who knows how long his leash will be before they move onto
: someone else.
到底還要保護多久？Who knows？


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◆ From: 140.119.135.118
※ 編輯: kimifort        來自: 140.119.135.118      (06/15 20:21)
→ dreambreaken:拜託趕快把投教炒掉好不好
推 SKY760508:感覺投教越來越黑了
推 realestate:投教難道是牛棚投手丘後方的人型立牌?
推 gerkk:跟小王之前一樣球速降了四賣
推 milerful:真的不知道Eiland到底有什麼貢獻 = =
→ FlyFreedom:生涯12勝27敗ERA 5.74的貢獻
推 selfloss:原文沒有說「espn的肥佬」吧？(　ﾟдﾟ)
抱歉
我不太會用google翻譯功能
搞錯敘述對象了  囧rz
→ saew:投教自己快走一走吧!!
推 ferrarii:投手教練黑到發紫了~~~
推 baby005:才22歲不進步反而退步 傷害很大
推 jayin07:咳，Eiland換了位置換了腦袋
→ jayin07:不要忘了Hughes和Joba在大聯盟之前也都是Eiland帶的...
推 newgunden:所以他們一直站不穩，蠻合理的.....
推 jayin07:是喔
→ jayin07:Hughes第一年丟得還不錯，第二年受傷
→ jayin07:Joba前兩年一直都很有宰制力
※ 編輯: kimifort        來自: 140.119.135.118      (06/15 21:22)
推 MRHAUNG:技窮??
推 arlen721024:Hughes第一年的教練是古椎吧?然後去年換Eiland後大炸.
推 LV2008:投教又中槍了  　　這個投教真不討喜阿
→ saew:請問有可能季中就換投教的可能嗎?!!
→ DLCSEA:Eiland以前是3A Hughes Joba IPK帶的
→ DLCSEA:打錯 Hughes Joba IPK以前在3A是Eiland帶的
→ DLCSEA:他是不是沒法與其他非他帶出來投手好好相處?感覺他有些嚴肅
推 FlyFreedom:有種為了一棵樹放棄整座森林的感覺
推 noahlin:Joba 3A根本沒待多久養得出來跟Eiland無關吧
→ noahlin:IPK跟Hughes也沒證明能在MLB等級生存 不覺得他功勞多大
推 siliver:先去看一下Hughes在MLB的成績再來說能不能生存好咩.
推 viro72:Hughes早就證明能在大聯盟立足啦 只是還沒達到大家的期望
→ dreambreaken:大帝本來就認為很有前途了，跟他有甚麼關係，難道每
→ dreambreaken:個牆頭會成功都是教練很強?如果這樣薪水應該是教練
推 jayin07:既然這樣想的話，那需要教練幹嘛，靠天份打就好啦
→ dreambreaken:最高，看今年除了cc幾乎都出狀況了
→ jayin07:反正球員有天份，教練碰不碰、改不改都沒差啊。
→ dreambreaken:主要是輔助，問題是他輔助在哪裡?
→ jayin07:我一開始說了換了位置換了腦袋
→ jayin07:近年來可以冒出這麼多投手可以用，幾乎都是Eiland帶出來的
→ dreambreaken:所以最適合他的位置就是乖乖回3a阿
→ jayin07:好嗎？說的好像他對洋基一點貢獻都沒有一樣
→ dreambreaken:他不回3a以後怎麼有好投手
推 viro72:這句倒是中肯..XD  他不回3A以後怎麼有好投手?
推 mjworld:說不定，目前根本沒備用人選，不論是農場系統或外面
推 FlyFreedom:不是沒有，只是面子掛不住...
→ kimifort:中入伸 ˊvˋ
推 Minamii:郭泰源 球員時期表現佳 很愛操 跟Girardi應該合得來
→ yichenglee:devastating意思不是指有威力(破壞力)的嗎?
推 montrachet:大帝這個封號是誰取的啊?
→ appshjkli:PTT鄉民
推 TeddyWu:把投教拿去作雞精吧~~!!
推 tlw0709:有這麼多投手可以用 是他帶出來的沒錯 但站穩的咧?
→ tlw0709:怎麼一下說教練影響投手不大 現在又說投球不能靠天份
推 ZMTL:我的印象是國外鄉民就是了，之前(去年?)有討論過
推 jayin07:投手這種東西，要養出來可以站穩很難耶-_-
→ jayin07:04年那批"MLB" Top 50 Pitching Prospects站穩僅2成耶
推 viro72:未看先猜 傷一半 那年是不是貓兒第一 小曹第二?
推 rainingdayz:灰熊棒XD
推 jamesch:王的球速已經回來八成了喔，小張應該也會回升啦
推 viro72:可以飆到95上下 已經恢復9成以上了 小張我看應該是為了先發
→ viro72:的調整 所做的配速 並不期望他先發飆100麥
推 ZMTL:王的問題不只球速..
推 Moscom:別仰賴google翻出來了...翻譯機翻出來的都不怎麼樣
推 danny789:其實 Eiland 是派來的臥底 ...