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Why The Hunger Games Isn't a Battle Royale Ripoff

飢餓遊戲抄襲大逃殺？開玩笑的吧？！
作者：Eric Goldman
原文出處：http://movies.ign.com/articles/122/1221815p1.html

Yes, there are obvious comparisons between them. But it's not that simple,
given the centuries of other influences on both properties.

飢餓遊戲與大逃殺的確有許多相似之處，但是，相似並不代表我們就可以說
晚一點問世的作品就是抄襲，畢竟這兩部電影都有向前人取經之處。

Editorial: I can't take it anymore.
I can't take seeing comments on every Hunger Games story saying
it's a ripoff of Battle Royale.

小編手記：夠了！我受夠了！我無法看到每篇飢餓遊戲的文章下方
都有推文說「飢餓遊戲抄襲大逃殺～」

I get making the comparison. It's completely understandable.
We all make quick comparisons when we hear about something new
and when I first heard about Battle Royale in 2000 (I ended up
seeing the film a couple years later), I'm sure I thought, "Oh,
so it's kind of like Running Man but with kids?" So I understand
hearing about Hunger Games and thinking, "Oh, so kind of like an
American Battle Royale?"

我要來篇超級比一比。沒錯，大家都會比較。每當我們看到一部預告片，
看到一段新片介紹，我們心中絕對會不由自主的往記憶中的角落去做比較。
當我在2000年看到大逃殺的介紹時（我隔了幾年才把這部片好好看完），
我馬上想到的是「這很像阿諾主演的那部”魔鬼阿諾1987,Running Man "
嘛～也是一群人被迫上電視互相殘殺，只是現在日本人把主角換成青少年
而已嘛。」所以，當飢餓遊戲推出時，我完全可以理解有許多人心中想著
「這就是美國版的大逃殺嘛～」。

But actually calling Hunger Games a ripoff is a ridiculous thing
to say, because first and foremost, neither Hunger Games nor Battle
Royale have a unique or original core concept. And that's not a
value judgment: Personally, I like them both! The saying about there
not being any new stories is essentially a true one. Which is fine!
If you create compelling characters, situations and scenarios, you
can grab audiences with any story, even though it's a variation on
something that's come before. And I think both Battle Royale and
Hunger Games (not to mention several other projects, many of which
I list below) succeed in this regard.

但是「飢餓遊戲抄襲大逃殺」這句話就有點太過分了。有一個非常非常重要的
原因，「飢餓遊戲」與「大逃殺」都沒有原創或是獨特的構想。這不需要電影
大師才看得出來。而且，我個人「兩部片都喜歡」。俗話說得好「太陽底下沒
有新鮮事」，這句話真的是有道理。只要一部電影呈現出動人的角色、令人心
有戚戚焉的劇情、設定，就算之前有類似的作品又怎樣？我的論點是「飢餓遊
戲與大逃殺正是如此的作品」。下面我就要對類似的作品一一點名，事實上，
以下的作品很多都適用「老梗玩得好，賺錢賺到老」（大誤！）的說法。

The idea of people being made -- usually by a malevolent government
or other controlling power -- to fight to the death and/or being hunted
for sport has been the basis for dozens and dozens of books and films.
The one thing that directly draws the comparison between Hunger Games
and Battle Royale is that both specifically are about kids being the
ones forced to fight – but so what? If we agree that people being
forced to fight to the death is a notable/well-used story point,
then we agree that those people being children is even worse and more
notable, right? I'd say it's a natural extrapolation to make on a
time-honored set-up and it's why I believe Suzanne Collins when she
said she hadn't heard of Battle Royale when she wrote Hunger Games.
Because this is such a classic story scenario, I don't think Battle
Royale author Koushun Takami would be the only person to ever think
to add kids to it. But even if Collins had been aware of Battle Royale,
it wouldn't make much of a difference, since Battle Royale itself
followed so many other influences - some of which already involved
children.

