Re: [閒聊] 騰雲似乎沒有要解散？

[brownbear (凱倫棕熊)]

※ 引述《hunk124 (金屬之子得永生)》之銘言：
:       小弟在某論壇上爬到的 騰雲新一篇聲明嗎？
:       http://strato.jens.org/stratovarius-statement-2008-05.php
:       有人可以翻譯嗎？
: ＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝
: Teksti suomeksi / Petri Silas, Soundi
: Tolkki's main motivation was greed
: Timo Tolkki published a statement? on on April 2 this year. The other members
: of Stratovarius would now like to set the record straight. You can't argue
: with someone's perception of things, you can just explain how you see things
: differently.


今年的4月2日  Timo Tokki 公開發表聲明? 那騰雲其他的團員就打開天窗說亮話了
你無法對別人的觀點爭論 你只能解釋你對事情不同的看法

: The confrontations, fights, incompetence, tensions, negativity, bitterness,
: hostility, disinterest, bad musicianship, and unfriendliness that Timo
: described were never there. He constructed this alternate reality around
: these simple and for him painful facts:


所有 Timo說的那些爭吵 負面 不友善的狀況  並不存在
(os:形容詞太多不詳翻 都是類似的負面事情 )

他把所謂的實際狀況建立在以下這些非常簡單  但對他來說是很痛苦的事實上


: 1) The band's momentum has been slowing since 2004.

1 樂團的進度從2004以來就一直落後


: 2) The media chaos of 2004 made him lose a lot of trust and respect both
: within and outside the band.

2  2004 媒體方面的混亂 ( os: 不太知道是指什麼 可能是負面的報導或是無法取信媒體
之類) 讓他失去了許多樂團內與樂團外的信任跟尊重

: 3) Stratovarius' label Sanctuary had severe financial problems from 2005 on.
: It forced us to start a legal process at the beginning of 2007.
: If you live your life through other people's eyes, declining sales or a
: perceived loss of power are matters of deep, stinging personal humiliation.
: Other sad facts remain. The legal fight left us without a way to make a new
: album, and financially strapped. Timo's main motivation for what he did was
: greed, not issues of friendship or art.


騰雲的唱片公司  Sanctury 自2005就遭遇了很大的財務危機
這迫使我們在2007年開始了一些法律程序
如果你是藉由別人的眼光來過生活 那麼銷售遞減 失去權力 等等
對你來說便會是非常大的傷害

禍不單行 法律訴訟讓我們失去了發行新專輯的管道 也帶來財務上的危機
Timo所做所為主要的動機是貪婪  並非為了什麼狗譬友情或是藝術
(os:狗譬是我自己加的)


: In the summer of 2007, he presented the Stratovarius/ Revolution Renaissance
: demos we had all financed and recorded to Frontiers Records, and signed a
: recording agreement for a solo project. Unbelievably, he promised Frontiers
: that he alone could (and would) stop Stratovarius from being active for the
: duration of the R.R. project, for marketing reasons. In exchange for this,
: Timo alone was paid 154,000 US dollars.

2007年夏 他發表了騰雲/文藝復興 錄製並簽給 Frontiers Records的demos
並簽了一份solo專輯的錄製合約  跌破眼鏡的是他答應Frontiers 基於文藝復興的
市場考量  他自己可以也將會停止騰雲的活動  而交換條件就是對方付Timo個人
154,000 美金


: He did this behind our backs, as we were deep in pursuit of Sanctuary legally
: with a large legal bill. He still hasn't had the guts to tell us what he did.
: We pieced it together from various press releases of his and scattered email
: correspondence.


他背著我們幹這些勾當 (os:比較激動的說起來是這樣) 當我們還在苦籌因為Sanctuary
的這一大錢的時候  他還是沒種告訴我們他幹了什麼事
是我們從他不同的媒體發言中及片片斷斷的email聯繫中聯合發現這件事的


: In October he sent us a mail saying he didn't want to continue, a quite
: impersonal way after having been in the same band for 12 years. He explained
: that he was tired of Stratovarius, and would concentrate on things like his
: opera. We had known for some time he really hated playing live.


十月時 他寄信給我們每個人說他不想再玩了 在我們同一團12年的情份下
他就以這樣一個不怎麼夠朋友的方式閃人了
他說明這是因為他已厭倦了騰雲 而且將會把重心放在別的事物上 比如他的歌劇
我們對於他討厭現場表演這件事也已知道一段時日

: He did not mention anything about his Frontiers deal, which placed the rest
: of us at great financial risk. He very clearly asked that we wouldn't contact
: him and try to talk him out of it, which we all respected. He would later
: make much of the fact that nobody tried to talk him out of it.

他並沒有提起任何關於他和Frontiers之間的事 這將我們其他人致於一個非常大的
財務風險  他非常明白要我們不要聯絡他也不要找他請他把事情說清楚
而我們也非常尊重這一點  他說他稍候會做說明  但並沒有人要他這樣做


: This year, Sanctuary agreed to settle, but Timo's announcement and Timo's
: announcement alone ruined that, leaving us with a debt of 54,000 US dollars.
: The total loss is around 346,000 US dollars. There was no reason for the
: timing of his announcement other than some foolish belief it would make the
: promotion of Timo's project record a bit easier. What he did to the rest of
: us was stupid, selfish and more than disappointing to us since we all stood
: shoulder to shoulder with him financially in 2004.

