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再度跟各位虎視眈眈的酸民強調: 能不能拿冠軍不是拎北講的,不要栽贓拎北護航造神。 They just that good, 但是冠軍只有一個, 我才不會期待去年 .500 的勝率的球隊今年就會拿冠軍。 至於去年下半季是不是「近況」,全美國媒體自有公斷。 FEB 2 12:46PM ET Sixers contenders? Time to decide 七六人具備挑戰大位的能力了嗎?現在已經到了初步揭開黑盒子的時間了。 By Henry Abbott - ESPN.com http://tinyurl.com/897vehm Justin Kubatko, of Basketball-Reference, doesn't mess around with numbers. He doesn't get all excited about things that don't matter. And the other day in The New York Times he wrote: Basketball-Reference.com 專欄作家 Justin Kubatko, 在面對他手上的數據的時候他從來不會過度樂觀, 但也不會為了結論而硬湊。 但是那天他對紐約時報表示以下言論: There have been 38 teams in N.B.A. history with a point differential of at least plus-10.0 points a game through their first 18 games. The median winning percentage of those teams was .753, which translates to 49.7 wins over a 66-game season. Additionally, 24 of those teams advanced to the N.B.A. finals, with 19 claiming the championship. In short, mediocre teams do not go on extended runs in which they routinely outscored opponents by double-digit margins. If history serves as a guide, Philadelphia is a contender. 在NBA長久的歷史當中, 只有三十八支球隊能夠在前面十八場比賽能夠維持十分以上的淨勝分差。 他們總共平均有著 .753 的勝率,而且如果以本季的賽程長度來換算, 這些球隊平均可以在 66 場比賽拿到 49.7 場勝利。 而且,這當中有 24 支球隊能夠打進 NBA 總冠軍戰, 其中的十九支球隊拿下了冠軍。 長話短說,這代表著如果你只是個二流球隊, 那你是沒辦法常常把出場給對手迎頭痛擊, 把贏個十幾二十分當作吃飯睡覺一樣簡單。 如果歷史數據可以拿來當作參考, 那麼今年的七六人,顯然具備了挑戰冠軍的能力。 In other words, there are interesting numbers to suggest the Sixers are even money to win the title this year. Which is one nutty thing to suggest. On the other hand, half the teams that have started this hot in NBA history did not win the title. And there is good reason to suspect these Sixers may fall into that category. They have played just about the easiest schedule in the NBA. When they have played the power teams on the road they have generally lost -- at Portland, at Utah, at New York, and badly at Miami. They have also lost at home to the Nuggets and (gulp) Nets. 好我們來解釋一下這代表什麼: 從好得一方面來解釋,第三十九支達到這個標準的七六人, 跟歷史上曾經出現的這些球隊一樣有著一致的機會可以拿到總冠軍。 但是從另外衣方面解讀,有一半開季這麼火熱的隊伍, 卻沒有辦法最後贏得總冠軍。 這的確是全世界大部分球迷與媒體的心中, 對七六人比較Make sense的解釋,因為真的有很好的理由, 認為現在這支七六人的卻沒辦法達到這個高度。 他們有著全聯盟數一數二軟的 schedule, 而且當他們在客場面對比較強悍的球隊的時候常有著差強人意的表現, 例如在 last second 輸給拓荒者、爵士、尼克,還有大比分輸給熱火。 甚至在主場他們也在延長賽輸給了雞塊 (Iggy你給我去練習罰球!)還有籃網(..)。 The wins have come against the softest of the soft, and compromised teams. They beat the Pacers without Danny Granger or George Hill. They beat the Magic during their weird funk. The Sixers are also deep, with a high-octane bench attack starring Lou Williams, Thaddeus Young and Evan Turner. Maybe this is the team that has cracked the code on the lockout-shortened, condensed schedule -- an advantage that will fade in the playoffs, when every team gets adequate rest between games. 