「平凡人被某種勢力/政府逼迫參與死亡遊戲、被當成獵物」的概念早已有一
卡車的小說、電影引用。飢餓遊戲與大逃殺都以青少年為主角，這點是最快讓
人產生聯想的地方。但是，這又怎樣？既然「成人被迫參加死亡遊戲」都一再
被拿來當成劇情主軸，換成「青少年」當主角，不就正好加大這個主題的力道、
更有衝擊嗎？所以，我完全相信飢餓遊戲作者Suzanne Collins說「我從來沒聽
過大逃殺」的說法，因為「小人物被迫參與死亡遊戲」是如此經典的一個梗，
我不相信高見廣春（大逃殺小說作者）是世界上唯一一個想到「我可以讓青少年參加
死亡遊戲，那一定變態到充滿戲劇張力」的人。但是，就算飢餓遊戲作者
Suzanne Collins真的聽過/看過大逃殺，其實也沒關係，因為大逃殺本身也充
滿了許多前人作品的影子，當中還有不少主角就是青少年/小孩子呢。

Either way, both stories are relatively recent ones (the Battle Royale
book came out in 1999, followed by the film in 2000; Hunger Games was
released as a book in 2008), and were proceeded by a large list of stories
-- some books, some films and some just plain fact -- with similar themes
and elements. Let's look at just a sample, shall we? I should note that
Cindy White mentioned some of the following stories in her
Hunger Games: Pop Culture Primer feature before Hunger Games opened.
But here, I want to focus more specifically on just how prominent (and
frequent) these stories have been, long before Battle Royale was written.

不論是飢餓遊戲還是大逃殺，其實兩部片都還算是「當代」作品（前者2008年
出版小說，大逃殺1999年出版小說），在這之前其實早已有許多主題類似的小說、
電影。就讓我們看看幾個例子，讓我們看看到底大逃殺之前，有哪些類似主題的
作品/故事/小說/傳說。

Ancient Greek Myth - Theseus and the Minotaur: There are a couple of
different versions of this centuries-old story, but most include a
town that must periodically send seven young men and seven young women
as a sacrifice or tribute to a Minotaur. No, it doesn't involve the
"kids fight each other" idea, but it clearly does have the concept of
adults being forced to send their children off as a sacrifice, regardless
of who or what kills them. Suzanne Collins has named this story as a
direct inspiration for Hunger Games, with Katniss standing in for Theseus,
who goes in place of one of the selected children and ultimately slays
the Minotaur.

【古希臘傳說之Theseus與牛頭人身獸】

雖然有幾個不同版本，但是流傳好幾世紀的古希臘傳說是這樣寫的「有個小鎮，
固定要送七位青年男女，當成活祭品給牛頭人身獸＝Minotaur」。雖然這七位男
女不需要互相殘殺，但是「成年人將孩子當祭品奉獻出來」的想法卻很明確。
飢餓遊戲作者Suzanne Collins 本人就有提過，這個希臘傳說是飢餓遊戲的主要
啟發之一，Katniss其實就是Theseus，從一開始被迫參與，到後來把牛頭人身獸
＝Minotaur擊殺。

Roman Gladiators: So yeah, it's kind of important to remember there was
a time on planet Earth when people actually fought to the death in arenas
for the entertainment of others. At the end of the day, any movie (or other
story form) that uses this idea can say the inspiration was… life. It
happened. Humans did this.

【羅馬鬥劍士】
上面那段是「傳說」。但是，我們不要忘記，在歷史的洪流中，有真實存在的人物
為了娛樂他人在競技場內殺到你死我活、血流成河。所以，我們只能說，一切的
靈感最終都來自於「人性」，人類會為了娛樂讓同類互相殘殺。

And of course, among those real life gladiators is…

談完古早的事情，讓我們看看影視圈類似的作品吧。

Spartacus:
Once again, this guy actually existed. Spartacus was a slave and
Gladiator who was forced to fight to the death against others. But
he then escaped and became the leader of a famous slave uprising
against their Roman oppressors. The 1960 Stanley Kubrick film thrust
Spartacus into a more mainstream spotlight and he is now the central
character in a popular Starz TV series.

