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標題[轉錄][情報] 2009選秀預測(至03/16/2009為止)
時間Tue Mar 17 21:24:07 2009
※ [本文轉錄自 NBA 看板]
作者: gaiaesque (parhelia) 看板: NBA
標題: [情報] 2009選秀預測(至03/16/2009為止)
時間: Tue Mar 17 20:38:19 2009
這是nbadraft(
http://www.nbadraft.net)到今天為止所做出的預測
人數眾多我就只列熱門人選top10
1.Blake Griffin
Birthday: 3/16/89
NBA Position: Power Forward
Class: Sophomore
Ht: 6-10
Wt: 252
Hometown: Edmond, OK
High School: Oklahoma Christian
Season Averages
SEASON MIN PTS REB AST TO STL BLK PF FG% FT% 3P%
2007-2008 28.4 14.7 9.1 1.8 2.3 1.0 0.8 2.5 .568 .589 .000
2008-2009 33.0 21.9 14.3 2.3 3.4 1.2 1.3 2.5 .635 .591 .375
NBA Comparison: Charles Barkley/Carlos Boozer
整體評價:
運動力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ █ █ (10)
身材 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (8)
防守 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (8)
力量 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ █ █ (10)
靈敏 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (8)
領導力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (8)
跳投 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (8)
NBA Ready:
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (8)
籃板 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ █ (9)
潛力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ █ █ (10)
低位技巧 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (8)
無形能力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ █ (9)
Overall:104
2.Hasheem Thabeet
Birthday: 2/16/87
NBA Position: Center
Class: Junior
Ht: 7-3
Wt: 265
Hometown: Dar Es Salaam, Tanzania
High School: Cypress Comm.
Season Averages
SEASON MIN PTS REB AST TO STL BLK PF FG% FT% 3P%
2006-2007 24.6 6.2 6.4 .4 1.6 .2 3.8 2.6 .554 .513 .000
2007-2008 31.0 10.5 7.9 .4 1.8 .3 4.5 2.6 .603 .698 .000
2008-2009 32.5 13.7 10.9 .5 1.9 .6 4.6 2.5 .643 .622 .000
NBA Comparison: Dikembe Mutombo
整體評價:
運動力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (8)
身材 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ █ █ (10)
防守 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ █ █ (10)
力量 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (8)
靈敏 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (8)
領導力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆ (7)
跳投 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆ (7)
NBA Ready:
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (8)
籃板 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ █ (9)
潛力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ █ (9)
低位技巧 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆ (7)
無形能力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (8)
Overall:99
3.James Harden
Birthday: 8/26/89
NBA Position: Shooting Guard
Class: Sophomore
Ht: 6-5
Wt: 220
Hometown: Los Angeles, CA
High School: Artesia
Season Averages
SEASON MIN PTS REB AST TO STl BLK PF FG% FT% 3P%
2007-2008 34.1 17.8 5.3 3.2 2.6 2.1 .6 2.1 .527 .754 .407
2008-2009 35.8 20.8 5.5 4.2 3.4 1.7 .3 2.9 .502 .759 .368
NBA Comparison: Manu Ginobili
整體評價:
運動力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ █ (9)
身材 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆ (7)
防守 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ █ (9)
力量 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (8)
靈敏 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆ (7)
領導力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ █ (9)
跳投 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (8)
NBA Ready:
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (8)
控球能力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆ (7)
潛力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ █ (9)
傳球 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (8)
