Re: [舊聞]Eric撰文反擊批評者 評論神話需要資格

[jillgod1982 (怨念很重....(殺氣))]

這是神話出七輯時某編輯發表的言論，


大雷


心臟不好的不要看
看完就知道為什麼大大要罵人，
但我覺得這編輯很閒，對神話的個人活動都很清楚 XD
然後再度讚嘆一下，大大你真的是超有種...




美男組合神話，為什麼發行了第七張專輯？



翻譯：Jinviiv

"Pretty Boy" Group Shinhwa, Why did they bring out a 7th Album?

美男組合神話，為什麼發行了第七張專輯？

A long time ago, Seo Taiji fans, they always did a particular thing.
When an album comes out you are meant to listen to it till you get used
to it, but at the time, for me who was laughing at the Seo Taiji fans who
would listen to the album from beginning to end which was the trend that Seo
Taiji albums would make you do, was so new to me. (From 1st album to 4th,
and to the solo albums he would never make us get bored of his music.
He would constantly show new music and this would influence the musicians
of today although they do not even think of the pain of producing a song.)

很久以前，徐太志的歌迷們就經常做一件特別的事情。當一張專輯發行後，你會
一直聽到習慣為止。但在那時，對於我來說，會嘲笑那些會把徐太志專輯從頭聽
到尾的歌迷，可這就是徐太子專輯能夠使你做到的。這對我來說是一個全新的概念。
（從第一張專輯到第四張以至後邊的個人專輯，他從來沒有讓我們對他的音樂感
到厭煩。他總會為我們展示新的音樂形式，這樣做也影響了當今很多音樂人，雖然
他們從來沒有想過製作一首歌的痛苦。）

Shinhwa of course are extending their status from the usual best of the
‘boy groups’. It has been 7 years since they made their debut and whether
they wanted it or not they received SM’s promotion and were able to make
their name, and every single title song that made the fans frenzy with
excitement was made by Yoo Young Jin and to try and gain musical acclaim
by putting in a few self produced songs - even their skills at synthesising
by themselves are of non-existent standards. In the time of the internet
their 5th album Perfect Man, excluding the fact it came out in a time
where the un-idol-group-like song expanded the genre, they walked along
the road of a conventional idol group.

神話在這過程中也在努力拓展他們最優男孩團體的身份。距離他們初次登臺和考慮
是否接受SM公司的提拔已經由7年了。這期間他們終於成名，每首由俞永鎮作的歌都
使歌迷因興奮而瘋狂，努力自己創作歌曲得到樂界的掌聲和喝彩，即使他們的綜合
技能還不能達到一個令人滿意的程度。在第五輯《Perfect Man》時，除了它的發行
時間是處於一個放開了非偶像團體的音樂風格的階段，他們仍在沿著傳統偶像組合
的道路前進。

The reason that they were able to make their music known was not from the
superiority of their music, but from their conventional pretty boy group
promoting ways of ‘play the song frequently’ laws of show programs that
show off their talents to teens, and thus it is definite that they were
a group made for teens.

至於他們的音樂為什麼能夠做到家喻戶曉，並不是因為音樂本身的優勢，而是遵守了
傳統美男組合經常運用的“頻繁播放”的法則對十代人來展示他們的才能，因而這也
正是作為一個組合對十代人的定義。

But now their age is already in their mid-twenties. It is for sure that
their age is a time where they would have to seriously figure out whether
they will really make music or do something else. (Of course their fans
would continue to support them even in their thirties.).

但現在，他們的年紀已經二十四、五歲了。要肯定的是，這樣的年紀是他們該嚴肅
考慮他們是否做音樂還是其他一些事情的時候了。（當然，即使他們30歲了，歌迷
還是會支持他們的。）

Of course as one that sees them as not ‘musicians’ but ‘singers’ and
one that sees how they just perceive plain booming sound as music are
normal for them, I still cant stop but think if they so want to develop
from a singer to a musician (I hear that they put in a few self produced
songs in the 7th album and calling that a musical development) then I
cant really understand the way they are going right now.

