→ chian1983:有高速翻譯嗎XD 08/18 00:34
推 littlecut:看不懂= = 08/18 00:34
→ packie:樓上那篇是6666篇耶～QQ 08/18 00:35
推 iamsjkla:要博士演的翻譯嗎XD 08/18 00:38
推 chian1983:四樓那又是另外一篇需要翻譯的文章 08/18 00:39
→ panghu:看不懂 +1 08/18 00:39
推 lboevceky:看到最後一句...(抖) 08/18 00:41
推 ps050097589:譯官 ＠＠/ 08/18 00:41
→ packie:我可以幫忙翻譯最後一句......XD 08/18 00:42
推 ryanlin311:內外眼牆共存強度是減弱中,若外眼牆收縮取代內眼牆 08/18 00:40
推 iamsjkla:Best wishes to our friends in Taiwan..... 08/18 00:43
→ ps050097589:願祝我們在台灣的朋友.....(抖) 08/18 00:43
推 lboevceky:它好像還用卡翠娜當作例子? 08/18 00:44
→ ryanlin311:如Kartrina登錄前有類似情形 08/18 00:43
推 markbex:最後一句最簡翻譯：............. 天佑台灣人民 08/18 00:44
推 goldmark:雙眼牆創造了第二強風圈 半徑可能比原本單眼牆的還要大 08/18 00:47
→ goldmark:第一點應該是指颱風眼半徑吧 08/18 00:48
→ goldmark:2.如果內眼牆崩潰，則颱風眼半徑則會加大很多 08/18 00:50
→ goldmark:颱風眼半徑加大應該是指第二點才對 囧 08/18 00:50
→ rivali:反正就是說跟K一樣都是內眼未完全崩潰就登陸的情形 08/18 00:50
→ goldmark:3.即使內眼牆沒有崩潰，眼牆的強度也會減弱。 08/18 00:52
→ rivali:至於內外眼牆 (外眼牆變廣之事) 我覺得是米國少見多怪 08/18 00:51
推 skn60694:大概就是說如果雙眼登陸強風區很大喔 要注意 08/18 00:56
推 goldmark:整篇應該是說不管是單一或雙重眼牆 都要做好防颱準備 08/18 00:58
→ goldmark:因為卡崔那登陸(landfall)前也是雙眼牆並存的狀態 08/18 00:59
推 chemevil:請教這個例子形成雙眼牆的原因呢? 08/18 01:00
推 Bioee:至少台灣不會把城市蓋在海平面下...... 08/18 01:14
→ cuteman0725:現在好像也還在雙眼牆中... 08/18 01:18
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作者: dix (無情男) 看板: TY_Research
標題: Re: [討論] 對Sepat雙眼牆的見解(From國外學者)
時間: Sat Aug 18 01:08:29 2007
大概翻一下，有錯請指正，括弧就是不確定
: ----------------------------------------------------------------------
: Sepat provides another stunning example of the quandary facing the TC
: warning community.
: 1. Double eyewalls create a secondary wind max, potentially at a much
: larger radius than the original single eyewall.
雙眼牆颱風有第二個最大風速（wind max），其半徑範圍可能比原本單眼牆時大
: 2. If the inner eye collapses, the radius of max winds makes a step jump
: to a much larger radius.
內眼牆若崩潰，最大風速（max winds）半徑範圍會跳躍式上升
: 3. Even if the inner eye does not collapse, it typically becomes much
: weaker.
即使內眼牆沒崩潰，也會變弱
: In both scenarios, the secondary eyewall and its associated high winds
: present a radically expanded wind field for those in its path during
: landfall. Coastal warnings, preparations and the expectations of all
: folks in the landfall region must realize that max winds will NOT be
: contained within the "typical" small inner core that encompasses 10s of
: km, but now can be multiple times larger in size.
不管內眼牆崩不崩潰，外眼牆在登陸時會有強風及大範圍（跟單眼牆比），而且要小心，
跟一般颱風的十幾公里眼牆比幾來，大了好幾倍
: Hurricane Katrina is the classic case, since it was in double eyewall
: mode at landfall and did NOT collapse the inner eye AND shrink the 2nd
: eyewall back to replace the inner eye prior to landfall.
卡催那就是典型例子，她在登陸時仍是雙眼牆，內眼牆並沒有崩潰被置換至第二眼牆
: Thus, not only are we faced with the usual landfall timing and max
: intensity dilemmas, our need has now advanced to "what eyewall cycle
: stage will the storm be in at landfall"? This presents fascinating
: opportunities for research efforts on multiple fronts.
因此，現在不是只有看登陸時間和最大強度了，現在還要進步到看『颱風登陸時眼牆狀態
』：這是個值得研究的迷人課題之一
: Best wishes to our friends in Taiwan.
