Re: [外電] Pursuing Santana doesn't make sense …

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作者: aaaaalucifer (韓文好難～<(￣︶￣)>) 看板: CMWang
標題: Re: [外電] Pursuing Santana doesn't make sense  …
時間: Fri Oct 12 14:42:46 2007

※ 引述《xiemark (aisinjuro)》之銘言：
: Pursuing Santana doesn't make sense right now
: By anaconda
北佬棉~~不應該盲目的追求喪塔那大爺~~BY 阿那康達  歐機喪

: Posted on Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 11:38:26 PM EDT
: Following the Yanks' early exit from the postseason for the fourth
: season in a row, perhaps the biggest trade rumor gaining steam in
: Yankeeland is the pursuit of Johan Santana this offseason in order to
: plant a bonafide ace atop the rotation to matchup with the likes of Josh
: Beckett, Justin Verlander, C.C. Sabathia, John Lackey, and Roy Halladay.
: Jim Johnson from The Bronx Block believes a pursuit for Santana by the
: front office this offseason is inevitable and Chien-Ming Wang should be
: included in such a deal.

看看北佬面對自己這個季，他們很有可能想要拿到喪大爺，不過等等
糾都媽爹~看到橋許貝提客、橋司丁瓦蘭得，西西殺八殺，將嚕key、瑞~好樂迪
等等等等等，如果想要有以上任何一個人加入北佬、那麼珍貴的小王必須要包含在
交易的包裹李面(當然是包包裏最大的一件)

: Now, I understand everyone's disappointment in Wang's horrific
: performance in the ALDS and inconsistencies down the stretch, but I
: don't think trading him away for a one-year rental is the answer.  The
: "Wang is not an ace" argument is a valid one, but his numbers over the
: last two seasons (38-13, 3.67 ERA, almost 6.2 IP per start) against AL
: lineups is no accident.
: The guy throws strikes, eats innings, and saves the bullpen a lot of
: wear and tear over the course of a season, which is exactly what you
: want from a starting pitcher.  He may not be an ace, but he's still a
: very good pitcher who just had a really bad postseason.
基本上王在這一個球季雖然有一個令人想使了的季後賽表現，
一直被叫的ACE在北佬可是不是叫假的
不要忘了這兩季在可悲的賽季中挺了過來共38勝13敗的3.67 ERA
還有狂吃6.2IP的表現可不是意外呢!
你以為解救快瓦解滴淚殘破老弱病殘的牛棚是誰呀!?
阿不就是小王嗎?就算北佬那麼想要一個好的先發
老虎王也許看起來不是最棒的，不過在一個最爛的季後賽之後
他仍然是一個很屌的先發頭手況且現在仍然是"ACE"呀!!
(裝屎的腦才會拿他去換咧..)

: Taking the other side of this debate, why would the Minnesota Twins make
: this move?  Wang's struggles on turf are well-documented, so I don't see
: why they would find him appealing in their home ballpark since half of
: his starts would be on that dreaded turf.  Doesn't make sense to me and
: I think their front office is smarter than that.

不過迷你蘇打雙包胎也不是丁丁，如果要把他們家的大物拿出來沒撈點好處是不可能的
尤其是可以打劫到王還有收刮北佬農場的機會，說什麼他們也不可能會放棄這個機會。

我認為他們的阿搭媽沒有北佬想的那簡單。

: If Wang is not included in such a deal, you can bet the ranch that it
: would take Chamberlain and/or Hughes and a host of other talent to pry
: Santana away.  If the Rangers wanted Kennedy in return for a two-month
: rental in Eric Gagne back in late July, one could imagine what the Twins
: would want in return for the best pitcher in the game.
:
如果王沒有在這個打包的包包裡面
你敢打賭在北佬的農場不會有更嚴重的收刮嗎?
張伯倫跟大弟很有可能會拿去跟喪塔納大爺交換
如果遊騎兵想要拿到總統大人回想一下七月時的愛力客
就會知道雙包胎棉在打啥鬼主意那麼積極的想要換到好的投手

 Are you guys willing to deal Hughes and/or Chamberlain and other talent
: for just one guaranteed season of Johan Santana?
: Didn't think so.  Cashman has also been very adamant about not trading
: away any member of the "trinity," so the odds of this happening are slim
: to none.

阿你覺得要放棄掉已經見到的大弟跟張博倫硬幫幫的才能?
去換一個喪塔那大爺嗎?