斯巴達克斯，真實存在的歷史人物，對抗羅馬暴政的奴隸王。1960年首次被大導演
Stanley Kubrick改編成電影，最近則被 Starz TV改編成相當受歡迎的電視連續劇。

The Most Dangerous Game:
Now we jump ahead to the past century and a notable and highly
influential 1924 short story by Richard Connell, in which a big game
hunter is trapped on an island by an aristocrat, who makes him his
latest prey in his ongoing series of hunts involving humans. It's been
adapted into several movies. An island setting and the basic "people
hunting/killing one another" concept would be paired many times to
follow.

Richard Connell1924年的小說「最危險的遊戲」讓一位優秀獵人不小心誤入
一個貴族的陷阱，困在孤島上，成為獵物。「孤島」與「人獵人」的概念，
將不斷被後世引用。

The Lottery:
A 1948 short story by Shirley Jackson in which every member of a
village, young and old, participate in an annual lottery where the
eventual "winner" is stoned to death by the other members of their
community.

Shirley Jackson 1948的短篇小說描述一個小鎮每年都會舉辦「大樂透」，只是，
樂透贏家會被全鎮「以石頭砸死」。

Lord of the Flies:
This 1954 novel (adapted into two feature films) is about a group of
British boys shipwrecked on an island whose attempts to start their
own society eventually turn hostile, as the boys begin fighting -
with more than one kid eventually killed as a result. Now Lord of the
Flies is a bit different in that there is no external, nefarious force
here. No one intentionally put these boys into this scenario or wanted
them to kill each other. But the idea of children turning primal, ugly
and lethal (and, yep, the island setting) certainly make an impact.

1954年的小說蒼蠅王描述一場船難讓一群英國男孩漂流的荒島上，這群孩子因此
被迫發展成一個部落才能生存下去，但是，生存的課題最後讓這群男孩開始彼此
鬥爭、殘殺。雖然這裡沒有外來影響力的存在，但是，求生存的原始本能，還是
讓這群男孩露出原始、醜陋甚至是致命的本性。

The 10th Victim:
This 1965 French/Italian film based on a 1953 short story is set in a
future in which violent citizens participate in The Big Hunt, where you
must survive five rounds as a hunter and five as a victim, in a scenario
where the hunters will attempt to kill those they pursue.

1965年的短片「第十號受害者」描述在未來世界，人們會參加「The Big Hunt」，
在十回合的競賽中，你必須充當五次獵人、五次獵物。

Death Race 2000:
This 1975 film takes place in a dystopian future in which there are
several Gladiator-like forms of entertainment, none more popular than
the Annual Transcontinental Road Race, in which the participants gain
points for killing innocents along the way. Remade in 2008 under the
title Death Race.

1975年的「原版」玩命尬車，描述未來出現了許多「羅馬競技場」式的大型娛樂
競賽，最受歡迎的就是年度「跨洲大賽車」但是，有個變態的設定，參加者在完
成跨洲賽事的路上，可以靠「殘殺路人」來獲取積分。2008年本片有被翻拍。

The Long Walk:
A 1979 Stephen King novel (written under his pseudonym Richard Bachman)
about a dystopian society in which 100 teenage boys must compete in the
sadistic "national sport" - an annual walking competition – where they
must maintain a speed of four miles an hour. If they continue to fall
beneath that speed, they are shot and killed. The Long Walk is obviously
notable, in regards to Battle Royale and Hunger Games, for having this
sadistic scenario be one that kids compete in.

1979年驚悚大師Stephen King以筆名Richard Bachman寫下了一個病態社會的變態
行為。每年有一百位青少年必須參與一項「全國競賽」，他們必須維持時速6.4公里
（4英里）的步行速度，落後的人會被射殺。單單就「青少年」與「被迫參加」與
「輸家會死」這幾點，飢餓遊戲與大逃殺還真的算是向本片致敬。

The Running Man:
A 1982 Stephen King/Richard Bachman novel about a dystopian (there's that
word again!) society in which a popular game show has people pursued by
"Hunters" intent on killing them. Adapted into the 1987 Arnold Schwarzenegger
film of the same name.

