→ oncee:他不是希望去支有競爭能力的球隊? 12/13 01:52
推 A8804064:要去NL了@@ 12/13 01:53
→ Homura:金鳥的看板球員又少一個了 12/13 01:53
→ Pujols5:大交易都偷偷來嗎？ 12/13 01:53
推 kykosun:一換四 還是 一換五?? 12/13 01:54
→ charlie01:呃好像是一換五...? 12/13 01:56
推 searoar:第二段是他會去守3B嗎 12/13 01:56
→ merquise:Astros 看起來被搶了...農場投手清光光阿 12/13 01:56
推 balado:還有淺力能用的全部都包一包送出去了 = = 12/13 01:57
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→ merquise:這個換 Bedard 還差不多吧 ...@@ 12/13 01:58
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推 ColbyRasmus:你們家搶真大XD 12/13 02:02
推 tommy0221:好想哭 農場燒光.. 12/13 02:03
→ dimhdp10:Matt Albers投球姿勢蠻帥氣的 好好用吧(淚揮) 12/13 02:18
推 bounds:今年流行搶劫 12/13 02:21
→ dimhdp10:對了還有Luke Scott 也是位好球員 似乎常被低估 12/13 02:38
推 Liandh:這包還不錯 不過對MacPhail來說根本不算搶到啊 XD 12/13 03:25
推 TheBeast:嗚嗚...Bedard交易大期不遠矣.... 12/13 06:26
推 shawshien:MacPhail搶我們 (小熊) 才兇勒 12/13 11:17
→ shawshien:我們用了三個小朋友換Trachsel幫我們投了三場比賽 -.- 12/13 11:17
推 Liandh:那筆交易真的超土匪的XD 12/13 11:27
推 seekforever:如果Bedard <--> Bailey,Votto,Hamilton 瞬間充滿希望 12/13 12:31
→ seekforever:看這筆交易真令人期待新總管能用Roberts,Bedard換什麼 12/13 12:32
推 iverson320:拿王牌去薛道奇好了...Kemp 臘肉等等..xd 12/13 18:43
推 odyy:才不到一天沒看板就暴！MacPhail是搶匪出身吧XDDDD 12/13 23:28
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作者: Liandh (.) 看板: Orioles
標題: Re: [情報] Tejada to Astros!!!
時間: Thu Dec 13 06:38:21 2007
Mike Costanzo / 3B / 23歲
G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB BB SO AVG OBP SLG
137 508 92 137 29 1 27 86 2 75 157 .270 .368 .490 (AA)
<EDIT>
Costanzo在太空人系統中是最有power的打者，而且他還會耐心地選球，不
過金鶯之前已經藉由Steve Trashsel的交易從小熊那邊土匪來一隻同類型的
Scott Moore了，所以不清楚為什麼會再要他，不過以打者來說Caostanze的
天賦會比Moore高一點，未來有可能讓他站三壘然後讓Moore去當內野工具人
，或者是把他轉移到一壘，留三壘給Moore或者是之後的Rowell。
BA的太空人Top20他排在第6，John Sickels給他第5(B-)。
</EDIT>
Luke Scott / OF / 29歲
G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB BB SO AVG OBP SLG
132 369 49 94 28 5 18 64 3 53 95 .255 .351 .504 (MLB)
<EDIT>
Scott是個29歲的老新人(今年好像是第一次在MLB待整年)，在外野有著不差
的火力，上壘率跟長打率還不錯，不過在離開了太空人主場到這邊應該會下
修，不過放在LF的話應該還是能讓我們在這位置的OPS從650提高到800+，在
未來一兩年內這個位置上會有個至少堪用的球員，問題是這樣的話Reimold
要放哪呢？另外還有一個可能就是讓Scott繼續站RF，然後把再Markakis放
CF去。(別鬧了大哥)
</EDIT>
Dennis Sarfate / RHP / 26歲
G GS W L GF SV IP BB SO ERA FIP WHIP
45 1 2 7 23 4 61.2 47 68 4.52 5.04 1.75 (AAA)
7 0 1 0 1 0 8.1 1 14 1.08 0.18 0.72 (MLB)
low level的RP新秀，有條能飆到high 90的Power arm，不過少了一顆
out pitch，有人說他很像 Kyle Farnsworth，數據上看起來蠻會K人的
，可是BB也不算少，沒意外的話大概會加入現有的middle reliver軍團。
年初的時候在釀酒人排在新秀第22名，當時John Sickels把他湊進Top 20。
Troy Patton / LHP / 21歲
G GS W L GF SV IP BB SO ERA FIP WHIP
16 16 6 6 0 0 102.1 33 68 2.99 4.39 1.26 (AA)
8 8 4 2 0 0 49 11 25 4.59 4.67 1.12 (AAA)
3 2 0 2 1 0 12.2 4 8 3.55 6.42 1.11 (MLB)
<EDIT>