而贏球的比賽也不是沒得懷疑。 他們可能贏了一些軟柿子當中最軟的一些球隊,還有一些不是最佳狀況的球隊。 例如他們面對溜馬的時候,妙麗跟 George Hill是缺陣的。 他們面對魔術則是在他們剛成為奧蘭多五六人的這段時間。 不過七六人也不是全無本錢可言, 他們有著全聯盟最靠北的板凳,當中的成員包括了 Lou Williams, Thaddeus Young, Evan Turner。 但是:對七六人這樣的球隊而言, 縮水球季取得的優勢與較為輕鬆的行程在季後賽都是不存在的, 每一場比賽中間都是有day-off的,這些因素都可能讓七六人在季後賽倒下。 Put it all together, and you have to wonder about projecting titles based on their margin of victory. You simply can't see them hanging with the likes of the Bulls and the Heat in the East. Or, at least, you couldn't, until Wednesday night: 好吧,把這些因素加總進去考慮, 你可能會趕到好奇,基於勝分差的考慮把他們加入冠軍實力者的考慮名單是否妥當。 甚至他們還沒有展現出如何對抗像是公牛與熱火這樣的東區強隊。 但是現在建議你看看這個: (七六人對公牛 highlight片段,七六人98比82大勝公牛,點原文有影片) You can discount the win because of the injured Luol Deng. But it was still a rare blowout of the Bulls, who have been excellent even without Deng. And the Sixers are missing the star of their early success: Spencer Hawes. The Bulls are one of the NBA's best defensive teams, which tends to keep games close even when their own shots aren't falling. But even without a go-to interior scorer -- really on the basis of spacing and guard penetration -- the Sixers rattled off big runs. A 16-2 run is often big enough to win a game, and the Sixers had one of those in the first half. Later they added runs of 6-0, 11-1 and 13-5. In contrast, the Bulls' best run was 10-2, and came in garbage time. 當然你可以強調這隻牛少了他們超級穩定的滷蛋(Luol Deng), 但是毫無疑問的,七六人面對公牛打出了一場貨真價實的blowout game, 而這隻球隊在少了滷蛋仍然能夠在東區維持掛頭牌的競爭力。 而且,七六人也不是沒少什麼東西, 他們失去了他們的高位戰術中心,進攻效率的重要指標:鼠王Spencer Hawes。 公牛是全聯盟防守最好的球隊之一, 他們在還能把球投進籃框的時候,他們總是能把比分咬住, 不至於失去他們的競爭力。 但是因為他們失去了大心臟的得分機器 (基於他們的的後衛群有著極強的切入能力,這在進攻陣型上的傷害不可謂不大) 七六人抓住機會狂打公牛腳痛,打開了高潮。 一個 16-2 的攻勢通常就足夠瓦解對手迎接勝利, 七六人上半場打了一波 16-2, 下半場又分別打了 6-0, 11-1, 13-5三波高潮。 公牛最大的一波高潮是一波10-2,但是那是第四節垃圾時間的事情了。 The Bulls simply didn't know how to beat this young, athletic, selfless team that is going hard every second at both ends of the floor. The Sixers don't turn the ball over much at all, they resist the urge to foul. Their best player, Andre Iguodala, is suddenly hitting shots like crazy. However hard it has been to believe numbers that say the Sixers are serious contenders, it's getting easier now. 這隻牛看起來完全找不到七六人的任何一絲空隙, 他們面對這支年輕、有活力/運動能力且無私的球隊顯得一籌莫展, 七六人在攻守兩端貫徹始終,不放棄任何一秒的打法讓公牛顯得有氣無力。 而且費城沒有犯錯,從頭到尾都沒什麼失誤,也沒有給出任何愚蠢的犯規。 他們陣中毫無疑問最好的球員 Andre Iguodala, 在球隊需要他的時候,如雷霆萬鈞一般挺身而出瘋狂取分(按:在第三節開始連拿七分) 如果只有看之前的數據讓你難以相信七六人是個奪冠的有力競爭者, 那現在應該可以讓你對這支球隊認真看待。 And it matters. It really matters. Here are two of the big questions the Sixers' early success raises: 而且這不只是推論,他們真的有這個實力。 