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※ 引述《zip00000 (休息...)》之銘言: : http://chrille.dingblog.com/blog.php : 我想會英文+喜愛他的玩家可以去看看。 : 網頁的左下角有他的小D跟死騎的ARMORY連結,他小D22 1707 ,死騎看來在吃便當... : 他似乎不只是寫PVP,似乎對PVE也有少許的看法跟見解 0.0 : 我想S5開季大家也會想多多知道這些人到底正在幹嘛... : 順便想問一下...Marilyn是以前Nihilum的主力小D嗎?? : 推 Parhelia:Marilyn 那個八卦可大了 我找點資料寫一些Ensidia的八卦 12/19 23:28 找了一些資料,稍微寫一下 先給感想: 假如這些爆料屬實的話,不論他們 (這個新公會的主事者) 過去為了這個遊戲的發展作 了多少貢獻,他們現在做的這些事情都太超過了 :x 抓碼等級特大 + 長文慎入 XD 其實也是看看就好 ...... --- 給不知道 Ensidia 是啥的人: 簡單的說是 SK-Gaming PvE (aka Curse) 以及 Nihilum 兩個公會合併後的新公會, 這兩個公會是 TBC 時代世界最強的兩個 pve 公會 --- 爆料者名單: Scrubdown - Last Resort (Kazzak EU) 的牧師,在太陽井拓荒時的 id 應該是 Ro Serbandsteel - 前 Nihilum 的戰士,原本進入了合併後的新公會但是在公佈 Ensidia 這個怪名字的前四天離開,回歸修仙身分 Marilyn - Nihilum 至少從 BWL 時代就在的主力恢復德,沒有被選進合併後的新公會 --- Q1. 為什麼要合併? 先看這篇 http://www.lrguild.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4814 Scrubdown 的爆料, 從那張穿軍裝的照片下面開始看 簡單的說是 sk 在找人合併,他們有找上 Last Resort,而 Last Resort 的人跟他們 談了很多次,他們後來發現合併後雖然可以得到一些好處,但是之後自己需要付出的 東西遠超過他們能負擔,甚至會影響他們不是玩家情況下的生活,節錄一下: This crazy list of requirements that everyone joining the new SK/LR merger had to fulfill weekly was insane, talking about trips round europe constantly, playing showcases all over the places and bi monthly gaming venues of very little significance, can you imagine the effort they wanted us to go to display on big screens, 10 man Malygos? 簡單版翻譯:新公會會做一些巡迴演出,例如在大螢幕上打 10 人藍龍王 (wtf?) 而合併後新公會對成員的評估制度也讓他們不敢領教: We had to write weekly reports of our 'time in the guild' - the officers had to put massive reports together justifiying why their members were still in the guild, why they deserved their spots and ultimately why they weren't replaced by 'Jonny 12 fingers from Korea' who apparently is totally fucking awesome. 簡單版翻譯:成員必須每個禮拜交關於他們在公會內活動的報告,然後幹部們要藉此 評估這些成員是否值得繼續待在公會裡 (打個電動還要交報告?) 而 Last Resort 他們非常以自己為一個菁英制的上班族公會為驕傲 (他們公會裡只有 31 個人,他們每天晚上打 1900 - 2400,但是他們還是可以和一群在開荒期每天 raid 8 - 12 小時的公會抗衡,他們瑪瑟世界#3、瓦許#3、凱爾#4、伊利丹#2、雞蛋#6),所 以最終拒絕了 sk 的合併要求。 以下是 Scrubdown 形容 LR 會長 Banai 大概會說的話 (沒有真的說過,不過以 Banai 過去訐譙人的紀錄和方法大概會這樣講): Although in saying that, I still have alot more respect for the officers in this guild than i do for all the other 'Top-End' guilds. It took alot of balls for Banai to turn down SK-Gamings initial approach of a merger, he really showed who he was in keeping us together as a group of dedicated, skilled 7pm raiders, "fuck your 9am raids" he would have said, "fuck them royally". 相對的 Nihilum 其實是 sk 最不想找的合併對象,請看這段: There was moments of desperation in the SK merger, where we found ourselves with a massive upperhand. "Don't make us go with Kungen, for the love of Allah don't do it" - i spotted this on the guys note pad when he was calling one of his seniors in San Diego. 