當然，一方面應當看到，他們並非音樂人而是歌手；另一方面，也應看到他們在音樂上
尋求的最高點也不過如此。我仍然不能相信他們想從一個歌手轉型為音樂人，但是我
很理解他們現在所採用的方式。（我聽說，第七輯中他們自己製作了一些歌曲並稱之
為音樂成長）

The reason for my strong feeling that they are stars that only follow after
the money, is that the time in which they chose to release their album is
the biggest reason, eric and his angry stare in a popular drama, andy with
his sitcom and simple repeated lines and the cuteness, junjins line delivery
that makes u wonder why on earth he would take up acting, minwoo who
released an album as M but received reviews that he should be satisfied just
by being in shinhwa, but in comparison to them, kim dongwan and shin hyesung
seemed to earnestly try and make a change in image but their album release
was just the substitute to the start of their loss in “outside activities”
and simply they returned to the name ‘Shinhwa’ to earn some money, nothing
else.

我之所以強烈認為他們只是為了錢而演唱的明星的最大原因是，他們選擇發行專輯的
時間。Eric和他怒目的雙眼經常出現在一個很流行的短劇演出（我認為是指Sunday
is good），Andy用他那簡單重複又可笑的句子出現在喜劇裏，Junjin單調的表演會
讓你質疑在地球上他為什麼要演戲，以M為名發行一張專輯的Minwoo卻只有在神話組合
裏才能受到肯定。但和他們相比，Dongwan和Hyesung看起來最早的嘗試了想像上的
轉變，但他們專輯的發行（東萬有發專輯？？？）也只是為了表明出他們活動之外的
失敗的開始。簡單的說，只有當他們返回“神話”時，用“神話”的名字時，他們才
能掙錢。除此之外，別我其他。

For those that would ask about the musical quality of this album, I will
comment on just one song ‘Brand New’. If I comment on this song saying
that it’s the most conventional song from a conventional dance group as
an excuse, then it would be foremost because the song is very title-song-ish
and the continuous repetition of the melody. If I read what the fans reviewed
it as, its just that in the final bits kim dongwan and shin hyesung’s
screaming vibration make them excited and although the vocals have in fact
improved a lot because of trying to put in raps here and there on purpose
in the end there is no climax and only a banging synthesising drum sound
and strange string type music, and seems to be worse than the 5th album
which at least expanded the genre. I’m very sorry to eric from which the
album jacket says that he wrote the rap, but I can only feel the amount of
work put into forcing rap into the songs. Furthermore if you listen to
other tracks it seems as if this track doesn’t even suit the albums
personality. An album should at least have some sort of big picture but
the tracks seem to play separately.

對於關於這張專輯音樂質量的問題，我只想評論其中的一首歌：Brand New。
我非常抱歉的說，這首歌不過是一個最普通的舞蹈組合所唱出的最普通的一首歌，
它只不過是在不停重複一段旋律而已。如果我讀了歌迷們所作的評論，它就是在
結尾是混和了Dongwan和Hyesung吼叫而使歌迷感到興奮而已。雖然主唱的水平確實
有了提高，但不過是因為加進了rap。而且整首歌沒有高潮，只有合成的鼓聲和
奇怪的弦樂，比第五輯時所表現的音樂風格還要糟糕。我對於Eric所寫的rap感到
非常抱歉，但我仍能感覺到他很努力的想把rap強加入到歌曲當中。而且，當我聽
其他歌時，我覺得那些都不是和這張專輯的風格。一張專輯應該至少有一個大的方向，
但這些歌卻給人感覺很散。

In order to develop their music, they even moved management only to bring
out a similar tempo to SM and although producer park ken tae took part in
some of the melody composing, and although it was different to park ken
tae’s usual soft melodies, but that doesn’t mean a few melodies can lead
a song or a few songs can lead an album.

為了發展他們的音樂，他們甚至運用同SM相近的音樂模式。雖然Park Kentae（製作人）
參與了這張專輯的創作，雖然這不同於Park以往柔和音樂的風格，但這並不意味著這些
音樂可以引領一整張專輯。

I’m not comparing Seo Taiji and Shinhwa, but at least if they want to make
the album as famous as they can and show off their musical talent that much
then you cant just limit yourself to just different clothes and different
dancing. Just as I said earlier Shinhwa is a group that is the only
‘boy group’ that is doing very well whether they like it or not. Each of
their desires, like the acting that is so bad that it can’t even be called
that, if they’ve felt anything from these, I’m curious to whether they
want to leave the confinements of the ‘boy band’ and really be a long
term musician with actual music talents. Since they debuted in 1998, if
they could at least play a little piano each then at least none of this
type of “great development” of putting in self composed songs would have
happened. As much as they received such a huge sum of money to stay
together till the end, and the act of expecting them to sell over 100
thousand copies with this kind of album in this kind of times, is just as I
 had said above, is soley because that there is no other ‘boy band’ like
them, and this fact is regrettable.

