Re: [基襪] Yankees vs RedSox

[IronChef (Schadenfreude)]

※ 引述《newyorkgirl (紐約女孩)》之銘言：
: 基襪除了爭奪美聯東區外...還有一項競爭悄悄地開始白熱化...就是美聯的MVP...
: Most Valuable有篇文章分析...翻給大家看看...真的希望連兩年都是洋基球員拿到...
: 雖然今年的難度看起來比去年還要高...
: http://yankees.mostvaluablenetwork.com/
: An early case for MVP.
: 當球季到達最重要的時刻...我們就要開始考慮各種獎項的頒發...其中一個就是MVP...
: 這一項討論裡面...很明顯的有許多名字浮現出來...但讓我們誠實的來看它...
: 會把焦點聚集在兩個球員...一個是紐約洋基明星游擊手Derek Jeter...一個是Ortiz...
: 去年的這個時間...Ortiz在角逐這個榮譽時候...對手是洋基三壘手Alex Rodriguez...
: 到了今年換成了Derek Jeter...當用這個標題時...絕對會有人嘲笑這是瘋狂行為...
: 把Derek Jeter拿來跟Ortiz比就像是浪費時間...放輕鬆...好好的閱讀下去...
: 就可以知道為什麼Derek Jeter可以當美聯MVP的理由...
: 第一個要看的就是BA/OBP/SLG/OPS...假如你是紅襪迷...看到這就會結束MVP的討論...
: Derek Jeter: .344/.421/.486/ .907
: David Ortiz: .284/.396/.618/1.014
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Hi. My name is Joe Mauer. I'm the catcher for the Minnesota Twins. I assure
you the .400 OBP catcher is not a myth. I exist in real life.

.362/.443/.522

Did I mention I'ma catcher?
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Hi. My name is Travis Hafner of the Cleveland Indians. I know, I DH, but I
have better stats than Ortiz and Jeter, and I play in a pitcher's park
surrounded by a krappy team other than Grady Sizemore.

.302/.426/.636/1.062
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Hi. I'm Grady Sizemore. I'm awesome in CF.

.303/.385/.534/.919
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Hi. I'm Manny Ramirez. Where am I again?

I WANT A SANDWICH!!!!!!!!

.320/.431/.619/1.050
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Hi. My name is Jermaine Dye. My team has the Wild Card right now despite the
fact that we have Scott Podsednik.

.326/.395/.628/1.023
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I suggest you guys look up stats for Jim Thome and Vernon Wells too. Those
guys are pretty good
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: 悲觀的人都會很快把打擊率跟上壘率拋開不看...直接用長打率跟OPS宣布Otriz勝出...
: 但別忘了Ortiz是個power hitter...而Derek Jeter並不是...現在選的是MVP球員...
: 他們是兩種不同型態的打擊者...就要用不同角度來看...
: 拿全壘打跟打點來比...Ortiz也是大幅度獲勝...
: Derek Jeter: 10 HR/ 70 RBI
: David Ortiz: 41 HR/110 RBI
: 沒有疑義...兩個人數據差距相當的大...可以肯定的是球季結束兩個人差距會更大...
: 此時會想問...為什麼兩個人差這麼多還可以比? 這個問題的答案很簡單...
: Ortiz打第三棒...後面有Manny保護他的打擊...這讓他更有機會爭奪美聯的MVP...
: 但是Derek Jeter打的是第二棒...他在Jason Giambi的前面(現在是Bobby Abreu)...
: 要強調的是...他後面的Jason Giambi不再是以前的那個人...這球季打擊率只有.259...
.256/.409/.594 !!!!!!!!!! And NOT ON STEROIDS!!!!

: 如果Jason Giambi在比賽時沒有上場...Derek Jeter後面一棒是Alex Rodriguez...
: 今年的A-Rod已經幾乎變成美聯投手垂涎想要對付的打者...
.287/.388/.510 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hate having to defend A-Rod

No, the batter AL pitchers are dying to face is Scot Podsednik. Wow,
2 Scot Podsednik jokes in one post.

: 讓我們在深入一點討論...這是關鍵...我們已經知道這兩個球員是不同型態的打者...
: 長打這一部分Ortiz是很出色...但現在應該要來看的是Derek Jeter比較出色的部分...
: 包括打擊率...安打...得分...二壘打...三壘打...盜壘...
: 要把所有數據拿出來提...這樣才算是評論一個球員是不是MVP的方式...
: Derek Jeter: 442At-Bats 152Hits 80Runs 27Doubles 3Triples 26Stolen Bases
: David Ortiz: 440At-Bats 125Hits 86Runs 21Doubles 1Triple   1Stolen Base
: 這些數據比下來...Derek Jeter確實比Ortiz出色...其中一項是他的盜壘成功率...
Well, there IS this Runs Created stat that says Jeter is better than Ortiz,
but hardballtimes is just wayy too hard to access.

: 26次盜壘成功的背後...只有3次盜壘刺殺...
: 再補充另一個數據...Ortiz有94次三振出局...Derek Jeter則是只有70次...
OK, now THAT is now meaningless

: 另外還有跑壘得分的能力...尤其是從一壘跑到三壘的這個能力Ortiz無法相比...
The run difference in that is seirously minimal.
: 重點就在Ortiz在某一領域很出色...Derek Jeter的表現則算是全方位...
: 我們要知道MVP是Most Valuable Player...而不是只當個Most Valuable Batter...
: 這麼說來...我們還沒有講到防守能力...有很多沒有每天觀察他的人常發出懷疑...
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I actually have to agree with this. Bad defense is better than no defense.


: Derek Jeter的守備能力沒有想像中這麼好...但敢保證拿來跟Ortiz比算是遊刃有餘...
: 最後...支持Ortiz跟反對Derek Jeter的人...會拿出"clutch"的功力來比較反駁...
: 但問題就在...為什麼我們要考慮"clutch"呢? 再見安打跟再見全壘打有多少重要性?
: 還可以考慮比賽結果的影響...跑者在得點圈的打擊...這些話題都會影響印象...
: 但現在我們將用數據來告訴你統計的情況...
: bases loaded:
: Derek Jeter - .500/.727/.677
: David Ortiz - .364/.385/1.091
: "Close and Late" situations:
: Derek Jeter - .305/.447/.390
: David Ortiz - .313/.403/.851
: Runners in scoring position:
: Derek Jeter - .377/.485/.509
: David Ortiz - .297/.430/.563
: Runners in scoring position w/ 2 outs:
: Derek Jeter - .395/.527/.558
: David Ortiz - .283/.433/.547
: Man at third with less than 2 outs:
: Derek Jeter - .458/.531/.500
: David Ortiz - .318/.367/.591
: 看要怎麼看"clutch"...但我也說出我的case...在hitter/slugger部份確實不能比較...
: 但在一個全面性的球員來看...確信可以看出誰是最好的...

Everytime somebody says a player is clutch, baby Jesus cries.



























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推 CCLu:Who said a .400 OBP catcher is a myth?
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