不 不可能的，凱子爹已經把當凱子的習慣改掉了，不可能會再把三合一的
金鋼拿去換人了。


: Perhaps I'm in the minority on this topic, but with the plethora of
: young arms in the Yankee system, I'd rather see the Yanks continue
: develop the young guns and produce their own bonafide ace(s) instead of
: paying someone like Santana huge money to be that guy.  It's highly
: unlikely that Santana would sign an extension with the Yanks because he
: knows he will likely sign the richest contract for any pitcher in MLB
: history once he hits the open market.
也許這一個主題上我能提出的是比較少的
但是我比較想看到北佬們可以在農作物的出產上多多注意
自給自足，也許某個咖小喜歡花大錢就讓他去吧!
在市場上也許桑大爺會是一個歷史性的最富合約擁有者
罷特...(別再當凱子會比較好)
況且我也不認為會拿到一個長約

: If the Yanks do make a bid for Santana, they should wait until this time
: next year when a ton of financial commitments will be off the books
: (Giambi, Pavano, Moose, Farnsworth, Pettitte?, Abreu?, etc) and they
: have a much better grasp on what the young arms (Hughes, Chamberlain,
: Kennedy, Horne, Cox, Sanchez, etc.) are capable of doing for this club
: long term.

如果北佬對喪大爺就是一直流口水，想要的不得了那麼也應該要等到明年2008年後
一堆有的沒的大合約都吃光了，再來拿也不遲，先把現在的小朋友養大
這樣子才是長期發展的最好方式。

: Mortgaging the future or trading away an innings-eater like Wang for a
: one-year rental would be counterproductive and not something Cashman is
: likely to do.  He seems to have learned from past mistakes and I'd be
: downright shocked if Santana is a Yankee in 2008 and very surprised if
: he is the Opening Day starter in 2009.
: http://www.pinstripealley.com/story/2007/10/11/233826/76


我相信凱子他爹不會把王或者其他的農作大物再沒是拿去外面亂換，
畢竟凱子爹已經在過去我在當凱子的日子時嘗試到了許多錯誤
並且也嘗試修正他犯的錯，如果在2008年撒塔那會在北佬

