精華區beta NY-Yankees 關於我們 聯絡資訊
最近在板上翻了兩篇Hughes投球機制的文章, 也把一些網站上球評的意見轉給大家看, 但看到板上對Hughes的討論, 實在令人搖頭, 有必要這麼嚴苛嗎? 看看以下這篇新聞吧! 重點: 這次的先發真的是洋基隊Hughes的麻煩嗎? 1. 近幾年對上紅襪投得不是很好的洋基選手, 就像芬威的Citgo標誌一般令人容易想起 的不名譽名單, 就包括了Jeff Karstens, Jose Contrera及Chase Wright, 另外則是  像Tim Redding如一場災難的那些名不見經傳的球員。(Citgo sign的典故可以自己 google一下) 2. Phil Hughes昨晚只投了三局即被換下場並以8比5輸給紅襪之後, 也上到了這個名單上 了。 這並不意味他會像其他這些先發投手逐漸失去光釆, 甚至連這樣的一點的意思都 沒有。但的確顯示出本季過去這段時間, 大家是如何對Hughes和洋基其他的年輕投手 作預期和事實之間的檢驗。 3. 每個人都免不了過度要求這些洋基的選手。球迷, 媒體甚至高階人員, 諸如Hank Steinbrenner。很少人的眼裡還認為他們是年輕的球員-就更不用說負擔更重的投 手了,既然他們是關鍵位置的球員,自然就認為他們就必須表現得跟資深的球員完全 一樣。即使他們不算是有經驗的球員也不能除外。Hughes昨晚首度遭遇紅襪隊時才只 有21歲,從24年前19歲的先發投手Jose Rijo以來, 他是在這個球場先發最年輕的洋基 投手。能讓這個年紀的球員, 在這麼多目光的注意下還能夠全身而退的唯一的理由, 就是他必須是一個完全不同的動物(或許必須是超級賽亞人)。 4. Ian Kennedy本季投得也有些差錯, 當然他還會有更多的問題,張伯倫目前是穩定的好 表現,但總有一天在某些時候他也會出現跌跌撞撞的情況。 5. 這當然不是為Hughes昨晚投出的成績找藉口,絕對不是這樣。只是對他的批評也太過 份了點, 大家都基於某些的理由總是對Hughes設了非常高的期待。可能是他在小聯盟 時的宰制能力,也或許他去年對上游擊兵隊時投出接近完美的比賽,在6又1/3局的投 球讓對手一支安打也打不出去,直到他的腿筋拉傷改變了他整個球季的狀況。或許就 是因為這樣, 他必須讓自己比同年紀的年輕人變得更成熟,但別忘了他不過是一個最 近才能夠合法地為自己買一瓶啤酒的大男孩。 6. 同樣地,他也被很多人認為他進到大聯盟可以穩當地甚至很容易地拿下15勝, 也是玩 夢幻球隊的人想要爭相簽下的對象,但現在很多人卻是對他搖頭歎息失望透頂。在目 光聚焦人群簇擁下, Hughes開季在洋基球場投得相當好,但之後這兩次的先發卻投得很 糟。Hughes表示: "現在是球季之初這樣的狀況也預期會出現,只是你就是不希望會連 續兩場出現這樣的狀況。" 7. 在Hughes成長的過程中一直是紅襪的球迷,他到Rhode Island拜訪他的祖父母時有時 也去芬威球場看比賽。週日站在狹窄的客場球員休息室裡,他被問到他對這古老的芬   威球場的感覺時表示: "我還小的時候覺得它非常的酷,但現在進到它的球員休息室裡 ...感覺卻不太是那麼一回事。" 8 人們不關心這個,可能只會去想像在他只投了兩局多就被轟了七分(六分自責分)之後, 會對這球場產生什麼樣的感想。他對15個打者投了65球,每局都讓首位上場的球員上壘, 最後一局裡投了四個人次卻連一個出局數都拿不到,便被換了下場。 9. 實際上,Hughes原本連第一局都投不完,當Hughes對上Varitek時,Giardi已經讓Ross Ohlendorf開始熱身,那時球數是3壞0好,最後Hughes讓Varitek看著球被三振。 10. 但是整場比賽完全都是他的錯嗎? 當然不是。如果不是Molina投出一個爆投,同時又   漏接了一球,如果不是洋基的打者對上狀況不佳5局投了117球的松阪大輔,卻無法讓 他受到更大的傷害,這些狀況如果不是同時發生事情恐怕也不會這麼糟。 11. 但大部份的錯還是出在Hughes身上,只是他的情況還不是像一年前的Chase Wright 那樣簡直是一場災難-這位已經被大家遺忘的左投手,被紅襪連續四位打者轟出全壘 打。Hughes的情況還不是糟到接近這種狀況。只是他的情況沒有多好看,跟洋基所要   的差距實在太遠, 這仍然是那種Hughes必須想辦法忘掉的一個記憶。 12. 這只是三場先發, 現在只是四月, 還只是剛開始, 洋基會這麼說而且這也是事實。 Hughes本季最後還是會變成我們所要的那樣,只是昨晚的表現跟我們的期望還差得遠 呢! Is this the start of trouble for Yankees' Hughes? By Sam Borden ‧ Journal News columnist ‧ April 14, 2008 BOSTON - The list of Yankees pitchers who have been lit up like the Citgo sign at Fenway Park in recent years is not a particularly auspicious one: Jeff Karstens, Jose Contreras and Chase Wright come to mind, along with other more anonymous trainwrecks like Tim Redding. Phil Hughes goes on the list now, too, after failing to make it out of the third inning of last night's 8-5 loss to the Red Sox. It doesn't mean