[熊坦] Hoss的超合金閃閃熊裝備表-1

[chchwy (mat)]

原文在此
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=
3A7056E01B87FF0E4D53F04F4D22A858?topicId=101923301&sid=1

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http://0rz.tw/d12Dq



 Emmerald's Bear list was a great service to the community as a whole and
helped us all find the gear we wanted when BC was first released. He did a
great job and did us all a favor in compiling that list.
Emmerald的熊坦裝備列表(譯：在下翻譯的那一系列)對整個小D社群提供了一個很讚的
服務。BC剛出時這張表很快幫助我們找到想要的裝備。他完成了一個重大的工作，這張表
幫了我們大忙。

However, I disagree with a few primary assumptions he made. He focused his list
to the casual tank who had not reached the crit reductiion cap, used fairly low
base stats of armor/hp/dodge, and was not raid-buffed. Because of this, the
rating system he comes up with is flawed. It overvalues resilience, defense,
and stamina, and undervalues armor and agility. (raid buffs help your hp pool a
lot more than your mitigation).
但是我有一點點不同意他的某些假設。他的裝備列表聚焦在一隻還沒有完全防爆擊的
普通熊坦上，用了相當低的護甲/血量/閃避作為標準，而且未經過Raid-buff。
因此他的評價系統有一些小瑕疵。他高估了韌性、防技、耐的效果，低估了護甲和敏。
(raid-buff提供的大量hp，遠超過減傷效果)

(譯：Emmerald的熊坦標準 20000護甲/12000hp/30閃避/380防技)

I made my own spreadsheet which allows you to enter your current gear and then
will accurately tell you your in game stats (armor, dodge, hp, etc). Currently
it's off by around 8 hp and 20 armor on PTR for me after all the gear changes.
I feel thats an acceptable margin of error. It allows me to turn on or off
buffs (like commanding shout, blood pact, fortitude, grace of air), and has a
flag for the crit reduction cap.
我自己做了一張表格可以輸入目前裝備，而且精確告訴你在遊戲中的各項數值(護甲、
閃避、 血量等等..)。這張表在PTR修改裝備數值後，只偏差大約8hp或20甲。我認為這是
可接受的誤差。這張表也允許我自己開關buff(像命令之吼、 血契、 韌、 風優等)，也
能判斷是否達到防爆標準。

Anyway, with all the changes to gear on the PTR I felt it might be useful to
release my gear ratings to the public. For base stats I used my current gear on
the PTR:
無論如何，在PTR很多裝備數值改變後，我認為公佈我的裝備評比應該有些幫助。
下面是我使用的基本裝備和數值。

Helm頭: Malorne  瑪洛尼 T4
Neck項鍊: Juggernaut 狂熱項鍊
Shoulders肩膀: Malorne  瑪洛尼
Back披風: Gilded Thorium 電鍍瑟銀披風
Chest胸甲: Malorne 瑪洛尼
Wrists手腕: Forestheart 森林之心護腕
Hands手: Dextrous Gloves 敏捷操作手套
Waist腰帶: Tree-Mender's 樹林修補者腰帶
Legs腿: Malorne  瑪洛尼
Feet腳: Zierhut's Lost Treads 吉爾哈特遺失的長靴
Finger戒指: Violet Signet 紫羅蘭
Finger戒指: Unyielding Force 堅固之力指環
Trinket飾品: Mart of Tyr 暴君印記
Trinket飾品: Moroes' Pocket Watch 摩洛的幸運懷錶
(譯：大部分都是卡拉贊出產的紫裝)

I feel it is important to use relatively high-end gear for base stats, or else
gear ratings will point you towards the wrong, long-term upgrades.
我認為選擇高端裝備當作基本標準很重要，否則評比分數會指引你往錯的方向。

Here are a few things to be careful of:
這裡有些事情需要注意：

1) This list assumes you've already reached the crit reduction cap.
1) 這張表假設你已經達到防爆標準。

      That assumption relies on 3/3 SoTF which I assume every druid who is
looking at this list will have. Because of this assumption resilience is given
no value for tankpoints and defense is only given value for the miss and dodge
it provides. Currently that gear list puts me 8 defense rating shy of crit
immunity. There are lots of good ways to make up the gap, and I haven't yet
taken the time to figure out the best in my situation. I feel the base stats
created from this gear are relavent enough to get an accurate picture of gear
ratings.
這假設代表你點了三點適者生存，我假設每個看這張表的小d都有點。因為這張表裡韌性
是0分，防技也只計算閃避和使對方miss的部份。上面那張裝備標準還差8防禦等級才達到
完全防爆擊。有很多好方法去填補這個小差距，所以我沒有花費時間在這上面。我認為
上面那個裝備標準已經足夠提供精準的裝備評比分數。


2) This list assumes full raid buffs.
2)這張表假設你獲得完全的Raid buffs。

      This means you have fortitude, commanding shout, mark of the wild, and
blood pact (all improved),. In addition it assumes grace of air, blessing of
kings, 30 stam food, elixir of major defense and elixir of major agility (but
NOT a flask of foritfication since these don't stack with elixirs on PTR).
這表示你有真言術韌、命令之吼、腳印、血契(全部都是最高級的)。另外還有風優圖騰、
王者祝福、30耐的食物、極效防禦之力藥劑、極效敏捷藥劑(但是沒有防禦精煉藥水，
因為無法跟其他藥劑疊加效果)。