今年Sanctury 願意穩定下來 (os:可能是指該公司有比較穩定 不是很懂) 但單單Timo
這一篇聲明就完全毀了一切 而且留給我們54,000美元的債務

( 2008/5/20補充: 今天我查了一下settle這字 有解決紛爭的意思  所以也有可能是
指和解 )

損失總金額大約346,000美金   這跟聲明發表的時間點以及這對Timo的個人專輯宣傳
一點關係都沒有
他所做對我們其他人來說就是蠢 自私 而且不只是只有失望而已
因為我們從2004 就與他一起並肩作戰


: Then late January, surprisingly, he proposed us playing as hired guns on R.R.
: (turning it into a Stratovarius record), and doing a tour with Jari on bass.
: Apparently he again had financial problems due to his failed opera project.
: He then quickly dismissed the idea himself.


一月末  出人意料的他請求我們擔任文藝復興的客座樂手 (那不就回到跟騰雲一樣)
並且巡迴日本 Jari擔任bass   很明顯地他失敗的歌劇作品讓他有了財務危機
所以他就馬上收回自己的主意


: In short it's not so much a story of simmering discontent leading to a wise
: and respectable decision. It's definitely not a story of naivit? It's the
: story of Faust, the story of madness, of a band's natural and slow decline,
: but in the end something mundane: the story of a supreme narcissist going
: broke and betraying friends of 12 years who helped save him a few years
: earlier.


簡言之 這不是個導向什麼明智且令人尊重的決定  這難道不是小說家的作品嗎?
這根本就是浮士德 (os: 把靈魂賣給惡魔然後得到才華 名聲的故事)
是一個樂團的瘋狂 自然而緩慢的消退
但是結局有些不同 這是個完全的自戀狂 破產 跟背判12年朋友的故事 而且這些朋友
早些年還曾經幫忙過他

: Hopefully this explains the situation a little bit. Sorry if it is long on
: business crap, and short on humor or music. This was a terrible,
: disappointing blow to us.


希望這瞭解狀況有點幫助 很抱歉如果這只是一篇關於商業 無關幽默或是音樂的廢話
這就是我們之間糟糕又令人失望的事情

: We would like to thank our fans who make it all worth it, and despite it all,
: we would like to thank Timo for the past, the nice music and the good
: moments.


我們要感謝讓這一切都值得的樂迷們  不管如何 也要謝謝
和Timo一起有過的過往時光 美好音樂以及美好時刻


: The rest of us want to make clear that we are doing great and that we will
: continue making music together, because we care about each other and we care
: about our fans. We have grand plans indeed, and we will have some very
: interesting news in the months ahead!
: -TK JM JJ LP
: the remaining members of Stratovarius

我們其他人要表明我們過得很好而且會繼續一起做音樂 因為我們在乎彼此還有我們的
樂迷   我們的確有遠大的計劃 不久的將來也會有非常有趣的消息的

TK JM JJ  LP  ( os:..... 縮寫起來怎麼都有點好笑...對不起 這種時候不該搞笑)

騰雲其他繼續著的團員們


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沒有詳查 大概翻一下  若有錯或不通順請不吝指正              手  很  痠  ~~~~




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推 goldflower:很明顯地他失敗的歌劇作品讓他有了財務危機...嗆好大XD
推 goldflower:再推一個  感謝翻譯
推 vixon:感謝翻譯 英文好真好..
推 marspooh:棕熊英文真好~~
推 EDGE:      感謝翻譯！
推 lordlpg:     推翻譯！
推 SRFKOFDDR:2004 media of chaos可能是指發了同名專輯那爛片
推 yangon:↑應該是指初次散團、歌迷威脅、吉他手住院那連串事件
推 yangon:同名專輯是2005年的事
推 yangon:"This year, Sanctuary agreed to settle"
→ yangon:那段應是指他們與唱片公司的官司本來有望和解，但這下完了
推 chandlerbean:有熊出沒
推 theone037:這樣的話騰雲樂風就變主唱主導了吧
推 bjorn607:WIKI上面的騰雲page也是說 胖子離團 strato繼續 之前搞
→ bjorn607:不懂 現在也許讓每個人說話 才有瞭解事情輪廓的機會
→ brownbear:春同學我比較羨慕你的德文...
→ brownbear:to yangon: 我今天有特別去查settle這個字 有解決紛爭的
→ brownbear:意思 所以我也覺得是合解的意思比較大 我剛剛才補充上去
→ brownbear:謝謝提出
→ brownbear:喔對了 如果有版友的推文被不小心修掉的 sorry..
※ 編輯: brownbear       來自: 61.216.83.102        (05/21 00:33)
推 smallzoo:記得初次鬧解散也是主唱、胖子跟鼓手有糾紛、打架等，
→ smallzoo:後來又粉飾太平地出了張 Di Da Di，
→ smallzoo:當時原本歡喜要加入的血腥女主唱真是無辜～
推 derli:學姊好強, 果然是英文系的