he's going to fade away like those other starters, doesn't mean that at all. It does mean it's past time for a reality check on what can fairly be expected from Hughes and the other young Yankee pitchers this season. Everyone is guilty of jumping ahead with these Yankees. Fans, media and even top executives such as Hank Steinbrenner. It is rare to see young players - let alone pitchers - in such crucial positions for the Yankees, so the natural inclination is to expect them to perform like the veterans who came before them. Except they're not veterans. Hughes was 21 when he took the ball last night for his first-ever start against the Red Sox. He was the youngest Yankees pitcher to start in this ballpark since 19-year-old Jose Rijo did it 24 years ago, and there is a reason that pitchers of that age rarely step into the harsh glare of this rivalry unscathed. It is a different animal. Ian Kennedy has been erratic already this season and will almost surely have more troubles; Joba Chamberlain has been consistently good, but even he figures to stumble at some point along the way. This isn't supposed to be an excuse for last night because Hughes was brutal. No way around it. But it stung a little more because Hughes, for some reason, had always felt a little bit more like a given. Maybe it was the minor-league domination or maybe it was the near-perfect game last year in Texas, the one where he was untouchable for 6 1/3 innings until a hamstring pull ended his night and derailed much of his season, too. Maybe it's just the way he carries himself with more maturity than the average person who only recently became legal to buy himself beer. Either way, Hughes always felt like the safer bet, like the one who was going to step into the majors and succeed right away. He was someone you talked about in terms of getting 15 wins, easy. He was someone you hoped to draft for your fantasy team. So far, there has been a lot of head-shaking with Hughes. A lot of eyes to the ground. A lot of walking around the mound. There was a solid opening start at Yankee Stadium, but then two awful ones, first in Kansas City and now last night's debacle in the Fens. "It's early in the year and it's going to happen," Hughes said. "You just don't like it to happen in back-to-back starts." Growing up, Hughes was part of a Red Sox family who visited grandparents in Rhode Island and made occasional trips to Fenway. Standing in the middle of the cramped visitors' clubhouse