      For 5man tanking where you do not have full hp buffs, stamina is more
important than this list reflects. For example, the solid star of elune will be
better than a delicate living ruby (while the list shows the ruby ahead).
Personally, I use Shifting Nightseyes as a nice compromise between the two. All
sockets in gear have been filled in with shifting nightseyes unless a yellow
socket was needed for a worthwhile socket bonus, in which case the socket was
filled with an enduring talasite.
五人小隊的坦克沒辦法獲得完全的血量buff，所以耐力會比這張表評的更加重要。
舉例來說，五人小隊裡"堅固的伊露恩之星"(+12耐)會比"精緻的生命紅寶石"(+8敏)
來的好。(但是這張表精緻的生命紅寶石分數比較高)。
我個人使用"移形的夜眼石"(+4敏&+6耐)，不錯的妥協，效用介於兩者之間。
標準裝備裡所有的洞我都裝上移行的夜眼石，除了一個黃洞，為了鑲嵌加成，我嵌了
一顆"堅固的泰拉寶石"(+4防禦&+6耐)。


3) I use a modified tankpoints.
3) 我使用修改過的Tankpoints。

      Tankpoints is a great measure of tank gear as it tries to combine
survivability and mitigation into one score. It is however somewhat flawed and
undervalues armor. It is possible for a very high armor item (manimal's cinch)
to score higher in both mitigation and survivability than another item (girdle
of treachery) and yet score lower in tankpoints.
Tankpoints是一個優秀的坦克裝備評分方式，因為它嘗試將生存能力跟減傷能力合併
成同一個分數。這多少有點瑕疵，而且會低估護甲的價值。對一個超高護甲的裝備來說
(ex.馬尼莫腰帶)，它同時提高減傷能力和生存能力，應該獲得更高的分數，但是
用tankpoint來看，分數卻會比其他裝備低(ex.叛節腰帶)。

      In order to counter this phenomenon a person could weight armor double
and things would come out "right". However, this would only work when dealing
with 100% physical damage, and when there are zero debuffs to dodge. In fights
where you take some magic damage, or want to dodge a debuff (like mortal
strike, or a knockback), weighting armor double would be overkill. As a
compromise I weighted armor as 50% stronger than the pure tankpoints formula
suggests. If that paragraph is confusing to you just realize I use a modified
tankpoints that I feel more accurately reflects bear itemization than the
tankpoints used by warriors (and Emmerald).
面對這個現象，我選擇將護甲的加權變兩倍，讓結果變得"正確"。
但這只有在boss是100%物理攻擊，而且不需要閃debuff時才是完全正確的。如果你面對
魔法攻擊，或者要閃debuff(像致死打擊、被擊退)，那兩倍的護甲加權就過度誇張了。
最後我將Tankpoint裡護甲的加權改為1.5倍作為妥協。
如果這段文字對你造成困擾，那你只要了解我只是稍微修改Tankpoint公式，讓Emmerald
用的戰士專用tankpoint，變得更加接近熊而已。

      Here are the values I end up using:
      這是我最後採用的數值
            Armor護甲: 32248
            HP血量: 18811
            Dodge閃避: 48.83%
            Miss對方miss: +2.38% (or 7.38% total)
            Defense防技: 412

      Which provides the following point system:
      使用的分數系統
            1 護甲 = 1.50
            1 敏 = 13.24
            1 耐 = 6.60
            1 防禦等級 = 6.12
            1 閃避等級 = 9.72
            1 韌性 = 0


4) This list assumes a Tauren.
4) 標準是牛頭人
      (Hey, I made it for myself! What do you expect?). There is actually a
flag on my spreadsheet to change between night elf and tauren. It does change
the relative value of stats SLIGHTLY, but not enough to really put one item
ahead of another anyway. Just though it should be known that, yes this list
assumes you're me. (sorry) That also means it uses an aldor enchant, and not a
scryer (5 dodge rating vs 5 defense rating).
(嘿！我是為了自己弄這張表的！ 阿謀哩希昧安抓？)
當然我的表格有個選項可以切換夜精靈跟牛頭人，有非常非常微小的數值改變，但是
差異還沒有大到可以改變任何一個裝備排名。你應該知道，這張表是把你假設成"我"
(拍謝..) 這也代表你用了奧多爾的附魔，而不是占卜者。(5閃避等級 vs 5防禦等級)

5) The score ignores threat.
5) 這評比不管仇恨

      Druid threat generation is quite good even when ignoring it on gear. I
therefore assume aggro to be a given. For certain fights, +hit could be
beneficial but it is ignored for the purposes of this list. At the moment the
best way to get some +hit from your gear is by putting on a second piece of
wastewalker (pants or chest) in addition to the gloves.
即使我們在選擇裝備上忽視仇恨，小d製造仇恨的能力依舊非常好，因此我就不管啦。
真正的戰鬥中，有用的大概就是命中，但是這張表沒有給命中分數。
這時候最好的方法就是穿上兩件荒行者(褲子或胸甲)加上一個手套。

Anyway, feel free to post questions, items you think I missed, or hatemail.
Whatever floats your boat.
無論如何，你可以自由發問，提出你認為我漏掉的裝備，或寄幹憔信。
隨便你吧！



[ Post edited by Hugehoss ]



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