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2005 SUNS 2005年的太陽隊 Relevant Details: 62 wins, 110.4 points per game, 103.3 points allowed, .477 FG%, .393 3FG%, 2,026 3s attempted, lost in Western finals (San Antonio, six games). 相關數據:62勝,每場平均得分110.4,失分103.3,47.7%投籃命中率,39.3%三分球 命中率,三分球出手次數2,026次,止步於西區冠軍賽(血戰六場後敗給聖安東尼奧)。 Eight-Man Rotation: Amare Stoudemire, Shawn Marion, Joe Johnson (47.8% 3FG), Nash (43.1% 3FG), Quentin Richardson (38.9% 3FG), Leandro Barbosa (36.7% 3FG), Jimmy Jackson (45.9% 3FG), Steven Hunter. 八人輪替陣容:阿罵、Matrix、Joe Johnson(三分球命中率47.8%)、飄髮哥(三分球命 中率43.1%)、Q-Rich(三分球命中率38.9%)、小巴(三分球命中率36.7%)、浪人JJ(三分球命 中率45.9%)、獵人。 Comments: That's the perfect S.S.O.L. team -- seven athletes and/or 3-point shooters and a Hall of Fame point guard running the show. This was the most " successful" (for lack of a better word) Suns team, falling to the future champion Spurs in a particularly tight series that could have played out differently if Joe Johnson hadn't fractured his eye socket in the previous round. You'd think they would have keep that nucleus together, right? 評價:那是最完美的S.S.O.L.(七秒或更快)進攻球隊 -- 七個運動力出色的球員(包含 若干具備三分能力的射手)還有一名未來名人堂的控衛一起組成了這個秀。這是最"成功的" (抱歉沒有更適合的形容詞存在)太陽隊,在競爭出奇激烈的系列賽中敗給了當年的冠軍馬 刺,而如果在前一輪Johnson沒有發生眼窩骨折的意外,那這一輪鹿死誰手還很難講。你認 為他們一定會保持這個核心陣容,對吧? Unfortunately ... 不幸的是... Mistake No. 1: Re-read Marc Stein's post-mortem from August 2005 to properly refresh your memory about the Joe Johnson fiasco. That's right -- fiasco. Phoenix's relationship with Johnson deteriorated so badly that he directly asked Sarver not to match Atlanta's $70 million offer -- which he didn't -- leading to the devastating trade of Johnson for Boris Diaw and two future first-rounders. (Note: In that aforementioned "What If's" column, I partially excused the Suns because Johnson wanted to leave, forgetting how they drove him away until a few bitter Suns fans refreshed my memory.) They had just come within two wins of the NBA Finals and built an identity; now they were dealing a 24-year-old potential All-Star, the perfect swingman for their system, a deadly shooter who could even play backup point guard for them ... and only getting back a bench player and two future picks? Maybe that deal would have made sense for some teams, but they had just come within two wins of making the Finals! And how could they botch the Johnson thing so badly that he asked to leave? (Note: I asked these same questions three summers ago.) To borrow a modern example, this would be like the 2008 Hornets coming within two games of the NBA Finals while lowballing David West for the entire year, then trading him to Charlotte this summer for Jared Dudley and two No. 1s. Would they ever do that in a million years? 錯誤一:再讀一次Marc Stein於'05年8月所寫的報導應該可以適當地喚醒你對於Joe Johnson慘案的回憶。沒錯 -- 慘案。鳳凰城和Johnson之間的關係糟透了,所以他直接向 Sarver要求,請他不要跟進亞特蘭大所提出總值7,000萬美元的合約 -- Sarver也就真的沒 有跟 -- 這導致了以Johnson換取屌爺和兩個未來第一輪選秀權的毀滅性交易成真。(註: 在我之前提到的"15個如果"專文裡頭,我稍稍諒解了太陽,因為是Johnson自己想離開,直 到一些憤恨不平的太陽迷提醒了我,我才想起他們是怎麼逼走他的。)他們只差兩勝就能踏 進NBA總冠軍賽並為自己正名;結果他們把一個年僅24歲,未來可能成為全明星的球員交易 掉,他是最適合太陽進攻系統的搖擺人,是一個足以擔任替補控衛又身懷絕命三分能力的 射手...