on Saturday, he was asked what he thought of the ancient ballpark and he said, "I thought it was really cool when I was young (but) now that I'm in this clubhouse ... not as much." One can only imagine how he feels about the field itself after getting knocked around for seven runs (six earned) and six hits in just two-plus innings. He threw 65 pitches to 15 batters. He put the leadoff man on base in each inning. He got pulled after failing to record an out through four hitters in his final frame. In truth, Hughes nearly didn't make it out of the first. Manager Joe Girardi had Ross Ohlendorf warming up as Hughes labored against Jason Varitek, already trailing 3-0, before finally getting the Boston catcher to strike out looking. Was it all his fault? It wasn't. Not when catcher Jose Molina makes a wild throw to second and has a passed ball, too, and not when the Yankees' hitters can't do more against Sox starter Daisuke Matzuzaka, who needed 117 pitches to get through five innings himself and probably would have gone to a full count if Wally the Green Monster had happened to stumble into the batter's box. It's still mostly on Hughes. He wasn't as much of a disaster as Wright was nearly one year ago, when the forgettable lefty served up home runs to four consecutive hitters. Hughes wasn't nearly as bad as that. It was still ugly. It was still nothing close to what the Yankees needed. It was still the kind of memory that Hughes will want to forget. It's only three starts. It's only April. It's only the beginning, the Yankees will say, and all of those things are true. In the end, Hughes may well end up being everything we expected this season. He just wasn't anywhere close to being it last night. Reach Sam Borden at sborden@lohud.com. -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 220.132.198.21
appshjkli:大概有人認為每個年輕新秀上來都要像Predo一樣殺才正常 04/15 01:19
larcenciely:推~翻譯辛苦了 現在還是四月中而已 給大帝一點時間吧 04/15 01:21
appshjkli: Pedro 04/15 01:22
birdy590:可見小王第一戰投到那樣有多困難 04/15 01:23
eric2003002:大推阿...........Hughes加油! 04/15 01:24
CKnightalker:其實Wang之前對紅襪也不是說很好,應該比較像有一場沒 04/15 01:24
htcheng:you mean Pedro? 04/15 01:26
zzchen:我是覺得起碼要撐到5局啦 不然每次都這樣牛棚真的燒很爽= = 04/15 01:26
eric2003002:樓上...你去投投看??? 04/15 01:28
poqwer:推~ 其實他還年輕的~ 04/15 01:28
Tyrone:有人放大絕XD 04/15 01:30
eric2003002:是我放大絕的嗎XD 04/15 01:30
finhard:不過王之前對紅襪再慘還是都有撐到5、6局 04/15 01:30
finhard:休斯還年輕,調整時間多的很,以後會變殺的 04/15 01:31
※ 編輯: leddy 來自: 220.132.198.21 (04/15 01:33)
kevin75218:洋基王朝之 農場養成年(誤) 04/15 01:35