但是這裡有兩個重要的問號值得大家對這支七六人的成功有所考慮: Still rebuilding? This team was in the middle of being rebuilt. (The team's big promise to fans in the preseason: Cheaper tickets!) The two big contracts -- Andre Iguodala and Elton Brand -- featured in rumors all over the place. And I would have to think that's still plan A. This cute little winning streak plays perfectly, inflating the entire roster's value. The new owners have better cards to play than ever. Unless it's more than just a cute little winning streak. Unless this team really is built, right now, to beat the likes of the Bulls in a playoff series. In which case, why on earth would you touch anything? 七六人真的重建完了? (當賣方?) 之前的七六人看起來像是正在重建之中的球隊。 (新老闆對球迷這個球季最大的保證:我們有更便宜的票~~ ╮(╯_╰)╭ ) 球隊當中最高薪的兩位key player: EB 跟 AI9 顯然出現在所有的謠言論壇中。 而且我懷疑也許交易掉他們的key player仍然是制服組的A計畫。 目前本季七六人取得這可愛的小小成功,也許正好是制服組的好機會, 因為他們整個陣容的交易價值都上升了。 現在新老闆 Joshua Harris 手上有更多的好牌讓他可以在交易市場大顯身手。 但是,麻煩再多考慮一下,七六人真的還要當賣方? 現在這個團隊完成了不只是一波小小的高潮, 他們已經有了強隊的雛型, 也許已經足以在季後賽的殿堂當中擊敗像是公牛一般的對手, 如果這些都不是幻覺,現在的七六人在地表上面應該很少有真正作不到的事情。 (按:無疑表示,現在拆散這組核心是愚蠢的) A good team to join? Let's take this even one step further. If the Sixers really do have a young team that shares the ball, competes hard at both ends, listens to the coach, looks out for each other, and wins a ton ... that sounds a lot like the Thunder East. Throw in a top-five market with a rich basketball history, and you're talking about the kind of team a superstar might want to force their way to. Dwight Howard, for instance, would be joining athletic committed defenders who would be only too happy to have a real post presence on the offensive end. It's hard to imagine having your choice of the Nets and Sixers and picking the Nets, the way things are going on the court right now. Teams seldom coalesce the way the Sixers already have. 七六人對大牌球星有任何的吸引力嗎? (當買方?) 讓我們認真考慮一下, 如果七六人真的有一個善於分享進攻、攻守兩端都百分之百專注、 受教、互相提醒與合作、並且贏了一拖拉庫的比賽... 這聽起來很像是東區的雷霆。 如果七六人想要在這個史上可能前五的買方市場裡面釣大魚, 那必須就要先確定七六人對於真正的Superstar到底有沒有吸引力。 就拿Dwight Howard舉例好了, 他也許會感到異常興奮, 因為如果他加入一群年輕且能力已經被認證的防守球員之中, 他會是唯一且貨真價實的post up guy(這當然會讓他感到高興)。 而且其實很容易理解,如果今天他必須在籃網跟七六人當中任選一個, 用膝蓋想也知道他會加入七六人, 因為一個普通的球隊很難達到現在七六人程度的成熟團隊,也許就只差一個什麼。 Everything in the preceding two paragraphs can be seen as various forms of jumping the gun. Those are decisions that echo for decades, and this team has been good for about five weeks. The smart thing is to conclude nothing, for now. But the pressing thing is that there's only six weeks, before the March 15 trade deadline. Over this next month-and-a-half, the Sixers could defy Kubatko's projections and become the average team everybody thought they were going to be. They could, in other words, rejoin the majority of teams essentially waiting for a miracle. 