BA把他列為太空人TOP3新秀，速球在91-92麥左右，最高投到mid 90，
搭配滑球來當武器，另外還有顆進步中的變速，未來有機會成為2-3號
，現在最讓人顧慮的就是他過去三年肩膀出現過一些小狀況，而到了
金鶯之後他可能也會成為排名前幾名的新秀。
</EDIT>
Matt Albers / RHP / 24歲
G GS W L GF SV IP BB SO ERA FIP WHIP
31 18 4 11 2 0 110.2 50 70 5.86 5.56 1.60 (MLB)
<EDIT>
太空人在季前的TOP3新秀，當時有球探認為Albers可以立刻接下Setup
的工作，不過後來還是被放進輪值，速球投在92-95，還有low90的二
縫，據說當RP的時候還可以更快，另外above average的曲球跟滑球也
是他的武器，預期他的未來性可以達到3號，不過在金鶯除了擔任先發
輪值的機會以外，也有可能讓Albers到牛棚去工作。
</EDIT>
參考:在太空人版可以找到Costanzo/Patton/Albers今年跟之前的球探報告。
－-－-－-－-－-－-－-－-－-－-－-－-－-－-－-－-－-－-－-－-－-
<EDIT>
原本明年Albers跟Patton大概都是在輪值中的先發(BA預測到2011這兩個
會是太空人的#2/#4)，所以這或許是MacPhail為了要交易Bedard而做的準
備，不過這兩個最多就是3-4-5號，金鶯缺的好像不是這個地方，Scott跟
Costanzo的部分也是(3B/OF/DH還有個Mora要找位置來塞不是?)，整筆交
易看起來似乎有點重量不重質，不知道是不是MacPhail真的找不到交易對
象才去休士頓搶人？
MacPhail或許也有可能在後續的交易中把Scott，或者Albers/Patton其中
之一一起打包出去(或是其他SP)，所以這個冬天會讓金鶯收到什麼樣的禮
物就繼續看看後面的發展了。
</EDIT>
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送走Tejada讓國外鄉民high翻了..
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→ Liandh:差點忘了..也可能是受到Mitchell Report要公佈的影響:x 12/13 07:28
※ 編輯: Liandh 來自: 218.169.196.233 (12/13 10:40)
推 dimhdp10:Scott在Astros都站RF 防守是沒有什麼問題的 12/13 10:40
→ Liandh:我一開始看錯了XD 不過金鶯在RF有Markakis..他應該會搬家 12/13 10:43
→ Liandh:半夜真的不該唸書/打字/跟其他... 12/13 10:47
金鶯的一些討論區一開始就只考慮讓他站LF，結果我沒看cube就認為他是LF了XD
※ 編輯: Liandh 來自: 218.169.196.233 (12/13 11:31)
推 poplin:Scott的長傳滿漂亮的 12/13 12:24
→ Liandh:總之現在Minor 3B Top20中有三隻在O's..都養不起來就丟臉了 12/14 00:03
→ odyy:不過太空人的農場不強(Not a strong system)，我看了其他隊 12/15 23:19
→ odyy:的感想是：農場的強弱某種程度上可以反映球隊的強弱 12/15 23:20
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作者: Liandh (.) 看板: Orioles
標題: Re: [情報] Tejada to Astros!!!
時間: Fri Dec 14 20:58:24 2007
THT對這幾隻新秀的評論
What do we need to know about the prospects going back to the Orioles?
Chris Constancio:
A very thin farm system just got thinner, but it's doubtful
that the Astros surrendered any future stars. Troy Patton is the top prospect
in this group; he's a lefty with a track record of very good control. A late
draft pick that the Astros paid good money to lure away from the University
of Texas in 2004, Patton has watched his strikeout rate drop considerably
over the past year even though he throws hard and has good stuff. If he
doesn't miss more bats then he is nothing more than a back of the rotation
starter at this point, but his upside is considerable.
Albers' stuff is probably just as good as Patton, and he is only a year
removed from being the Texas League Pitcher of the Year. He has suffered from
below-average command and control throughout his career, however. I view him
as a usable middle relief arm going forward.