祝福在台灣的朋友
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→ chian1983:肛溫 08/18 01:09
※ 編輯: dix 來自: 59.117.217.226 (08/18 01:09)
→ rivali:你不確定那句番挫 08/18 01:11
推 KiYu:應該是指外眼牆縮回去形成單眼 所以內牆消失了?? 08/18 01:12
推 demitri:卡崔納那段 應該是說 [登陸前第二眼牆"沒有"取代內眼牆。] 08/18 01:11
→ rivali:樓上對 08/18 01:13
→ dix:那句感覺前後矛盾，我也不了，請高手解釋囉 08/18 01:14
推 demitri:not修飾後面整段-->NOT[collapse the inner...AND shrink] 08/18 01:17
→ demitri:所以是內眼牆既沒崩潰, 第二眼牆也沒取代內眼牆 08/18 01:18
推 KiYu:哈 謝謝r兄和d兄賜教<(_ _)> 08/18 01:18
※ 編輯: dix 來自: 59.117.217.226 (08/18 01:21)
推 dix:感謝d兄，果然通順多了 08/18 01:22
→ rivali:我亂玩ㄉ:P 在登陸時仍擁有雙眼牆的卡翠那就是個經典例子, 08/18 01:24
→ rivali:她的內眼牆沒有崩潰且外眼牆沒有收縮內眼牆就登陸了. 08/18 01:25
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作者: IanLi (IanLi) 看板: TY_Research
標題: Re: [討論] 對Sepat雙眼牆的見解(From國外學者)
時間: Sat Aug 18 01:30:28 2007
※ 引述《ryanlin311 (ryan)》之銘言：
: 國外也注意到聖帕持續很長一段的雙眼牆觀測
: 以下是NRL(Naval Research Laboratory, Monterey, USA)
: 的一些看法,其中聖帕內眼牆是否完全崩潰,在強度上可能也些
: 有不同的變化.其中Katrina就是很好的例子
: ----------------------------------------------------------------------
: Sepat provides another stunning example of the quandary facing the TC
: warning community.
面對熱帶氣旋警報上，有關令人困惑的現象，Sepat提供了另一個漂亮的例子
: 1. Double eyewalls create a secondary wind max, potentially at a much
: larger radius than the original single eyewall.
在雙眼牆結構上，在風力分布上有另一個強風區，可能在原來的眼牆外
有另一個半徑更大眼牆
: 2. If the inner eye collapses, the radius of max winds makes a step jump
: to a much larger radius.
若內眼牆崩潰，強風區的分布半徑會跳躍到外眼牆上
: 3. Even if the inner eye does not collapse, it typically becomes much
: weaker.
即使內眼牆沒崩潰，也會趨於減弱
: In both scenarios, the secondary eyewall and its associated high winds
: present a radically expanded wind field for those in its path during
: landfall. Coastal warnings, preparations and the expectations of all
: folks in the landfall region must realize that max winds will NOT be
: contained within the "typical" small inner core that encompasses 10s of
: km, but now can be multiple times larger in size.
在這兩個案例中，外眼牆和伴隨的環狀風場在登錄過程中，會讓警報和登陸地區的
民眾會發現到，最強的風力並不是環繞在數十公里大的內眼牆上，而是原先預期數
倍大
: Hurricane Katrina is the classic case, since it was in double eyewall
: mode at landfall and did NOT collapse the inner eye AND shrink the 2nd
: eyewall back to replace the inner eye prior to landfall.
颶風Katrina是一精典例子，在登陸時，內眼牆並沒崩潰且外眼牆也沒收縮而取代原
先的眼牆
: Thus, not only are we faced with the usual landfall timing and max
: intensity dilemmas, our need has now advanced to "what eyewall cycle
: stage will the storm be in at landfall"? This presents fascinating
: opportunities for research efforts on multiple fronts.
因此，不只我們要面對登陸的時機和強度的難題，並要思考在登陸時眼牆的結構
是哪樣？這議題是個迷人的機會去研究相關效應
: Best wishes to our friends in Taiwan.
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推 Zeel:IanLi翻得比我好多了（汗顏） 08/18 01:31
推 Jerrynet:"責任聲明：本內容僅供參考" 08/18 01:32
→ Jerrynet:"精"典例子 08/18 01:32
推 ipspro:氣象局圖很像在畫太極 雙P眼可怕 08/18 01:34
推 logdog:大概是股票版的常客 08/18 01:38
XD手滑了 按錯了
→ rivali:ㄏㄏ 內眼掰ㄌ 白翻了XD 08/18 01:39
→ seeback:接觸陸地造成眼牆崩潰？ 08/18 01:58
※ 編輯: IanLi 來自: 140.115.205.209 (08/18 02:36)