無形能力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ █ █ (10)
Overall:99
4.Ricky Rubio(未確定要參加選秀)
Birthday: 10/21/90
NBA Position: Point Guard
Class: International
Ht: 6-3
Wt: 180
Team: DKV Joventut
Hometown: El Masnou, Spain
Season Averages (列出近三季)
SEASON LEAGUE MIN PTS REB AST TO STl BLK PF FG% FT% 3P%
2006-07 EURO/ACB 18.9 4.2 2.7 2.5 2.5 2.7 .0 2.5 .375 .710 .226
2007-08 ERC/ACB 21.9 6.2 3.3 4.2 2.3 2.3 .0 2.6 .453 .785 .327
2008-09 EURO/ACB 17.1 5.9 2.4 4.5 2.5 1.9 .0 1.8 .367 .709 .398
NBA Comparison: Walt Frazier/Steve Nash
整體評價:
運動力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (8)
身材 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (7)
防守 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ █ (9)
力量 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆ (7)
靈敏 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (8)
領導力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ █ (9)
跳投 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ (6)
NBA Ready:
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆ (7)
控球能力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ █ (9)
潛力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ █ (9)
傳球 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ █ (9)
無形能力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ █ (9)
Overall:98
5.Jordan Hill
Birthday: 7/27/87
NBA Position: Power Forward
Class: Junior
Ht: 6-10
Wt: 235
Hometown: Atlanta, GA
High School: Patterson
Season Averages
SEASON MIN PTS REB AST TO STl BLK PF FG% FT% 3P%
2006-2007 14.1 4.7 4.1 .1 .7 .2 .9 1.8 .652 .447 .000
2007-2008 29.8 13.2 7.9 .8 2.1 .5 1.6 3.1 .620 .683 .000
2008-2009 35.8 18.5 11.0 1.4 2.8 .8 1.8 2.9 .548 .650 .000
NBA Comparison: Chris Bosh
整體評價:
運動力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ █ (9)
身材 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ █ (9)
防守 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ █ (9)
力量 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ (6)
靈敏 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ █ (9)
領導力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆ (7)
跳投 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ █ (9)
NBA Ready:
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆ (7)
籃板 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (8)
潛力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ █ (9)
低位技巧 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆ (7)
無形能力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆ (7)
Overall:96
6.Bradon Jennings
Birthday: 9/23/89
NBA Position: Point Guard
Class: International
Ht: 6-1
Wt: 170
Team: Virtus Roma
Hometown: Lakewood, CA
High School: Oak Hill Academy
Season Averages
SEASON LEAGUE MIN PTS REB AST TO STl BLK PF FG% FT% 3P%
2008-2009ITA/EURO 19 7.0 1.7 1.8 1.4 1.8 0.1 2.2 .386 .691 .228
NBA Comparison: Kenny Anderson
整體評價:
運動力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ █ █ (10)
身材 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (7)
防守 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ (6)
力量 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ (6)
靈敏 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ █ █ (10)
領導力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (8)
跳投 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (8)
NBA Ready:
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ (6)
控球能力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ █ (9)
潛力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ █ (9)
傳球 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ █ (9)
無形能力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ (6)
Overall:94
7.Gerald Henderson
Birthday: 12/9/87
NBA Position: Shooting Guard
Class: Junior
Ht: 6-4
Wt: 210
Hometown: Merion, PA