這兩種可能方案看起來差異巨大且充滿誘惑,但是七六人已經走在這個關鍵點。 他們做出的任何決定,都可能影響接下來的十年。 但是如果你的球隊已經累積了至少五個禮拜的成功, 那最聰明的事情就是拜託不要碰他,讓子彈繼續飛一會兒,至少現在不要。 但是媒體在 3/15 交易截止日之前的六個禮拜是不會放過他們的。 在這一個半月當中,七六人官方當然可以無視 Kubatko 的預測, 而選擇讓他們的球隊變得跟原本大家所想得一樣平凡。 他們當然可以選擇加入原本那個持續等待奇蹟的大集團,期待這個跟那個發生。 (按:指的是現在當一個賣方是愚蠢的) Or they could keep playing beyond everyone's expectations, and create their own miracle right here, right now, this season -- either by keeping up what they have been doing, making advantageous trades or, unthinkable a few weeks ago, getting their hooks into a fully empowered superstar like Dwight Howard. The Heat come to town on Friday. If the Sixers win that one too, it'll be easy to start thinking very big. 但是他們當然能夠選擇繼續打破更多人的眼鏡, 而且在此時此刻「自行創造奇蹟」,沒錯就是現在,在此,這個球季, 他們可以選擇繼續作他們已經做的很好的事情, 或者在核心不受損的情況下,迎來另外一個像是Dwight Howard的超級巨星。 熱火將會在星期五造訪費城(美國時間,也就是台北時間明天早上), 如果七六人能夠贏得這場比賽的勝利,他們當然可以開始為今年的總冠軍, 好好思考一下到底該怎麼作。 The only thing that's certain about all that is that the big decisions will have to be made very soon, long before it's at all certain how good this team really is. 但是無論七六人想要作什麼重大決定,都必須快。 光陰不等人,交易截止日一下子就過去了, 在眾人理解到七六人真正的實力之前,就必須做出抉擇。 UPDATE: Jeff Fogle of Hoopdata e-mails an important follow-up: We'll know more on March 1st. Friday vs. Miami Saturday at Atlanta Monday vs. the Lakers Wednesday vs. the Spurs Friday vs. the Clippers Saturday at Cleveland The Magic, Mavericks, Timberwolves, Grizzlies, Rockets and Thunder all follow in February. 補充說明: Hoopdata.com的專欄作家 Jeff Fogle 有來信補充一些重點 在三月一號之前,七六人是龍是虎,應該就會明朗, 原因是他們接下來的賽程會更具有鑑別度。 Fri vs Miami Sat @ Atlanta Mon vs LA Lakers Fri vs LA Clippers Sat @ Cleveland 而在這段賽程之後,二月七六人還會碰到以下對手: 魔術、小牛、灰狼、灰熊、火箭、雷霆Not tough at all in terms of the fatigue of back-to-backs ... but very tough in terms of good teams in the mix and two road sequences. Philly has played 14 home games and only eight road games so far. 當然不是每一場都很硬,畢竟沒有太多疲累的B2B賽程, 但是這畢竟是要對上各式各樣不同的強隊,並且有兩段連續的客場賽程。 七六人目前打了14場主場(聯盟第一多)但是卻只有八場客場。 Philly's getting lumped in with some super teams that had much tougher paths to +10.0 or better in differential. How much would the math sink if Philly played Indiana's schedule to start things off (seven home games, 14 road games so far, but a 15-6 record that includes road wins at Chicago, Lakers, Boston, and Orlando)? I've been waiting for this gauntlet to arrive to get a better sense of Philly's playoff potential. Glad it's finally here! 費城目前對上某些強大的對手感到艱難, 面對這樣高強度的賽程,這應該對他們目前領先聯盟的兩位淨勝分有所影響。 如果七六人打得賽程如同溜馬一般強硬(形容二月那段賽程真的很硬), 試想看看,如果七六人去打溜馬的賽程,他們漂亮的勝分差會下降多少呢? (原按:溜馬到現在只有打七場主場,卻打了14場客場, 但是他們也是有著15-6的戰績,並且在客場可以對公牛、湖人、賽爾提克、魔術取勝) (譯按:原作者的意思是,如果七六人挺過這段時間仍然能保持他們的數字, 就代表他們有足夠的資格成為一個實質意義上的冠軍競爭者。) 我正在等待七六人經過這段時間的表現與成長, 這能夠初步判定七六人在季後賽能走得多遠。 在此祝福他們能夠成為真正意義上的冠軍實力者! -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 220.129.113.64