簡單翻譯: Scrubdown 去和 sk 的人談的時候,在 sk 的人正在打電話給上司的時候, 在那傢伙的記事本上發現一句話:「拜託別逼我們去找昆哥,以阿拉之名拜託不要這樣」 sk 到處找人合併這件事情也在 Serbandsteel 的 blog 上面被提到 http://serbandsteel.dingblog.com/blog.php 請看第二篇 "Remember, remember the 25th of November...": SK already tried to merge with other guilds, but sadly for them, they got rejected first by Last Resort, then (as far as I know at least) by Inner Sanctum and a few other top guilds out there. Unfortunately they got turned down by each and every one of them. sk 首先被 LR 拒絕,接下來是 Inner Sanctum (世界 PvE 伺服首殺雞蛋的公會), 還有另外一些頂尖公會通通發「我們想要自己玩」卡給 sk。 最後 sk 方面才不得不去找 Nihilum Q2. 那個 Serbandsteel 進了新公會為什麼要退? 他宣稱的原因是選人不公平和贊助者經費的醜聞 (!!),先看有關新公會首腦的部分 The person behind Ensidia, Kungen, Mackzter and Meka is no less than the Crown Prince of Dubai, son of Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum. As I mentioned earlier, he’s been in the "scene" for years, he was a member of a number of top guilds with his brother and eventually ended up in SK-Gaming. 這些事情,首先新公會的首腦看起來是三個:昆哥還有 sk 的會長 Meka、副會長 Macktzer,但其實還有一個,這個人是杜拜的太子 (阿拉伯聯合大公國裡面杜拜酋長的 兒子) Sheikh Hamdan,他其實是很多世界頂尖公會的成員,而最後他進入了 sk。 而他的人物來源倒不一定是自己練的: Their benefactor and fan is noone else but the mysterious guy who kept buying pimped characters from all the top guilds. He is in possesion of Rulah (Nihilum druid), Zeuzonita(Method rogue) and a number of other characters that simply "vanished" from their guilds. This very same person has played in a number of well known high-end guilds and eventually ended up "playing" in SK Gaming. 這個人有很多「突然消失」的頂尖公會成員的帳號,像是 Nihilum 的德魯伊 Rulah。 而這個人是不是憑實力進這些工會的呢?這是一個很大的問號: This person also covered Mackzter`s rent of an apartment in Stockholm, Mackzter’s and Mek`s traveling expenses, among many other things. So how do I know who this person is, and why would you believe what I am about to tell you now? Mackzter 的公寓房租是他付的、Macktzer 和 Meka 也有很多旅行支出之類的帳單是他 付的 而另一件事情是新公會的出團位置的原則非常奇怪,有複數退出的成員表示出團名單彷 彿是早就決定好了,如下: "Apparently without being a long term friend or a kissass (no i won`t go this low), you don`t even get a chance unless ~20 other ppl will fail to show up. I can play like this in any scrub guild, but i`ll at least feel that i`m a part of it". 「除非你是親友或者你是拍馬屁的傢伙,否則除非有 20 個人沒出現你不會有機會上場」 "I feel very much the same way. The Raid setup (not classes but who) seem to be already set. And i`m not going to play in the guild just for the name. What i would like is honesty, if you think a player sucks kick him or tell him at least that he won`t get a spot unless he is the last option. And give a reason why." 