High School: Episcopal Acad.
Season Averages
SEASON MIN PTS REB AST TO STl BLK PF FG% FT% 3P%
2006-2007 19.3 6.8 2.9 1.1 1.3 .5 .3 1.4 .451 .627 .320
2007-2008 26.2 12.7 4.7 1.6 2.0 1.1 .9 2.1 .474 .669 .317
2008-2009 29.4 16.6 4.8 2.5 2.2 1.3 .8 1.7 .471 .744 .360
NBA Comparison: Latrell Sprewell
整體評價:
運動力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ █ (9)
身材 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (8)
防守 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆ (7)
力量 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (8)
靈敏 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ █ (9)
領導力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
(7)
跳投 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
(7)
NBA Ready:
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (8)
控球能力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆ (7)
潛力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (8)
傳球 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆ (7)
無形能力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (8)
Overall:93
8.Earl Clark
Birthday: 1/17/88
NBA Position: Small Forward
Class: Junior
Ht: 6-9
Wt: 230
Hometown: Rahway, NJ
High School: Rahway
Season Averages
SEASON MIN PTS REB AST TO STl BLK PF FG% FT% 3P%
2006-2007 16.0 5.9 3.8 .4 .8 .7 .4 1.2 .480 .597 .370
2007-2008 28.5 11.1 8.1 1.4 2.3 1.0 1.7 1.8 .476 .654 .227
2008-2009 34.3 14.0 8.8 3.2 3.2 1.1 1.5 1.8 .448 .656 .314
NBA Comparison: Boris Diaw/Danny Granger
整體評價:
運動力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ █ (9)
身材 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (8)
防守 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆ (7)
力量 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ █ (9)
靈敏 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (8)
領導力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅
(6)
跳投 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅
(6)
NBA Ready:
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (8)
控球能力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (8)
潛力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ █ (9)
傳球 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (8)
無形能力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
(7)
Overall:93
9.Chase Budinger
Birthday: 5/22/88
NBA Position: SG/SF
Class: Junior
Ht: 6-7
Wt: 218
Hometown: Carlsbad, CA
High School: La Costa Canyon
Season Averages
SEASON MIN PTS REB AST TO STl BLK PF FG% FT% 3P%
2006-2007 33.0 15.6 5.8 2.0 1.6 1.1 .4 1.7 .485 .845 .368
2007-2008 35.3 17.1 5.4 2.9 2.4 1.1 .2 1.9 .446 .718 .380
2008-2009 37.6 17.9 6.3 3.4 2.4 1.4 .4 1.8 .472 .818 .410
NBA Comparison: Brent Barry
整體評價:
運動力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ █ █ (10)
身材 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (8)
防守 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ (6)
力量 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆ (7)
靈敏 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (8)
領導力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (8)
跳投 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ █ (9)
NBA Ready:
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (8)
控球能力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ (6)
潛力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ █ (9)
傳球 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (8)
無形能力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (8)
Overall:95
10.Al-Farouq Aminu
Birthday: 9/21/90
NBA Position: Small Forward
Class: Freshman
Ht: 6-9
Wt: 215
Hometown: Norcross, GA
High School: Norcross
Season Averages
SEASON MIN PTS REB AST TO STL BLK PF FG% FT% 3P%
2008-2009 28.9 12.8 8.2 1.5 2.6 1.0 1.2 2.6 .511 .667 .167
NBA Comparison: Luol Deng/Shareef Abdur-Rahim