ppc:今年是農場年(爆) 04/15 01:36
l26921216:洋基變溫馨了...以前都是拿去換大物的說..其實Hughes投 04/15 01:38
l26921216:不好 被批是難免的 畢竟有機會拿去換山塔那 04/15 01:40
l26921216:不是不願意養新人 而是以這樣的SP 能否進入季後賽 04/15 01:41
l26921216:都已經被看輕了 加上最近打線一直發揮不出來(DET也很慘) 04/15 01:42
l26921216:看到這樣的戰績 Hughes 難免就被放大觀看討論 04/15 01:45
birdy590:以最近的得分狀況, 就算 Santana 來投也有可能會很痛苦 04/15 01:45
birdy590:好像沒有哪一場不是苦戰的, 就算贏分數常常也咬的很緊 04/15 01:46
l26921216:不過才開打沒幾場 希望Hughes突然的猛起來 ^^" 04/15 01:46
JessicaA1ba: V少年剛上大聯盟時 幾乎每次先發都爆 老虎照樣給他練 04/15 01:56
birdy590:不要變的像 Greinke 那樣就好(我想應該不至於) 04/15 01:59
JessicaA1ba:整年 當然那也是老虎當時是大爛隊的關係 04/15 01:59
birdy590:那個真的是 rush 的太離譜, 爆到自己的信心都磨光了 04/15 02:00
JessicaA1ba:大弟去年對條子的好投 去年季後賽的一場不錯的表現 仍 04/15 02:01
opie:可能溝通沒做好吧,暴投兩次,捕手又上來溝通兩次 04/15 02:02
JessicaA1ba:是讓人對他有信心 實力就是在那裡 總有一天會出凸來的 04/15 02:02
opie:當時感覺像是業餘比賽= =,還記得有版友推:職業是這樣玩的嗎? 04/15 02:03
nytime:其實我一直覺得休斯這場沒那麼糟,當然就內容來看是不好,但 04/15 02:12
linkfoot:Hughes有滿滿的愛.. 04/15 02:13
nytime:也讓人看到了他的曲球幅度之大和之前一直回不來的球速,我覺 04/15 02:12
nytime:得他還是值得期待,而且年輕跟天份是最大的本錢 04/15 02:13
nytime:只要信心不被打垮,我相信他還是大有可為的 04/15 02:18
raygod:練練 反正今年FA可以補SP 04/15 02:19
opie:我覺得他太早被拉上來了,20歲被拉上來,心理可能不夠成熟 04/15 02:21
serenatw:表現差就是表現差還要替他想一堆理由......... 04/15 02:22
Tzylu:Hughes加油,給他時間,那樣的stuff沒道理投不出成績. 04/15 02:22
opie:如果當時時間點他能完成一年建立了信心,今日也許大不同 04/15 02:22
serenatw:有滿滿愛的人果然待遇不同..... 04/15 02:24
opie:可是對一個21歲投手,他現在的心理成熟度可能跟不上信心重建速 04/15 02:23
opie:度,令人擔心如果他再不振,會有骨牌效應 04/15 02:25
opie:簡單來說,崩的還比建的快,那結果就可能不是很樂觀 04/15 02:26
opie:所以他接下來表現很重要 04/15 02:27
lisungyu:"如果不是Molina投出一個爆投" 04/15 02:30
merquise:Greinke 本來還好,是當時投教硬去改他的投球姿勢才開始 04/15 02:39
merquise:爆炸的.. 04/15 02:39
greengreen42:Greinke是得焦慮症吧 後來回AAA調整就好了 04/15 02:45
opie:有沒有美國人改姿勢就變強的八卦? 04/15 02:50
birdy590:打球始終要有點樂趣在才行, 一直遭受打擊任誰也受不了 04/15 02:51
Godzilla28:大家說的是kc 的zack greinke嗎? 他今年開季可猛的 04/15 04:34
Godzilla28: 2勝0敗 0.6era IP:15 H:12 可猛的~~ 04/15 04:37
kauw:用戰積換新秀成長 又要花高薪留老將..到底為何? 04/15 04:58
CCfss: NoMaas對大帝真是很善良 換別人早就被酸到爆炸了 04/15 05:15
iluy:耐心是什麼 可以吃麼 04/15 05:32
aegis144: Hughes怎麼說也才大四的年紀.. 04/15 10:16
ninini:去年井川花了這麼多錢買來 結果過了一季還是不穩還是有很多 04/15 11:17
ninini:人期待他 而Hughes卻可以被酸成這樣...強如King Felix也不 04/15 11:17
ninini:是一上來就馬上站穩的啊 更何況Hughes中間還受過傷 04/15 11:19
ninini:Wang當然是很好的王牌 但是他21歲的時候伸卡球都不知道學 04/15 11:20
ninini:好了沒 不要因為媒體說Hughes會威脅Wang的Ace地位就臭酸他 04/15 11:21
loveyourself:不同意樓上最後一句話...跟王哪有關係 = = 04/15 11:32
ninini:我應該是要回應15599的 04/15 11:54
evangelew:輸球不打緊誰都會輸 但重點是球速沒了就對他未來的期待 04/15 12:51
evangelew:減少很多 04/15 12:53
ckyuzi:Hughes會威脅王的地位 你在作夢嗎? 04/15 12:54
henk:年輕投手沒球速會很恐怖... 04/15 12:55