「同意樓上」 而 Meka 和 Macktzer 的回應總是一些陳腔濫調 (他說昆哥完全沒種去回應,特別是 前 Nihilum 成員質疑的時候): raiding is a social aspect of the game as well(they emphasized on a social aspect after backstabbing their core members), that they encourage everyone to be friendly to each other, and that you play 10 times better if you play with people you have faith in and consider your guildMATES. 「raid 也是遊戲中社會行為的一種啊 blahblahblah」 (結果卻對他們的核心成員耍陰的) 他也表示有很多長時間對於這兩個公會有傑出貢獻,協助這些公會的頭頭得到今日的 成就的成員就被因為各種原因被像垃圾一樣丟在一邊: The first thing to be done in order to ensure that the merge succeeded was to "elliminate" all the players that were not wanted. A few players from SK were left out because Kungen, due to his ego, either ”never wanted to see them again”, and others because they "sucked". What really happened here was that people who had dedicated the past three to four years (less in some cases) were ditched like garbage, despite the fact that they had helped the "leaders" and guilds to get where are today. The biggest shame is that these players, who played to be the best, got screwed over without even knowing it themselves. Not a word. Nothing. 而這些頭頭反而自己搞砸的時候卻都當作沒事一樣 而另一個八卦是:加入新公會的成員可以拿到錢,sk 那邊是 250 歐元 (本來答應是 300 結果卻殺價了),Nihilum 這邊卻是 100 歐元: Also, as far as I know, all SK members who migrated should have gotten 250 euros each (cut down from 300 as originally promised), and Nihilum members who joined the merge should have gotten 100 euros each. Ok, that is not a lot of money, but if you take into consideration that only a few, SPECIFIC Nihilum members got the cash under the "excuse" from Kungen that only veterans would get compensated, while at the same time quite a number of REROLLERS who joined Nihilum during the last couple of months got the money as well. I doubt that the Sheikh would run low on money if he payed everyone 250/transfer (if not 300 and you took the difference?), so WHERE did the money from Nihilum members who got screwed go? If you calculate how many people got fucked over, the figure would reach at least a few a thousand euros. Straight down Kungen’s pocket? 錢比較少是一回事,問題是不是每個 Nihilum 這邊的都有拿到,而是很多 Nihilum 的沒有拿到,那剩下的錢在 ......? (Serbandsteel 質疑昆哥把這些錢汙走了) Q3. Marilyn 我很久以前就看到他了,為什麼沒有進 Ensidia? Marilyn 這個八卦相當鬼扯,請看 Marilyn 的 blog http://marilyn.dingblog.com/blog.php 很底下的一篇 "I've got a story too tell..." dingblog.com 好像是 Marilyn 和一些人新開的 WOW 網站,他本來甚至邀到一些 更大牌的玩家來寫 blog (ex. Bananen / Muqq / Buzzkill,全世界和他們同職業的 pve 玩家應該或多或少都有受到他們的影響),結果他收到前 Nihilum 官網管理員, 現在 Ensidia 網站管理員的訊息: "Dont shoot the messenger: Ensidia members aren't allowed to post on dingblog.com" -Nessaj 原因似乎是這個新網站被視為 Ensidia 網站的競爭者,然後 Marilyn 就被從公會裡 踢了: Apparently they did not approve of my involvement with Dingblog which they clearly considered a competitor to the new moneymaking machine Ensidia. 