整體評價:
運動力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ █ (9)
身材 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ █ (9)
防守 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (8)
力量 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ (6)
靈敏 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (8)
領導力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
(7)
跳投 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (8)
NBA Ready:
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
(7)
控球能力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ (8)
潛力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆
▇ █ █ (10)
傳球 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆ (7)
無形能力 :
▁ ˍ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆ (7)
Overall:94
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推 passtset:先推再看 03/17 20:40
推 Fernandez05:推 03/17 20:41
推 k1453888:7-3聽起來就很威 Latrell Sprewell好久沒聽到的名字了... 03/17 20:42
推 hllwolfkhan:推推推推 03/17 20:42
推 zzahoward:盧比歐不是要來嗎?...XD國王哈的要死呢 03/17 20:43
推 BrentRoy:無形能力是什麼 囧" 03/17 20:43
推 JP1:可能會隱形吧 03/17 20:44
→ JP1:就像潔西卡艾芭 03/17 20:44
推 B1akeGriffin:應該是靈氣之類的 03/17 20:44
→ gaiaesque:樓上已經把id註冊好了喔...=.= 03/17 20:45
推 NewJerseyNet:借轉已預備選秀參考板 03/17 20:46
※ NewJerseyNet:轉錄至看板 Nets 03/17 20:46
推 qazxcvb:Jordan Hill這名字超威 03/17 20:47
推 hllwolfkhan:有一部分的人比我年輕...冏 03/17 20:49
→ gaiaesque:冥燈好幼齒=.= 03/17 20:51
推 stoudemire31:Rubio!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 03/17 20:51
推 ignativs:這樣看起來去年Beasley的數據真的狠猛 03/17 20:51
推 Nikezoomair:推!!專業!! 有些數據看起來不是很好.... 03/17 20:52
推 ignativs:而且Beasley年紀還跟Griffin一樣 03/17 20:54
→ szuta:Rubio跟Jennings的數據都很...嚇人 03/17 20:55
推 hllwolfkhan:裡面有10個人 有5個比我小... 03/17 20:55
推 bakingss:推!! 我收錄至精華區z→9→2→1喔!! 03/17 20:57
※ sk050607:轉錄至看板 Kings 03/17 20:57
推 jorden:老木接班人!!!!!!!!! 03/17 20:58
推 sk050607:借轉狀元版 03/17 20:58
※ 編輯: gaiaesque 來自: 218.171.123.248 (03/17 20:59)
推 lave70:Blake Griffin不是還有人拿郵差來跟他對比 03/17 21:00
推 ivanpisces:正常來說應該十個年紀都比我們小吧?! 03/17 21:00
推 kingroy:Rubio那個命中率還蠻不像歐洲後衛的 = = 03/17 21:01
→ gaiaesque:所以跳投很爛XD 03/17 21:02
推 lave70:Griffin的身材應該會比較接近郵差 當然要練才有那麼壯啦.. 03/17 21:04
推 gargoyles:借轉印地安那(?)溜馬(?)隊板 03/17 21:05
※ gargoyles:轉錄至看板 PACERS 03/17 21:05
推 regression:推 03/17 21:05
推 hllwolfkhan:請問一下Griffin會蓮花指外加墊腳小跑步嗎 03/17 21:05
→ lave70:揪竟要當MAN的傳人還是娘的傳人呢~~~ 03/17 21:06
推 olin7745:跳投才3成多跟nash差很多吧= =+ 03/17 21:08
推 evilAllen:借轉 觀念狼板 03/17 21:08
※ evilAllen:轉錄至看板 Timberwolves 03/17 21:09
推 lave70:不過Blake罰球要再多練練@@ 03/17 21:12
→ celestial318:看來後衛比較稀少 03/17 21:12
推 bobsorcerer:喬丹˙希爾!!!!!! 03/17 21:17
推 QooQ5566:Kenny Anderson ??????? WHO? 03/17 21:18
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→ hllwolfkhan:RUBIO比較像RONDO?? 03/17 21:21
推 toby005151:借轉雷霆板 03/17 21:23
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推 bule1212:好像都還不錯 03/17 22:34
推 kckt:Rubio態度尚未明朗之前 , 就讓莊家開個Griffin給雷霆吧 03/17 23:49
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推 gaiaesque:espn那個很舊... 03/18 07:12
推 Tyrael:espn更新很慢...畢竟跟Draftnet專搞draft的網頁有所差距 03/18 07:36
推 Tyrael:能夠選到James Harden也不錯... 03/18 07:51
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→ Duncan7406:我很好奇的是 今年選秀怎麼好像是Griffin一隻獨秀 03/18 13:55
→ Duncan7406:他就這麼確定是狀元嗎 沒其他人跟他比?? 03/18 13:56
→ Duncan7406:連Rubio假設投入選秀也都要排在他後面 03/18 13:57
推 arkod:老實話我覺得 Thabeet 這種類型最適合雷霆 @@ 03/18 15:55
→ arkod:我們需要的內線進攻不用強勢 只要能做好禁區防守就好 03/18 15:56
→ arkod:B.Griffin 這種類型很令人擔心是不是又是 Beasley 第二 .... 03/18 15:57
推 rettttt5:Griffin其實質疑他可能會是假貨的聲音也不少 03/18 18:17
→ rettttt5:他的進攻到NBA能不能吃得開也是未知數 03/18 18:18
→ rettttt5:Thabeet的排名也越來越前面,球技能練,身材是不能練的 03/18 18:19
推 Duncan7406:我也比較喜歡Thabeet 但是又擔心雷霆會不會不適合養他 03/19 01:36
推 hunight:Griffin是形勢比人強 Thabeet防守其實不怎麼樣.... 03/19 17:10
推 hunight:扛不住防守經驗也不好 還不如去挑J.Hill 03/19 17:12