驚悚大師Stephen King以筆名Richard Bachman發表的另一部作品，在1987年翻
拍成電影，由阿諾主演。故事描述一個虐待狂傾向的社會，發明了一種娛樂節目
，讓真人被獵人追捕、獵殺。

Series 7: The Contenders:
A 2001 film in which a popular TV show has US citizens picked at random,
given a gun and told to kill each other until only one is left alive.
Yes, Series 7 (and the next film) came out post-Battle Royale. My point
is, these kind of stories continue to come at a fairly regular basis.
Whether it's adults or kids, it's a lot of the same themes and concepts
at work.

2001年這部電影描述美國發明了一種電視節目，讓隨機被選上的市民互相殘殺到
最後只有一位倖存者為止。我舉這個例子只是要敘述，大逃殺之後，飢餓遊戲之
前，類似主題還是有出現。


The Condemned:
A 2007 film in which 10 convicts are forced to fight to the death as
part of an illegal game being broadcast to the public.

2007年又有一部電影描述１０位罪犯被迫參加一場公開播映的非法生存遊戲。

As you can see, the core concepts of Hunger Games and Battle Royale can
be traced back so far and so frequently, with so many elements contained
in different stories, it's pretty much impossible to just name one as
the direct lineage. And I know I left out plenty of other examples (feel
free to chime in with more in the Comments).

各位都看到了，飢餓遊戲與大逃殺兩者都可以追本朔源到Ｎ年前去了，我自己都
承認，這份清單還可以繼續寫下去（推文裡面可以繼續舉例，我絕對不會覺得受
傷害、或是見識太淺）。

Again, yes, both Hunger Games and Battle Royale are specifically about
kids being made to fight, but if you think that is the one straw that
breaks the camel's back and turns Hunger Games into a ripoff… Well,
I strongly disagree. Especially given stories like The Long Walk and
Lord of the Flies that already involved kids in these dark scenarios.
It would be one thing if the characters and exact specifics of Hunger
Games matched Battle Royale, but they are radically different and the
worlds they take place in veer off from one another in a huge way. Yes,
there are other surface similarities regarding the government's control
and such, but that's all it is – surface similarities, which are also
echoed in so many of the other influences both stories share.

話說回來，飢餓遊戲與大逃殺都很明確的讓青少年參加死亡遊戲，但這就讓飢餓
遊戲成為抄襲者嗎？我相當相當不同意。畢竟「蒼蠅王,1963,Lord of the Flies」
主題不也是如此？「青少年參與死亡遊戲」只是兩部片共有的設定，但是兩部片
中的青少年卻來自完全不同的世界。表面上來看，請讓我強調「表面上」三個字
，兩部片中的青少年都被政府強逼進入遊戲，但這也不是甚麼新鮮事。請繼續看
下去。

In 1939, Batman was introduced. He was a brilliant millionaire (later
upgraded to billionaire) who used weapons and gadgets to fight crime
without the benefit of any actual physical superpowers. Brilliant
billionaire who uses weapons and gadgets to fight crime without
superpowers. Hey, that kind of sounds like Iron Man! But Iron Man
was invented decades later – so he must be a ripoff of Batman,
right? Except it's not true.

1939年，蝙蝠俠問世，他是個聰明的百萬富翁（後來變成...億萬富翁），他用
各項道具與自己的肉身打擊犯罪，他「沒有超能力」。好，我們慢慢的念一次
這個句子「沒有超能力的有錢人靠道具打擊犯罪」---------鋼鐵人＝Tony Stark
也是這樣啊！鋼鐵人比較晚出道，所以鋼鐵人抄襲蝙蝠俠！得證！

拜託，事情不是這樣的，我們都知道。

That's how I feel when I see people accusing Hunger Games of being a
Battle Royale ripoff. It's as though every time someone wrote about
Iron Man, everyone yelled, "He's just a Batman ripoff!" It would be
ridiculous and a gigantic oversimplification. The actual methods/costume/
tactics/personality/origins of the characters are completely different
and you'd sound pretty silly arguing over and over that Iron Man should
be dismissed for having such minimal ties to Batman, as far as the set-up
and bare bones description.