evangelew:沒有球速的他 未來是不會變成大家我想的大帝 04/15 12:54
evangelew:即使年輕有本錢 所以先恢復球速最重要 04/15 12:57
irenehuang15:找到一個好投手真的是嗆司嗆司 04/15 13:17
ninini:事實上他本來就不是火球男實戰差不多93 94 而且他的球速在 04/15 13:23
ninini:這季先發也漸漸出來 04/15 13:24
ninini:季初有媒體預測開季1號擺的是Hughes而不是Wang就有人開始神 04/15 13:27
ninini:經質 季前 04/15 13:28
henk:給休斯當1號很好阿 小王別那麼累 04/15 15:02
henk:當2.3號先發很好阿 代表NYY人才幾幾 有三個Ace 04/15 15:05
Colormax99:為什麼今年Hughes會被預測頂一號?因為他有很好的曲球? 04/15 21:40
Colormax99:不想長別人威風,但感覺八扣子的曲球好像比Hughes的還殺 04/15 21:48
andy114425:請問一下ninini大,你是把洋基當成沒有錢找好選手的窮 04/15 21:58
andy114425:球隊嗎?Hughes還很年輕,各方面都很有潛力,或許將來 04/15 21:59
andy114425:的是貨真價實的ACE,但是,他去年在MLB只投了1/3季,而 04/15 21:59
andy114425:且成績只是平均值而已,身為一隻薪資總合超過2億美金的 04/15 21:59
andy114425:豪門球隊,季前媒體預測開季1號擺的是他而不是連二年都 04/15 22:00
andy114425:有好實績的王,與其說那些美媒體看不起王,不如說他們 04/15 22:00
andy114425:把Hughes給神格化了吧?不管是Hughes或是去年季末在牛 04/15 22:00
andy114425:棚殺翻天的Chamberlain,都還是有待一個完整球季來證明 04/15 22:00
andy114425:自己的,人家在討論Hughes這幾場的問題在那,你馬上就 04/15 22:01
andy114425:跳出來說是因為他比下王才酸他,是你神經質還是版友神 04/15 22:01
andy114425:經質啊? 04/15 22:01
henk:這裡本來就對大弟的愛比較多阿 習慣了 (茶) 04/15 22:06
andy114425:井川之所以會被期待,是因為他之前有日本的成績做為背 04/15 22:09
andy114425:書,不然洋基幹嘛花大錢把他標下來,你沒看到一堆球隊 04/15 22:09
andy114425:卯起來花錢搶日本選手嗎?還是你覺得那些成績沒價值? 04/15 22:09
ninini:不管洋基有沒有錢 很明顯最近用人的政策上有些改變 你可以 04/15 22:50
ninini:去爬上面Cashman的專訪 既然決定要重用農場 你也知道他只投 04/15 22:52
ninini:了不到100局又經過受傷中斷 我只能說你們對他太沒耐心了 04/15 22:55
ninini:至於王的部份主要是回應15599 04/15 23:03
ninini:井川有日職成績 Hughes有minor很殺的成績 假設兩個參考價值 04/15 23:09
ninini:差不多的話 能夠容忍井川 沒道理對Hughes這麼沒耐心 04/15 23:11
andy114425:重用農場!?王不是農場出來的嗎?Pettitte不是嗎?又 04/16 00:07
andy114425:不是沒有人可以用了,就算不算Mussina(他去年真的爆太 04/16 00:08
andy114425:慘,雖然我認為今年不會跟去年一樣),至少還有他們二位 04/16 00:08
andy114425:證明過自己選手可以當作首選,在這種情況下把Hughes捧 04/16 00:08
andy114425:為王牌,不是造神是什麼?去年決定不用Hughes、Kennedy 04/16 00:08
andy114425:、Cabrera等人去交易Santana回來就是決定要重用農場, 04/16 00:09
andy114425:不然你覺得是什麼?不是對著還沒證明自已的選手說:[王 04/16 00:09
andy114425:牌就決定是你了]才是重用。 04/16 00:09
andy114425:至於井川,你不會不知道日職的評價是4A吧?還是你覺得 04/16 00:10
andy114425:數字越大評價越低?從井川站穏日職後的2001年開始算, 04/16 00:10
andy114425:六年間的IP:1244(平均每年207.1局),三振:1174(平均 04/16 00:10
andy114425:每年196K),ERA:3.14,這種成績你覺得看不上眼?再來 04/16 00:10
andy114425:,假設就如你說的,二者的參考價值相同(日職的這些選手 04/16 00:11
andy114425:被花大錢請來後是當作"優質"的即戰力,殺翻小聯盟的可 04/16 00:11
andy114425:不一定哦,如果真的相同,花大錢是心酸的哦?),支持井 04/16 00:11
andy114425:川的人,大多都是覺得他沒有差到連在大聯盟生存都有問 04/16 00:12
andy114425:題,可沒人說他會變成ACE,在討論Hughes的人,是說他有 04/16 00:12
andy114425:這麼好的Stuff,為什麼沒有表現出ACE的成績,你覺得二 04/16 00:12
andy114425:者討論的內容一樣嗎? 04/16 00:12
leddy:要戰請自己po文, 不要躲在我的文章的推文裡 04/16 00:48