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※ 引述《borntobewild (woods)》之銘言：
: ※ 引述《IronChef (Schadenfreude)》之銘言：
: : Right.
: : 我問你，你可以4年賺52million, 還是五年賺50million, 你要選哪一個?
: : 我們也擺明不給第五年啊，你想怎樣.
: : 如果你認為給紅襪給Johnny Damon一個五年的合約是一個好主意，那你真的是洋機
: : 球迷. 他媽的他三年後Damon35歲了... 如果你想付一個35歲的中外野手一年
: : 13 million dollars, 那你可以趕快把Cashman的工作搶下來.
: 在Bernie William 30歲那年,洋基給他一個七年$89.5 million的合約. 所以去年洋基
: 是付給ㄧ個37歲的中外野手每年$12 million.
我很不想承認，但是Bernie Williams在他的peak的時候是一個MVP candidate.
你去看Bernie的數字... 他03跟04開始"退化", 然後05是大爛攤子. 但是他的03/04"退化
"居然是Johnny Damon的career numbers.
: : 這裡的重點是"你知不知道5年後Johnny Damon會的成績會長什麼樣子". 他現在是一個
: : 很好的leadoff man...他的CF D還蠻debatable的，但是他比Bernie好. 3,4年後呢?
: : Bernie 是你們的人... you should know best
: Damon年紀比Jeter大不到一歲,3,4年後兩個人退步的幅度相差會多大,我真的不知道.
: 如果每個交易的重點真的是要"知道"某某球員幾年以後的成績會長什麼樣子,那每個
: GM不就一天到尾在擲筊杯? By the way, Jim Edmonds是三十五歲喔! 而Steve Finley
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這真的是經典啊
Jim Edmonds has had one of the most unique aging patterns in MAJOR LEAGUE
HISTORY. His peak season was at AGE 34. He's the only player who's production
has been in an UPWARD trend since age 30.
If you think Johnny Damon will age like Jim Edmonds...
Good luck with that.
Steve Finley has had an interesting career too. Obviously he collapsed last
year at age 40, but again, he's a different type of player from Johnny
Damon. Similar plate discipline, but less BA (and thus lowerOBP) but more power
A more favourable contemporary comp for Damon would probably be Kenny
Lofton, but you already knew that.
: 在38歲那年還是國聯單季三壘打王.Damon在他的walk-year也不過三十六歲,你在擔心
: 什麼?
: : 還有...如果Damon真的打leadoff 的話...
: : God I hope Jeter bunts 25 times a year.
: Jeter的確是Yankees短打最強的球員,但是他大多都是inside-out的打法,第一棒速度
: 夠快的話正常揮擊也沒差多少.
: : 我們是4/40以後就拉倒. 你們比較有錢. Good for you.
: : Larry Lucchino may be an ass, but he did NOT screw up the Johnny Damon
: : situation. 我們就只有這麼多錢嗎.
: 紅襪的payroll僅次於洋基,連San Diego都能給ㄧ個現在34歲的外野手三年$30million,
Yes, a high OBP high SLG corner OF is sure going to have the same aging
patterns as a high BA speedy CF.
: Ordonez比Damon大幾個月而已,Detroit給他五年$75million,你要說紅襪對Damon出不起
Oh, that was a GREAT contract.
: 比4/40更好的價錢,那我也沒話說.
我們可能是"出不起", 也有可能是"不想出"
我認為"出不起"的原因是:
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2005/12/15/henrys_having_a_tough_year/
不想出的原因:
How did this transpire? Did you guys pull your offer, a four year, $40
million deal, off the table?
Lucchino: We did not. What we did do was to say that we wanted this thing to
be resolved by Christmas (Eve.) and it would expire at that time if we
weren't able to reach an agreement, and we were talking about the offer that
we made on Dec. 6.
The offer that you made to Scott Boras in Dallas. Did you ever make a
subsequent offer or was that the last offer?
Lucchino: We... I think it's fair to say that we left the door ajar for a
subsequent formal offer. What we did in Dallas was a formal written offer. We
never sent another formal written offer.
Did they ever make a counter proposal back?
Lucchino: This is what we were hoping to avoid wasn't it Jed? In and out and
this and that... There's a danger if we get into this that it leads to kind
of an editorial comment on how they conducted the negotiations or how we
conducted the negotiations. As Jed said earlier, we don't see that to be
fruitful at this stage.
很明顯啊. that's was our best offer. Take it or leave it.
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