[文化]足球分裂了西班牙?!

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作者: Catalan (下里巴黎歐洲冠軍人) 看板: FCBarcelona
標題: [文化]足球分裂了西班牙?!
時間: Fri May  5 03:18:26 2006



這篇講的是足球還有加泰隆尼亞的現況

(Oleguer真的有要去世界杯嗎?!)

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,1764504,00.html

Catalans' goal divides Spain

Football pride fuels drive for autonomy

Giles Tremlett in Madrid
Sunday April 30, 2006
The Observer


The Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero is not
used to being jeered at by his own Socialist party faithful, but
that was what happened when he boasted that a Spanish soccer team
would win the Champions League.

The problem was not the boast, which stands a good chance of being
proved correct when Barcelona take on Arsenal in the Paris final,
but where he chose to say it. Zapatero was talking to several thousand
Socialists in the Madrid suburb of Carabanchel. Those booing him were
mostly supporters of Real Madrid - bitter rivals of the prime
minister's beloved Barcelona. The jeers were not just about football,
though. They were also a reminder that the political relationship
between Madrid and Barcelona - or the region it sits in, Catalonia
 - has become Zapatero's biggest headache.

FC Barcelona, led by Brazilian star Ronaldinho, likes to claim it
is 'more than just a club': to some of its fans, it is a symbol of
Catalonia. 'Barcelona is much more than a football club, and being
a Barca supporter means not just supporting the club,' the defender
Oleguer Presas explained recently. 'To defend Barca is to defend
Catalonia.'
(http://www.xtratime.org/forum/showpost.php?p=3962558&postcount=616 來一張XD)

The right back is a hero to fans, precisely because, in a team full
of players from Brazil, Holland and Cameroon, he is one of just a
handful of Catalan players. Oleguer is also part of a growing number
of Catalans who would like to see Catalonia recognised as a country
in its own right.

And it is Catalonia that has been Zapatero's biggest problem in his
two years of government. A new autonomy charter, designed to dampen
nationalist ardour by transferring new powers to Barcelona, has led
to months of tense wrangling in the Spanish parliament. It finally
got parliamentary approval last month, and is now being reviewed by
the Senate. It must be put to a referendum among Catalan voters in
the summer.

Among other concessions, the charter gives Catalonia a greater share
of income tax and other tax revenue collected in the region and a
greater say over the court system, which is controlled from Madrid.
In a roundabout way, it also refers to Catalonia as 'a nation'. The
process of negotiating that charter saw the conservative opposition
People's Party, and powerful voices from within the ranks of Zapatero's
own Socialists, launch a ferocious campaign against giving away any more
powers from Madrid to Barcelona.

Last week the People's Party called on Zapatero to allow all Spaniards
to vote in the referendum. The party sent vans carrying 900 boxes with
a national referendum petition signed by four million Spaniards - 10 per
cent of the population - to the parliament.

Zapatero saw his standing in the polls seriously damaged by the Catalan
issue earlier this year. A ceasefire by the Basque terrorist group Eta
has seen support rise again, but he is now keen to get the charter
sorted as soon as possible. Some saw the shadow of the Catalan deal
hanging over a cabinet reshuffle carried out by Zapatero a few weeks
ago. One of his most popular ministers, Defence Minister Jose Bono,
left the cabinet to spend more time with his family. Observers pointed
out that Bono had been one of the government's strongest opponents of
Catalan autonomy.

His successor, Antonio Alonso, this week replaced the army chief of
staff, General Jose Antonio Garcia Gonzalez, in what was considered
a further knock-on of the Catalan affair. This followed an outburst
by Lt Gen Jose Mena Aguado, who warned that the army might intervene
if Catalonia gained more power. Mena was placed under house arrest and
later dismissed. Garcia was lukewarm in criticism of his subordinate
and eventually paid for that with his job.

The fury with which the Catalan autonomy plans have been received in
Madrid and elsewhere contrast with the comparative calm in Barcelona
itself. Catalans, without indulging in the sort of violence that has
seen Eta kill more than 800 people over the past four decades, are
past masters at negotiating autonomy.

Even separatists like FC Barcelona's Oleguer speak more radically
than they act. The full-back was invited to join the national squad
for training earlier this year, provoking speculation that he would
refuse to turn up on the basis that he was not Spanish. But he did,
and may be playing for Spain in the World Cup.