這讓人不解的是,那個新網站到底要拿來做什麼,又如何變成爆料者們口中的印鈔機 呢 XD 天曉得 --- 其實我覺得這些都太誇張了,我覺得 WoW 和現實中金錢的關係就僅止於買月卡 還有花錢弄一台硬體 ok 的電腦並連上網路,相關的網站上面弄點廣告是無可厚非 (開網站很花錢的,機器的硬體和流量很花錢) 但是想像一下,哪天你想要看個 pvp 神人的影片或者拓荒要找攻略、甚至要下載 UI 都要收費 ...... geeeeeez 能在 ptt 上看到娘菸大大寫的攻略,推個文說他很娘之後還可以把他寫的攻略 轉走是很幸福的! :3 -- Horde Wrathbringer-TW <神樣> Lv.70 Bloodelf Mage Marculescu, Champion of Naaru http://0rz.tw/c34mK Kara 10/10 Gruul 2/2 Mag 1/1 ZA 6/6 SSC 6/6 TK 4/4 Hyjal 5/5 BT 9/9 SwP 6/6 My Boss Encounter Videos: http://www.glog.cc/blog/Gernsback "Kil'jaeden I fought against has 13M HP." -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 61.224.47.137
theasgard:頭 推 12/24 15:08
forever05520:唉,玩遊戲玩得好辛苦喔... 12/24 15:09
wizardfizban:簡單來說 太子爺花錢買二個Uber公會陪他打副本 12/24 15:10
platinumstar:台幣型戰士的最終目標?XDXD 12/24 15:11
yjkuo:看完文章讓我想到NYY XD 12/24 15:13
genesys75:人家可是石油戰士.. 12/24 15:14
iseedeadman:以後影片網站就會有 "Free" "Member" "Join us" 12/24 15:17
chemikelvin:我也想當太子阿阿阿阿阿 12/24 15:18
Benjamin901:Oil warrior!!! 51點大絕:OPEC減產 12/24 15:20
Parhelia:to yjkuo: NYY 是照遊戲規則來的還好 :p 12/24 15:20
Parhelia:而且他們本來就應該先買 Teixeira 而不是 AJB XD 12/24 15:20
Philostraw:我是蛋糕大大的粉絲 @\\\\\@ 12/24 15:22
raygod:科科 現在25raid這麼簡單 這些玩家都要失業了 12/24 15:22
Parhelia: 我是娘菸大大的粉絲 @\\\\\@ 12/24 15:22
libramog:你們兩個 在一起算了... 12/24 15:23
hogiking:直接一起吧 12/24 15:23
windtemple:只好推在一起了 12/24 15:24
xephon: 人家可是石油戰士.. 12/24 15:24
wizardfizban:娘菸你前幾天才把米 現在又吃蛋糕 12/24 15:24
amaderasu:人家可是石油戰士.. (推這句 12/24 15:24
wizardfizban:娘菸讓我想到 神所知道的世界 XD 12/24 15:25
heavenkiss:原來wow有發展出這麼黑暗內幕的實力 12/24 15:25
xephon: 人家可是石油戰士.. (台幣能吃嗎? 12/24 15:25
libramog:瘋法默默的暴了一個八卦-.- 12/24 15:25
bigbite:不推不行! 12/24 15:26
gogoangelin:他好娘~~~~= =+ 12/24 15:26
Parhelia:瘋法 我是用冰霜和火焰的魔導師 不會跟用暗法的一樣糟糕! 12/24 15:26
wizardfizban:反正鬼畜攻的是娘菸 和受方無關 (?) 12/24 15:27
suegi:只好推 娘菸蛋糕在一起了....(那x要放在誰後面呢?) 12/24 15:28
windtemple:萌米會不會出現呢... 12/24 15:28
suegi:瘋法 所以是娘菸x蛋糕了? 12/24 15:29
xephon:推文開始離題XD 12/24 15:29
cbull:好像沒有糟糕... 12/24 15:30
Parhelia:我用火球 我是男子漢 我絕對不是受啊啊啊 wwwwwwwwwwwwww 12/24 15:30
suegi:用火球也可以是受阿,強氣受之類的? 12/24 15:31
deathson:娘煙~^_^ (拿出紅色的珠子) 12/24 15:31
ithildin:強氣總受小米登場 這場三角戀糾竟會怎麼收場呢 12/24 15:32
wizardfizban:米吃醋了 (看戲模式開啟) 12/24 15:32
spicysugar:...都要收費......geeeeeez in my pants 12/24 15:33
Parhelia:米要娘菸的話直接給你就好~^_^ 12/24 15:33
suegi:等等,我去泡咖啡來配... 12/24 15:33
deathson:(把樓上那堆看戲的用ディバインバスター轟掉) 12/24 15:35
libramog:那我只好在樓下看了-.- 12/24 15:35
