Re: [牌局] don't know how to play JJ

[oakleysee (Adam)]

※ 引述《Foxhound (Ares)》之銘言：
: ※ 引述《oakleysee (Adam)》之銘言：
: : http://www.pokerhand.org/?2204498
: : no read on opponents. The button 3 bet seems like stealing.
: : <maybe not cuz its 7.5BB raise>
: : This JJ I plan not to play post flop so I decide to re-raise as a test.
: : My question is: should I just fold here? or make it $23 to go?
: : $29 seems too large for me to throw it away.
: : Appreciate any comments...;)
: Personally, I think the biggest mistake you made was that
: you played a big pot with no read on your opponent.
: But I also don't understand your thought process when you
: A) decided not to play the hand post flop
: JJ is a big hand in a 6-handed game, but it's still not an automatic all in.
: When I have JJ my plan is not to get all in, but to make my opponents pay to
: draw.  Against good players, I don't mind just flat calling a bet and a raise
: and taking a flop with them...especially when you don't know where you are in
: the hand.  Three-betting pre-flop is by no means a terrible play, but I feel
: that keeping the pot smaller with a hand like JJ will usually get you more
: value when you are ahead, while giving you a chance to get away (or suck out
: :P) if you are behind.  This is the "small ball" approach that players such
: as Daniel Negreanu like to employ.
: B) re-raised for information but didn't use it
: As I've stated before, three-betting isn't a bad play here, and I like the
: amount that you chose to raise.  But when the action came back to you, you were
: clearly beat.  Low limit players online will almost never "four-bet" bluff you,
: especially pre-flop.  The best case scenario would be that you are up against
: AK in a coin flip, but most of the times here you'd find yourself a 4.5-to-1
: underdog against AA, KK (and sometimes QQ).  The fact that you already have $29
: in the pot shouldn't matter here.  Once you make the raise the chips belong to
: the pot and should be considered "sunk cost".
: I'm new to bbs and this discussion board, but I've played Hold'em for five
: years and would enjoy meeting other poker enthusiasts in Taiwan :)
: By the way, I can type in Chinese fine (just not very fast).

Great comments! I think I am happy to take the second recommendation.
The reason I don't like to flat call is here:
http://www.pokerhand.org/?2164491
My another JJ hand - how do I play this small small small board,
without identifying where my JJ stands preflop?
I don't know how to continute playing this hand however shove
could be the worst decision. That's why I don't like to play
post flop with JJ in a 3-bet pot. :)

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推 goopa:這把牌我想你Preflop被reraise以後作flat call是正確的...
→ goopa:看到flop以後，對手搶先bet 4/5 pot...
推 RyanTan:i don't know why did u make that all-in raise on the
→ RyanTan:flop...u only get called by the hand that beats u...
推 jord:一定要把pot搞那麼大嗎? 不能check-call或check-fold嗎?