It was a sign that football, sometimes, is more important to Catalans
than politics. They will be happy to get a new statute of autonomy,
but they'll be even happier to see Ronaldinho, Eto'o and Oleguer raise
the Champions League trophy in Paris next month. Right now Arsenal,
not Madrid, is the enemy.

Catalonia in brief

· Medieval Catalonia united with northern Spain in 1137. With the
declaration of nd republic, it became an autonomous region under
Francesc Macia in 1931 but a revolution for total independence failed
three years later.

· Catalan is a Romance language derived from the Latin spoken in the
area, which was occupied by the Romans in the 3rd century BC. The first
Catalan texts date to the 12th century AD. Dictator General Franco banned
official use of the language in 1939.

· After Franco's death in 1975, Catalonia became one of 17 autonomous
 communities that constitute Spain; a population of 6.8 million inhabits
the region.

· Catalans of note include Salvador Dali, Joan Miro and Antoni Gaudi.

· Catalonia has its own police force - the Mossos d'Esquadra.

· One third of Spain's wines come from the region.


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所以下一件在巴塞隆納買的球衣就是Oleguer.
http://web.lavanguardia.es/mtk/20041220/LVG200412200043dbI001.jpg175.jpg
(How're you doin'....:P)


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作者: JasonPlus (羅尼我們討厭你請滾蛋 掰) 看板: Spain
標題: Re: [文化]足球分裂了西班牙?!
時間: Fri May  5 22:11:19 2006


有點太穿鑿附會了
西班牙人對於加泰隆尼亞獨立問題 沒有那麼容易約分成對足球隊的喜好而已
巴薩的支持者也不是全加泰隆尼亞人 就算是也不是就全支持獨立
相反的 RM的也不是就是那麼堅守大西班牙政治理念的

說實話啦  很多市井小民每天看足球愛足球
談到政治 就管你去死的 XD.....不像台灣大家都是政治狂 每天黃金時段都是政論節目...

作為總理 任何一支西班牙球隊進軍決賽 他本就該那樣發言
更何況 本來就贏面很高  XD
如果他沒說些話  恐怕他真的要被罵成豬頭吧


足球是把西班牙分裂了 但是不是政治上的分裂 是大家對於足球隊伍認同都是非常死忠的
因為足球是全民運動 每個人都有自己喜歡的球隊啊
西班牙球隊不知凡幾 不是說非巴薩的球迷就是皇馬的
人家馬約卡alicante的球迷熱血起來也不輸我們 :))

有一件事情是真的 那就是巴薩迷跟皇馬迷互不爽 那已經是傳統了 XD
不過可不是因為加薩代表加泰隆尼亞文化 而 加泰龍尼亞在爭取獨立
所以皇馬的才會不爽加薩 而是
看球賽 沒找敵對隊伍的"茶包".....那怎麼會開心呢 你說是吧..:P
皇馬迷不是那麼沒風度
大家也都是很期待拿冠軍的
嘴巴上當然要嘀咕一兩句啦 例如: "要是咱家皇馬去巴黎就穩了" (嘿嘿嘿XD)
皇馬沒去 巴薩去 那當然是幫巴薩加油啦..難不成還幫阿申納嗎...

足球就足球 跟政治扯在一起 記者先生就把咱們想太複雜了
那麼想跑政治線 應該去跟老編遊說換組去..:)

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: ※ [本文轉錄自 FCBarcelona 看板]
: 作者: Catalan (下里巴黎歐洲冠軍人) 看板: FCBarcelona
: 標題: [文化]足球分裂了西班牙?!
: 時間: Fri May  5 03:18:26 2006
: 這篇講的是足球還有加泰隆尼亞的現況
: (Oleguer真的有要去世界杯嗎?!)
: http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,1764504,00.html



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※ 編輯: JasonPlus       來自: 82.158.80.177        (05/05 22:31)
推 milagrosme:Good~!!
推 Catalan:本篇中肯!
※ 編輯: JasonPlus       來自: 82.158.80.177        (05/06 02:20)
推 mikiecat:反對！我老師可是馬德里球迷，但他絕對不希望巴薩贏