I think Costanzo is a bit overrated and underrated in different ways. I think
his power potential is overrated by many. He was second in the Eastern League
with 27 home runs in 2007, but he is an extreme pull hitter who benefited
from a very hitter-friendly context at Reading. I think his on-base skills
are often underrated. He struggles to make contact, but he did improve in
that respect during the second half of the 2007 season and has always walked
a lot so I hold out hope that he could demonstrate at least average on-base
skills in the major leagues.
There are some questions about his ability to stay at third base, and he
obviously isn't of much value if limited to first base/designated hitter
duties. For what it's worth, my play-by-play zone-based fielding metric had
him almost exactly average among Double-A third basemen in 2007.
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→ Liandh:至於BP的Joe Sheehan認為這筆交易是太空人賺到 12/14 21:10
推 odyy:以金鶯的慘況來衡量，也未必有啥損失 12/14 22:22
→ Liandh:我們省到薪資空間跟增加了深度啊:x 12/14 22:30
推 odyy:太空人GM：這批太年輕了，去換個老的來 12/14 22:31
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作者: Liandh (.) 看板: Orioles
標題: Re: [情報] Tejada to Astros!!!
時間: Fri Dec 14 22:28:57 2007
BBTF對這些球員的2008預測
2008 ZiPS Projection - Miguel Tejada
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AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB BA OBP SLG OPS+
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Projection 584 77 177 31 2 19 89 43 72 3 .303 .359 .461 111
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Opt. (15%) 608 95 200 38 3 24 102 56 68 7 .329 .394 .520 135
Pes. (15%) 536 59 149 24 0 13 65 30 75 0 .278 .320 .396 85
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Top Comps: Rich Aurilia, Alan Trammell
2008 ZiPS Projection - Mike Costanzo
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AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB BA OBP SLG OPS+
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Projection 475 38 103 21 1 13 52 43 144 0 .218 .292 .346 67
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Opt. (15%) 531 58 127 29 2 20 77 53 161 4 .239 .317 .414 91
Pes. (15%) 456 36 92 19 0 11 49 36 153 0 .202 .264 .316 52
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Top Comps: Clete Boyer, Dave Roberts
2008 ZiPS Projection - Luke Scott
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AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB BA OBP SLG OPS+
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Projection 431 60 109 26 4 20 98 54 97 3 .252 .340 .471 111
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Opt. (15%) 473 72 139 33 5 25 113 71 84 5 .294 .392 .543 143
Pes. (15%) 390 42 93 19 2 12 52 48 91 0 .238 .324 .390 87
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Top Comps: Trot Nixon, Jeromy Burnitz
2008 ZiPS Projection - Troy Patton
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W L G GS IP H ER HR BB SO ERA ERA+
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Projection 7 13 27 26 152 176 98 25 66 85 5.80 79
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Opt. (15%) 10 13 30 29 175 185 94 24 61 113 4.83 95
Pes. (15%) 4 13 23 23 121 159 97 26 61 49 7.21 63
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Top Comps: Bob Kipper, Slick Castleman
2008 ZiPS Projection - Matt Albers
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W L G GS IP H ER HR BB SO ERA ERA+
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Projection 6 12 31 25 155 182 100 23 74 83 5.81 79
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Opt. (15%) 10 11 39 29 185 194 96 19 82 116 4.67 98
Pes. (15%) 4 13 30 23 129 167 100 24 75 57 6.98 65
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Top Comps: Losing Pitcher Mulcahy, Jim Slaton
2008 ZiPS Projection - Dennis Sarfate
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W L G GS IP H ER HR BB SO ERA ERA+
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Projection 6 9 44 14 119 129 71 15 64 75 5.37 85
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Opt. (15%) 9 7 48 15 135 131 63 12 62 106 4.20 109
Pes. (15%) 3 9 36 11 94 115 67 15 55 54 6.41 71
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Top Comps: Pete Broberg, Eli Grba
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如果比較一下Tejada + Jay Payton 跟 Luke Scott + sb. in SS 的話，
對金鶯的打線似乎影響不大，Scott能貢獻的打點似乎多一點，
只是明年真的要看Luis Hernandez上去先發嗎?
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※ 編輯: Liandh 來自: 220.129.126.32 (12/14 22:32)
→ Liandh:太空人則算是打線升級，不管Tejada是守SS或者3B， 12/14 22:33
推 odyy:看了一下各家的介紹和評估，我想下一季應該會比這季好，不過 12/15 23:29
→ odyy:進步的幅度應該不大 12/15 23:30
推 odyy:前提是沒有其他交易XD 12/15 23:41