而且只拿回一個板凳球員和兩個未來的選秀權?或許別的球隊做這樣的交易還有意 義,不過他們只差兩勝就能叩關總冠軍賽耶!他們在面臨Johnson求去時所做的挽救怎會如 此糟糕?(註:我在三年前的夏天就問過一樣問題了。)舉一個現在的例子來講,這就像'08 年的黃蜂只差兩勝就能晉級總冠軍賽,不過他們整季都低估David West的價值並在今年夏 天拿他和夏洛特交換Jared Dudley還有兩個第一輪選秀權。你想在他們有生之年他們會去 做這種腦殘交易嗎? Here's what kills me about the Johnson trade: With Nash, Amare, Marion and Johnson, you're set for the rest of the decade. That's it. That's your core. That's your guarantee for 57-plus wins a year and a specific style that can work. Surround them with role players and veteran buyout guys and you're contending until Nash breaks down, and even then, you can just shift the offense over to Johnson as the main creator. HOW CAN YOU GIVE THAT GUY UP???? So what if he's insulted and doesn't want to come back? He'll get over it! You're paying him $14 million a year and he gets to play with Steve Nash! Arrrrrrrrgh. 關於Johnson交易案最讓我不能接受的是:只要有飄髮哥、阿罵、Matrix以及Johnson ,你在接下來十年都可以高枕無憂。就是這樣。那幾個人就是你的核心人物。那幾個人就 是球隊每年拿下至少57勝並讓這種獨特球風繼續風馳電掣於球場上的最佳保證。只要搭配 幾個綠葉球員還有被買斷合約的沙場老將,你就可以在飄髮哥倒下之前都維持足以衝擊總 冠軍的競爭力,而且就算如此,你也可以只把進攻發動機的角色轉換為Johnson,然後繼續 這種行雲流水的曼妙球風。你們是天殺的哪根筋不對勁才放走那個傢伙?就算他老大不爽 而且不想繼續待下來?他總有情緒平復的一天!你一年付給他1,400萬美元就能讓他繼續和 飄髮哥合作耶!啊~啊~啊~呀! -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 210.241.111.125
thegod13 :頭推 繼續等下文 06/09 00:12
fakeiori :那時候真的幾乎是明星隊... 06/09 00:33
linhank :請問一下那時候有薪資空間可以簽下JJ嗎?? 06/09 01:03
eurekacake :如果留下JJ 後來Hill又來 就真的是全明星隊了@@ 06/09 01:44
jackeyjut :痛苦的回憶啊… 06/09 03:31
kisun :那時除非JJ是佛心來著的,不然這等身手甘心當球隊的 06/09 08:33
kisun :第四人嗎? 06/09 08:33
kisun :不過不可否認,那年太陽的陣容是近年來最兇猛的 06/09 08:34
chouyuu :我一直覺得當年JJ開5年50M就該簽了,然後Sarver不知 06/09 11:02
chouyuu :道哪根筋不對錢不給就算了還靠北JJ,最好是有員工被 06/09 11:03
chouyuu :靠北以後還會心甘情願幫你做事,當然心裡一定超賭爛 06/09 11:03
chouyuu :這件事我對Sarver真的是超不滿的 06/09 11:04
PatlaborGao :尤其是JJ是花了多少功夫養起來的,我想太陽迷都清楚吧 06/09 11:37
chadey :讀此系列文不掉淚者 其人必不愛太陽 06/09 11:50
iamokk :JJ養的過程大家不會忘的,Penny派&JJ派天天都在戰 06/09 12:39
DragonCloud :沒錯 PENNY哭哭 06/09 13:01
DragonCloud :好擔心年底的太陽QQ 06/09 13:02
tliu223 :太陽那時已經有nash和駭客的大合同﹐小斯也是肯定 06/09 15:26
tliu223 :要上千萬的﹐再給JJ千萬合同﹐恐怕戰績上沒有起色 06/09 15:27
tliu223 :反而是陷入更深的薪金陷阱了吧 06/09 15:29
PatlaborGao :戰績?起色?那年可是平了隊史的勝場啊...難道要他們挑 06/09 15:59
PatlaborGao :戰70勝? 06/09 16:00
PatlaborGao :而且下季,前四人共拿5600,跟msn+JJ的5500比起來還真 06/09 16:04
PatlaborGao :不遜色啊,明明是4個位置都有人,只要有個防守好的C, 06/09 16:05
PatlaborGao :就有機會挑戰冠軍的.... 06/09 16:07
PatlaborGao :我想Sarver並不是沒有錢,只是他沒有Cuban對冠軍的那 06/09 16:09
PatlaborGao :份渴望 06/09 16:10
rahim1211 :以結果論來說JJ走人也沒省到錢,那1400萬左右都給了 06/09 18:21
rahim1211 :Diaw和Barbosa,當然後兩位也都是好球員 06/09 18:22
rahim1211 :只是這篇文章提到的4人組看來"似乎"更誘人一點 06/09 18:23
rahim1211 :續約JJ所損失的或許是沒錢留下Barbosa... 06/09 18:24
chouyuu :想深一層JJ續約的話小巴不知道還打不打得出那身價 06/09 18:50
chouyuu :或許到時候續約也不用那麼多錢 不過這都馬後砲XD 06/09 18:50
chadey :再補馬後炮一發 小巴的季後賽身價 = = 06/10 02:50
JoshSmith :太馬後炮了 交易完隔年 Diaw 拿最佳進步獎 06/10 03:55
JoshSmith :我們老鷹可是被笑的半死 呵........ 06/10 03:55
BrentBarry :樓上說的也是剛好時也運也..如果在別隊沒Nash不可能 06/10 10:40
stoudemire31:結論:Cuban快來買太陽隊拉 06/11 00:02
iamgay110 :......Q-Rich是三成五八不是三成九八啦 06/11 12:16
iamgay110 :三成九八三分命中率最好有人會罵... 06/11 12:17
JoeJohnson :我真是佛心來著.. 06/13 13:10