我並不是在對比徐太志和神話。但如果他們像是這張專輯成名並且表現他們的音樂
才能，他們至少應該由不同的服裝和舞蹈。經好像我前面所說的，神話只是一個很好
的男孩團體，不管他們是否承認。任何他們其他方面的發展，比如表演，都很糟糕，
根本不能成為表演。我很好奇他們是否想脫離男孩團體的限制，想做真正有才華的
音樂人。從1998年他們出道，如果他們至少應該彈點鋼琴，而不是像現在這樣作些
曲子就妄圖稱之為“大的拓展”。他們掙到大筆的錢，並期望專輯銷量可以達到
十萬張，正如我說的，沒有一個男孩團體可以做到這樣，我只能說事實是非常令人
遺憾的。

BreakNews.com, Jo Hyun Woo

source：Breaknews+Shinhwajj


轉自：韓流帝國+第六宣言

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→ fionawhc:原來腦殘媒體不是台灣特有XDDD
→ jillgod1982:是說這中文翻譯有些地方翻得怪怪的 看英文才看懂XD...
→ jillgod1982:btw 我是覺得寫樂評說專輯不好的話也就算了 但這篇
→ jillgod1982:太多人身攻擊和情緒字眼 讓我懷疑他純粹是眼紅XD...
推 jojombo:如果七輯真的這麼爛,為什麼很多人反而是從這張開始認識他괠
→ jojombo:們?莫名奇妙
→ jojombo:光是ERIC說他們做音樂的目的是想讓一些人得到快樂,光是這먠
→ jojombo:種心意想法,就不是賺大錢所能比的上了吧?
推 jillgod1982:說句現實的...大大現在真的要只為了賺大錢 大可丟著他
→ jillgod1982:五個哥們不管 他自己拍一支廣告都不知道賺多少...幹嘛
→ jillgod1982:還要準備專輯 兩個主唱也是啊 自己賣還不用share...
推 mintsnow:坦白說少部份值得深思 但主觀和情緒性字眼太多...容易造
→ mintsnow:成反感。
→ jillgod1982:神話從來就是打著"流行文化"的旗幟 要拿這點電他們 那
→ jillgod1982:半個歌壇的歌手都不用混了 難不成還要跟三大男高音比?
推 hanijun:最後由神話得到了大賞就是打了這作者一巴掌   (為反而反)
推 smolu:他這裡說Andy的喜劇指的是反轉劇嗎？他的翻譯有點怪
→ jillgod1982:應該是non-stop....就是那句冗長的台詞XD...這記者真ꨠ
→ jillgod1982:的閒...連nn4都有看~
推 novivi:徐太志是誰？說真的，我還第一次看到原文呢！趕快把brand
→ novivi:new拿出來聽，等一下寫寫心得，哈哈～
推 smolu:記者本來就很閒阿，不然哪來時間去跟蹤藝人，如果韓國的記者
→ smolu:不流行跟蹤藝人，那應該也只能已在家看電視或是到藝人出席的
→ jillgod1982:喔喔~聽韓樂的話一定要知道一下徐太志...韓國搖滾教主
→ smolu:場合充當一下FANS，但我想他其實是神話的FANS
推 sandraa:其實..就我個人而言覺得當神話離開了SM後拿到了大賞對於
→ jillgod1982:韓國國民歌手 發專輯連HOT都打不贏他..去年全年銷售
→ jillgod1982:冠軍也是徐太志~但我就不愛他的音樂 只能說青菜蘿蔔
→ sandraa:神話是一種非常大的肯定..因為就我看來..這是對於"神話"本
→ jillgod1982:各有所好  沒什麼好這樣比的...
→ sandraa:身這個團體的肯定..而不是對於一個長年被經紀公司培養的
→ sandraa:團體而給的肯定..不知道有沒有充分的表達我的看法^^
推 smolu:事情都過去了，我只希望神話一年比一年好ꄠ
推 kalagi:我也覺得大賞對於"神話"而言意義非凡 所以大家才會哭那麼慘