DarkChilles:我還以為是糗爺 02/03 10:46
※ 編輯: willyt 來自: 220.129.113.64 (02/03 10:49)
DarkChilles:不過我們開季的客場巡禮應該也算恐怖? 02/03 10:52
willyt:時間點不同,我們剛結束我們最甜的賽程XD 02/03 10:57
willyt:剛剛翻這篇越翻越有氣 02/03 11:06
willyt:米國人自家球員有表現都可以毫不吝嗇讚美 02/03 11:06
willyt:台灣球迷讚美一下自家球員就是自嗨造神 02/03 11:06
willyt:然後寫了不看,翻了不看,到最後又在總板推說 02/03 11:07
willyt:「七六人是個迷」,「不知道在強三小」 02/03 11:07
willyt:回幾句要他們閉嘴就說好大的官威,這不是鄉愿北七是什麼? 02/03 11:07
willyt:就儘管擊墜吧,當擊墜成為事實,DPOY落入Iggy手上的時候 02/03 11:08
willyt:我等著看他們怎麼把話吞回去 02/03 11:08
willyt:可能在總板講自家球員講話就一定要是人氣球隊球迷的專利囉 02/03 11:09
Alipapa:有那麼氣?跟鄉(酸)民認真就輸了不是早就知道的事了嗎XDD 02/03 11:30
lisungyu:老實說,sixers沒有go to guy在季後賽會很有問題。 02/03 11:31
willyt:還是會不太甘心啦,說都不氣是騙人的 02/03 11:32
willyt:go to guy 我的想法是除非不用拆太多主要鎮陣容 02/03 11:32
willyt:不然交易其實沒什麼意義,何況來的人不一定能這麼適應 02/03 11:32
willyt:至於今年不重要阿,重要的是大家能穩健成長 02/03 11:33
willyt:要是Evan Turner 跟 Jrue Holiday 都能成長到go-to guy 02/03 11:33
willyt:的等級,那還需要怕三小XD 02/03 11:33
Alipapa:活塞奪冠那年也沒有明顯的go to guy 雖然很難但是要相信 02/03 11:38
garenas0:Iggy在明星賽票選連個影都看不到 囧 02/03 11:51
willyt:這不意外阿XD 02/03 11:51
garenas0:真想知道他到底拿了多少票 02/03 11:53
WBYY:跟他們認真,沒看球賽的一堆,連Lou退化都講得出來,幹笑翻了 02/03 13:07
WBYY:感覺Turner 可以成為 Go to guy 02/03 13:08
WBYY:如果同時跟Lou在上面 對面應該也不知到誰會來執行吧 02/03 13:08
hanway:Iggy可能會有教練票XD 02/03 13:23
willyt:官網那篇預測竟然只把Iguodala列在Wildcard (#‵′)凸 02/03 13:55
hanway:個人覺得這季這麼緊湊,讓他休息也好,暑假還要打美國隊咧 02/03 14:56
Alipapa:沒錯 最好沒人入選 好好休息 再得冠軍 嚇壞大家XDD 02/03 16:02
DarkChilles:雖然當年活塞的比賽很難看...不過他們的確是樣板之一. 02/03 17:04
DarkChilles:而且我覺得現在這一隊攻守更均衡 02/03 17:05
DarkChilles:X-factor太多了 02/03 17:05
DarkChilles:有人說Lou退化?!XD 我還想說他今年也太靠杯強 02/03 17:07
DarkChilles:反而是Jrue中規中矩的 02/03 17:08
cz:我不覺得現在的76人叫做攻守均衡 應該叫做攻守都"很強" XD 02/03 17:19
willyt:推都很強XD 02/03 17:20
cz:攻守在聯盟排名都差不多程度 叫做均衡 02/03 17:20
cz:但如果都排在前幾 應該超乎所謂的"均衡"了 均衡感覺不出來"好" 02/03 17:21
willyt:是「超好」XD 02/03 17:22
willyt:Offensive Rating: 104.5 (4th) 02/03 17:23
willyt:Defensive Rating: 91.7 (1st) 02/03 17:23
willyt:這是作者比較少著墨的地方,七六人在進階數據上面呈現 02/03 17:24
willyt:壓倒性的態勢,所以用攻守「均衡」有點低估了XD 02/03 17:24
willyt:不過作者的結論沒有疑問,要成功必須先證明在二月的賽程 02/03 17:25
willyt:七六人能夠維持自己的競爭力 02/03 17:25
DarkChilles:說均衡比較低調XD 像沒人進明星賽也不會覺得特別可惜 02/03 17:26
DarkChilles:AST跟TO也超變態 ORR低落是因為沒子彈撿嗎(?) 02/03 17:30
willyt:這可能是其一(TS%跟eFG%高),但是也許是Doug對OReb放手 02/03 17:31
willyt:之前bri有翻譯一篇有關於NBA傳統刻板印象的文章 02/03 17:31
willyt:就有講到 Oreb 好像沒這麼重要,但是 Dreb 靠北重要 02/03 17:32
momofishj:推! 02/03 22:05