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作者: Piaf (...) 看板: clmusic
標題: Re: Fake Haas Edition
時間: Thu Jan 29 10:46:24 2004
※ 引述《Piaf (...)》之銘言：
: Karajan/BPO (EMI, DG)
: Karajan/VPO (DG)
Although von Karajan DID add the cymbal clash together with the
timpani and pauke in the Adagio of Bruckner's 7th, I believe that
he still adopted the Haas Edition of this symphony, since von
Karajan did not apply the tempo alternations in the last movement.
In addition to the percussion part in the Adagio, another discrepancy
between the Haas Ed. and the Nowak Ed. is the tempi instruction in the
first and the last movement, especially the last mvt. For example,
in the 4th movement in the Nowak Ed., it is marked "ritard" in bar 7
and in bar 9 it's marked "a tempo." and this kind of tempi alternation
is not seen in Haas Ed. It's believed that thess tempi instructions are
suggested by J. Shalk. (I recommend those who are interested in this
history to read some references. In my opinion the best one is the preface
of the Nowak Edition, by Professor Nowak himself.)
Dr. Robert Simpson did not quite agree the tempi indication here. In his
book "The Essence of Bruckner" (The Camelot Press Ltd, 1967(1st Ed), 1977
(2nd Ed)), he said that the verbal instruction by Bruckner was possibly
under the "daily-chat" situation:
Schalk: You don't want absolutely rigid tempi, do you?
Bruckner: No, of course not.
Schalk: Right! Leave it to us.
Dr. Simpson also quoted another pianist's words (Friedrich Wuhrer), who
once met an old musician who was at present on the occation of the two
piano version of the 7th symphony, performed by Schalk and Loewe, with
Bruckner at present. That old musician recalled that actually Bruckner
was agitated about the duo performance: "What are they doing? That's
not my symphony!" Of course this is only a story, maybe less convincing
than the evidence of Bruckner's letters to Nikisch. However Dr. Simpson
had a point here.
For those who want to compare the tempo differences in the 4th mvt, I
recommend Jochum's Dresden version (Nowak, EMI) and Wand's Berliner
version (Haas, BMG/RCA).
Karajan/BPO (EMI, DG)
Karajan/VPO (DG)
You can clearly hear the percussion from the 177th bar on in the second mvt.
(Nowak Edition) in von Karajan's recordings of the 7th symphony.
It seems that Karajan in some cases prefers the Haas Ed., probably because of
the historical issue. (For detailed discussion in Haas Ed. and the National
Socialism, see Ben Korstvedt, The musical Quarterly Vol. 80 no. 1, 1996.)
However for the sake of the effect during the actual performance, he added
the percussion part in the Adagio. I cannot distinguish if the octave of
the string section is strengthened or not. Maybe Karajan still adopted the
Haas Ed., except the additional percussion in the Adagio.
However, don't forget that von Karajan is Schalk's pupil! Heir of Nikisch!
(Just kidding.)
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Piaf @ PTT; klem/Dutchman elsewhere.
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