cbull:我在樓下看戲~ 12/24 15:36
hogiking:樓下++ 維力炸醬麵好香阿 12/24 15:36
enricofermi:在樓下看戲順便拿隻貂來擋砲擊 12/24 15:38
Parhelia:所以徹底離題了嗎 ...... 12/24 15:38
adasin:這抓馬規模比以前看過的還要大 12/24 15:38
adasin:打錢工 -> 台幣戰士 -> 石油戰士 12/24 15:39
wizardfizban:那種可以拿石油煮茶的世界 和我們平民是二回事呀! 12/24 15:39
Parhelia:阿拉伯:沒水?燒石油發電淨化海水啊 12/24 15:39
suegi:為啥某樓推文說想當太子,我就想到聖德太子呢? 12/24 15:40
Parhelia:其實樓上在想色色的事情對吧 ... 12/24 15:40
suegi:沒,我只是想要講妹子的名言「太子你怎麼不去死一死啊」 12/24 15:41
Parhelia:那些太低級了我都故意忘掉了 (咦?) 12/24 15:42
enricofermi:離題的原因應該還是蛋糕最後一小段的緣故吧@@ 12/24 15:42
hogiking:瞬間跳tone到搞笑漫畫日和 12/24 15:42
Parhelia:那是感想 感想啊! 為什麼會這樣呢 XDrz 12/24 15:43
holysea:這個抓馬可比間諜勾引艦長還鞭他屍 12/24 15:47
ieoAAAA: 推文的八卦比正文好看 12/24 15:51
ssnpiggy:再次證明出團靠關係 12/24 15:54
usoko:台幣戰士落伍 石油戰士正夯 12/24 15:59
Dalaia:黑金戰士才是最強的..... 12/24 16:04
LuciferRT:石油戰士 神威蓋世 12/24 16:07
alsh:現實世界的g團 12/24 16:08
CKdoraemon:我超喜歡LR 原因曾經很單純的因為他們MT不是牛人 12/24 16:13
CKdoraemon:後來看了幾部KERP的影片之後 莫名其妙超喜歡它們的XD 12/24 16:13
Parhelia:超牛逼食人妖戰士 聖甲蟲領主 Banai XD 12/24 16:14
Parhelia:另外 Kerp 的影片真的很棒 他選的音樂都很合適 12/24 16:14
Parhelia:他的個人技術也是所有副本法師應該好好學習的對象 :p 12/24 16:15
dundung:一群烏泊人 qq 12/24 16:23
suegi:↑烏泊人(捏鼻) 12/24 16:35
FAIRYKA:娘煙只是個羅莉控而已(飄) 12/24 17:08
wizardfizban:如果娘菸是蘿莉控 就不會喜歡仁禮路線 而是風祭了 (? 12/24 17:32
suegi:瘋法你的回答好專業唷(GJ) 12/24 17:38
deathson:你們這些糟糕人!! 12/24 17:57
Parhelia:完全無法理解這些用暗法的傢伙 ._.a 12/24 17:57
st1nger:2008年末大戲 穿著T7的惡魔之Ensidia之怒 12/24 18:00
jerry9988:小米你快去睡啦 12/24 18:08
deathson:老妹在床上 12/24 18:18
SITC:"fuck your 9am raids" 好帥氣… 12/24 18:22
wizardfizban:米的小妹睡米的床 ? 12/24 18:27
deathson:沒有在睡 跟米都是醒著的~ 12/24 18:31
affen:可以再爆一個Nihilum歧視女性的八卦嗎? 12/24 18:57
affen:之前公會在網站上徵人條件寫「女性勿試」 12/24 18:58
toroegg:強烈推娘煙 雖然他很娘 但是可以把他整個人__走 12/24 18:58
affen:被轟爆以後才用開玩笑、網站出錯等藉口來擋 12/24 18:59
Philostraw:我守備範圍很廣的。w。 12/24 18:59
deathson:守備範圍很廣嗎^_^? (拿出柴刀) 12/24 19:00
wizardfizban:哦哦..! 開戰了! (拉板凳) 12/24 19:06
libramog:這是在演哪一齣戲阿(新八調) 12/24 19:07
Philostraw:米把你的妹妹跟你一起託付給我吧喔喔喔喔喔! 12/24 19:09
wizardfizban:娘菸發出 姐妹丼宣言 !! 12/24 19:10
deathson:"......" http://0rz.tw/df5bO 12/24 19:17
lovelylion2:杜拜有錢並不是靠石油好嗎-__- 12/24 19:32
uiorefd:杜拜太子都出來了 誇張 12/24 19:51
wogosong:不然杜拜有錢是靠啥? 12/24 21:39
lovelylion2:中東國家一定是靠石油? 多看點書吧 12/24 21:42
Parhelia:歧視女性的後來他們在電台訪問說明是開玩笑的 12/24 22:49
suegi:沒想到我約個會回來,娘菸就發出姊妹丼宣言了(握拳) 12/24 22:49
Parhelia:現在 Ensidia 的 pal Sniffy 就是以前 Nihilum 的女玩家 12/24 22:49
Parhelia:娘菸你胃口真大 ...... 12/24 22:50
hitlerx:杜拜是中東國家裡面油比較少的,所以很早就朝其他方向發展 12/24 22:56
seedhorse:一堆推昆哥的現在應該都很想死吧 見錢眼開的俗辣 XD 12/24 22:58
thigefe:話說 穿軍裝的是誰? 12/24 22:59
Parhelia:似乎是北歐哪一國的國王 因為瑞典文 kungen = the king 12/24 23:02
Parhelia:好像是這樣 基本上不用管那張圖 那張圖是來亂的 12/24 23:02
geni:我超愛lr這guild的Q_Q kerp的影片都做的好棒Q_Q 12/25 08:38