那我想那是很震撼的事情，2009年開幕戰將會是..喪大爺的先發的一年


亂翻的~~大家看看就好..^_^


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推 ROCAF:記者有本事再抄啊 = =
推 redsnipertd:.....記者看不懂,我也看不懂啊...
推 scal:等被紅襪搶到 就真的只能期待農場了
推 ROCAF:我是怪咖所以我看的懂  囧
推 kimkim:紅襪如果搶到那農場就不是只有大豐收才夠了
推 dnndn:襪襪搶到....投打左右門神阿冏
推 akainorei:trinity, 大帝, 喬巴, 跟王還是總統?
推 nikesister:襪襪如果搶到 驚驚
推 Minamii:最後一句是說..如果山大王2008來了而且2009的開幕戰是他先
→ Minamii:發會令作者驚訝..反正就是酸一下以前挖來的大物都爛了
※ 編輯: aaaaalucifer    來自: 218.211.229.93       (10/12 15:06)
推 kimkim:以傷病史與年紀來看山大王來洋基不爛掉機會比較大些
→ kimkim:不過頂不頂的住紐約的壓力是另一個隱憂
推 tseng1978:講真的要換他來 底限是JOBA+IAN+MILKY...
推 tseng1978:老史: 如果我有仙女棒 變大變小變漂亮
→ tseng1978:還要變個都是A-ROD SANTANA 和 JOBA的家~~
→ tseng1978:除非洋基想砍掉重練 (機會不大) 不然明年的ROTATION
→ tseng1978:IAN+IGAWA+WANG+MOOSE+大帝 CL: JOBA...這連季後賽
→ tseng1978:都進不去吧 ..市場上又沒ACE 除非買 席琳 葛拉文..
推 jason0921:先想辦法留住派吧!!!
→ tseng1978:基本上 就算買了 也進不了季後賽..
→ jason0921:基本上球是圓的!!!
→ tseng1978:嗯 不過這是洋基...拜託 球在圓一點 拜託..
→ majorleague1:這種寫小說式的亂翻就不用轉到這裡來了，看這個都比
→ majorleague1:看原文吃力，翻譯是為了服務大眾 要這樣搞還是看原文
→ majorleague1:算了  如果這麼怕抄那乾脆就不要翻嘛
推 jason0921:樓上也不用這麼氣憤啦 在王版還噓人家這一篇
推 majorleague1:原文本沒有這麼主觀很多都是加油添醋進去的
→ jason0921:不喜歡別看呀 何必噓人 還說翻這什麼鬼?
→ majorleague1:那也不用亂加油添醋曲解原文
推 charles0307:前面dreaded turf的地方是講王的sinker在草地上有利
推 hiro1221:其實我跟樓樓上有同感，有些還不是照作者的原意...
→ hiro1221:那乾脆自己寫一篇算了
→ charles0307:相較於Minesoda的人工皮草是嗎?
→ jason0921:是有些加油添醋 可是也不至於要噓人家吧
推 tseng1978:基本上 我是看原文 再看翻譯有沒有笑點 所以覺得還好
推 rayven:這篇其實寫得很有想像力，作者是在幻想雙城今年不把山大王
推 jason0921:咪兔
→ rayven:丟出來，等明年他變FA再讓大家去搶的樣子
推 eatpeanut:不喜歡這種翻譯+1 大概自以為很有文字創意吧 就事論事喔
推 norikopp:我覺得還好阿  何必這麼氣憤!? 原PO也是想娛樂一下大家
推 a2032016:那他打台語音好了   哩共什....
推 BastardRose:文章客觀從Minesoda角度簡單對Wang交易價值的疑慮部份
推 peterwu4:雙城球場是人工草皮(?)那段翻到完全詞不達意(太唬爛了…)
→ BastardRose:剛好因為翻譯而消失不見 會誤導看法...
推 majorleague1:我會氣憤是因為後面根本就是在胡扯
推 moremusic:翻譯有些不實 希望能尊重原意
推 aaaaalucifer:已經說是亂翻了咩~~大概知道一下意思就好了呀
→ aaaaalucifer:我又不是在寫報導只是服務一下想看的人咩
推 gerkk:雙城要趁今年換才有的賺,如果明年就虧了
→ gerkk:所以他們會想今年交易出去 ?
推 xanlich:Igawa for Santana
推 kimkim:樓上有夢最美XD
推 jason0921:阿宅相隨
推 bigboss:3.67 38-13 說的是這兩季不是這一季
推 nanalin:是為了不給抄所以才翻譯成這麼難看懂..XD
※ 編輯: aaaaalucifer    來自: 218.211.229.93       (10/12 16:43)
推 njnw:我覺得看翻譯比看原文吃力就是了....
推 roxiang:翻的很好笑啊...這樣也要氣不然你來翻?
推 kenro:蠻好笑翻譯 XD
推 TikalCelts:Igawa for Santana
推 a78544521:翻的好!
推 c12680000:可不可以用比較理解的話....這樣看英文還比較懂ㄟ
推 redsnipertd:不如看原文...
推 bobbyjohncom:很趣味呀,不過特殊形容詞可以""嗎?
→ bobbyjohncom:不然不好理解喔@@(小小建議~"~)
推 majorleague1:覺得好笑的人應該是沒看過原文
推 show172:同意樓上  根本就亂翻一通
推 hydexhyde:爛
推 MRHAUNG:直接英翻中的字 看的很痛苦
推 Schnell:很痛苦＋1
推 bini:翻這什麼鳥
推 ZETTPOTATO:痛苦...
推 hehehaha:推不如看原文的人就直接看原文阿,酸什麼?
推 smallken0410:= = 看嘸~
推 bryon:其實若只包一個農場潛力投手去換聖塔那幾乎是穩賺…但包兩個
→ bryon:以上的話.就不能用S級新秀去換
推 roger744:紅襪要搶到要出誰 八釦子嗎@@
→ roger744:我覺得JOBA不能給..他是ACE的料..Ian+Melky+其他 隨便雙ꬠ
→ roger744:城挑 反正山大王是左投 用左投換沒關係 大門喜歡的話也可
推 rayven:同意樓上，Hughes還可以捏著LP拿去換，Joba真的不能給人
推 agoodjob:同意樓上！
推 chinoyan:直接英翻中的字 看的很痛苦
→ tseng1978:我真的不是很懂 為啥Hughes可以換 Joba絕對不能
→ tseng1978:應該是兩個都是非賣品 非到不得已 才忍痛割愛一個
→ tseng1978:如果 洋基真的不幸到要花出如此巨大代價的話
→ tseng1978:好像大家篇向 Hughes讓他去吧! Joba留下就很安慰了...
推 freegreg:看不懂
推 fch010720:真的是亂翻一通，不同意原作者的文章，可以另作譯註
→ fch010720:但不該曲解原作的意思
→ fch010720:"He may not be an ace" 為何會翻成 "現在仍然是Ace"?
推 eastereaster:看的很痛苦,不如別翻...亂翻更是糟糕...
推 LawrenceHu:哇真是幽默