[討論] Who's the MVP ?

[Robbins (Pathology)]

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I was watching a game recently when the broadcasters began a discussion of
possible American League MVP candidates and Dustin Pedroia’s name was brought
up in a serious manner. I was a little floored by the notion. Do not get me
wrong, Pedroia is a fine player and a great asset to the Red Sox, but MVP?
No. There are several factors as to why not.


First, and this is a giant one, park factors. Fenway Park is a playground for
right-handed pull hitters ramping up the amount of singles and doubles hitters
get because of the green monster. Guess what Pedroia is? In fact, it is such a
huge influence that Pedroia’s park-adjusted wOBA is a whopping 11 points
below his un-adjusted number.


Secondly, there is defensive position to consider. Yes, Pedroia plays second
base, a tough position to play, but as Tango’s positional adjustments show,
second base is behind catcher, shortstop, centerfield and is tied with (and
this is important) third base.



Finally, we have the actual offensive production. Pedroia is good, yes I
admit as much and his play at second base only helps, but there are just far
better candidates for the MVP when you consider everything listed above. Joe
Mauer has been better with the bat, plays a much tougher position and even
works better under the whole “valuable, not best” argument because without
Mauer there’s no way the Twins are in the playoff hunt while without Pedroia,
the Red Sox are still very good. Not to mention that Joe Mauer is tops in the
AL in WPA. Staying in the Central division, Grady Sizemore and Curtis
Granderson are two excellent centerfielders who both have been more valuable
with the bat and glove than Pedroia.


Pedroia ranks 18th in the AL in WPA/LI and it’s in that list that we find
yet another worthy candidate who seems to be going overlooked, Alex
Rodriguez. Rodriguez plays a credible third base so he gets the same
defensive credit as Pedroia, but his bat just dominates everyone in the AL.
Again going by wOBA, Rodriguez has been worth over five more runs than any
other player has and most of the ones near him are DHs or corner outfielders.
For best hitter in the AL this season so far, it comes down to one choice,
Alex Rodriguez.


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國聯的 MVP 人選似乎不太需要討論，因為某人實在是太猛了。XD

這篇文章的底下有蠻多討論的，有時間不仿看看。


截取一段回應出來：

A-Rod may not be on the top of the charts in WPA, but he is in WPA/LI. And
since the year-to-year correlation of Clutch (WPA-WPA/LI) is .01 for the
players with 300+ PA in both 06 and 07.



AND A-ROD IS … (as of Sept. 7)

1st in AL in VORP
1st in AL in MLV
1st in AL in GPA
2nd in AL in OPS (Milton Bradley)
2nd in AL in RARP (Grady Sizemore)
2nd in AL in RC/27 (Milton Bradley)
3rd in AL in wOBA (Carlos Quentin and Milton Bradley)
4th in AL in WPA/LI (Milton Bradley, Carlos Quentin, Aubrey Huff)

That puts him roughly even with Bradley and ahead of all else.

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只看打擊成績而言，A-Rod 在大部分的貢獻數據中，幾乎都是排在前三名。


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→ kim:但是洋基進不了季後賽......他就失利了啊
→ Robbins:洋基隊的戰績當然是 A-Rod 的劣勢。
→ OoyaoO:他的表現沒像去年這麼扯蛋  球隊的戰績會影響的
→ OoyaoO:我在想如果Lee真的拿到25勝  那MVP會不會是他
推 luckyland:去年的成績根本是兩個以上的大聯盟球員的成績累計，超猛
→ Robbins:印地安人隊戰績不佳，加上有 Sizemore 在，Lee 的機會不高
推 ckbaboon:Lee沒意外應該是賽揚吧...鬼神數據阿
推 subcrew02:進季後賽拿MVP機會比較高嗎？萬一在小市場球隊 可是卻有
→ subcrew02:鬼神般的成績不就很幹了？！
→ Robbins:BBWAA 認為有無進季後賽是一個考慮因素，除非你的成績傲視
→ Robbins:全聯盟，不然沒進季後賽還蠻傷的。
→ OoyaoO:如果可以打出04Bonds般的成績 那有沒有進季後賽應該沒差XD
推 j094097:感覺MVP只是一種爽度
推 zwchih:其實Lee很有機會吧 成績的確傲視大聯盟啊
推 subcrew02:Lee如果連勝到季末 MVP應該滿有機會的!!
推 leewatch:A-ROD在遊騎兵的最後一年好像就是MVP但球隊沒進季後賽
推 CGary:打者不要太差的狀況下, 投手很難有機會拿 MVP 的...
推 JoshBeckeet:我覺得也不要太忽視A.Huff!!!感覺他會爆冷門
→ JoshBeckeet:Huff再打個九隻 HR 打點數再增加18 就40+ 120+了
推 pikachu123:之前有救援投手拿MVP是怎樣= =,打者也太混了
推 CGary:Dennis Eckersley 拿 MVP 那年打者的確不怎樣啊..XD
→ Robbins:未來幾場不知道會有什麼變化，不過目前而言 Huff 明顯還比
→ Robbins:不上 A-Rod，Huff 的球隊戰績也是墊底。至於現在猜誰會爆
→ Robbins:冷門除了丟硬幣之外，也沒有什麼合理的猜測。
推 pikachu123:Rollie Fingers 拿MVP 那年打者也蠻鳥的
→ Robbins:當然有人不希望 A-Rod 拿到也是蠻合理的，不然光就目前的
→ Robbins:『個人成績』而言，我不知道美聯還有誰的成績比 A-Rod好。
→ mightymouse:今年不能說是打者鳥,而是最猛的幾個球隊戰績都不夠好
推 pikachu123:有喔 DL男Milton BraDLey
推 JoshBeckeet:A-rod的打點還要在加油 MVP滿注重打點的
→ Robbins:那 Pujols 怎麼辦？又不是只看打點...
→ JoshBeckeet:噗猴子 他的打擊率太驚人啦!
推 Darvish816:A-ROD出賽場次因為受傷所以不夠多 打點當然也變少囉
推 hergan:GOD當MVP根本沒啥好異議
推 JoshBeckeet:老實說 我也是這樣想
推 IronChef:請問有沒有PTT神人比PECOTA+ZIPS還要准的八卦?
推 redsnipertd:大仙開口了，汝等無知小民休得無理
推 j094097:有大仙 快拜
推 zwchih:那Hamilton勒
推 m50blue:好像是下半季冷掉
推 papazzz:Pedro都拿不到MVP了，Lee拿真的很沒天理
推 Tomince:rod哥趕快最後爆氣一下吧!!
推 siliver:反正還有20場,也沒有季後賽的壓力了,全力灌成績吧 XD