上面的例子，就是我聽到「飢餓遊戲抄襲大逃殺」說法的時候浮現的一個反證。
我相信沒有人會承認「因為主角都是沒有超能力的有錢人打擊犯罪，所以鋼鐵人
抄襲蝙蝠俠」，這太過籠統、太簡化了。手法、服裝、技巧、人格甚至是兩人的
家世背景完全不同，如何能說誰抄襲誰？對吧？沒有人會因此認為鋼鐵人因此就
該一文不值。

So why can't certain Battle Royale fans get over the surface comparisons
here? Why are they acting like Battle Royale was completely original and
groundbreaking in terms of its core concepts and the only possible
influence for The Hunger Games - and straight up accusing Hunger Games
of being a ripoff in the process?

所以，大逃殺的支持者們，請看穿表面上的相似之處好嗎？為什麼各位會覺得大
逃殺是部前無古人的原創作品，所以，今年來了部飢餓遊戲，裡面講到青少年互
相廝殺，就是抄襲？

Maybe it's because they just don't know about all of the other stories
that came before 1999. But there are a whole lot of books and films with
these themes to look back upon. And you know what? Just like Battle Royale
and The Hunger Games, plenty of them are pretty great as well.

也許，大逃殺的支持者以為1999年前（大逃殺上映那年）沒有任何電影有這樣的
主題吧？不過，事實是，多年以來類似飢餓遊戲與大逃殺的主題一直都有作品問
世，而且，老實說，當中還有許多令人回味再三的經典呢。

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讀後語：這位主編學識還挺豐富的　舉出不少例子　也算是增廣見聞了

語氣上有稍微把人家鄉民化　大家請包含一下


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※ 編輯: hsupohsiang     來自: 113.28.26.107        (03/31 22:30)
推 yoyoman0529:大逃殺之所謂會被提了又提非因為它跟饑餓遊戲的相似性
推 kao8855:原作者崩潰了嗎XD
→ yoyoman0529:而是該片的年代距離比較近，當然，內容比較是無法避免
→ yoyoman0529:但現代有多少年青人看過蒼蠅王？尤其是台灣，會比大逃
→ yoyoman0529:殺來得多嗎？有些書迷提出一種論調，是值得商榷的，
→ yoyoman0529:饑餓遊戲=/=大逃殺。但弔詭的是，饑餓遊戲的內容本來
→ yoyoman0529:就是逃跟殺的型式再擴充而已阿，不知道有什麼好否認的
推 sampsonlu919:H大外電必推 但原文有個地方要更正
→ sampsonlu919:北野武是大逃殺的重要演員之一 而非導演
推 Grammy:他舉的例子都差蠻多的 就飢餓遊戲跟大逃殺最相近= =
噓 garnett1118:不要污辱大逃殺........飢餓遊戲是木瓜之城 外傳
→ sampsonlu919:另外 大逃殺與飢餓遊戲都有參考蒼蠅王
→ sampsonlu919:這或許也是其架構相似的原因之一
推 orion1991830:說抄襲又不會怎樣？只是就是拍的沒比較好！
推 sleepyrat:北野老師應該會想跟森口老師交朋友....或聯盟....
→ hsupohsiang:搞錯內文　英文不好　文中提到得不是北野武是小說作者
推 Avis:Running Man也是Stephen King原著  不過被改很大
→ Avis:有趣的是The Long Walk跟The Running Man都是用另一筆名出版
→ Avis:"Richard Bachman"
→ Pietro:原作不算木瓜吧?
推 gunng:我不在乎他的原型是哪來的 問題只在電影沒拍出生存的艱苦
→ gunng:讓人覺得這場殺人遊戲好像一點也不危險
推 secondbanana:好爛 只拿點子來比較 實際上本小說的背景設定幾乎一
→ secondbanana:個樣
推 diru:Running Man是放一堆人去跟每個關卡boss對決吧? 怎是互相殘殺
推 peruman:如果真要講的話 我會牽拖到蒼蠅王去
→ diru:我是指Running Man的電影版本
推 GVR13:大半內容都在拼命舉殘殺例子 但看不到認真真對飢餓和大桃殺
→ GVR13:兩者的比較 事實上這兩者的相似性絕對遠大於其他作品的相似
推 opklm:蒼蠅王跟這兩部類型應該不同吧  蒼蠅王比較是一個在失去約束
→ opklm:的世界裡引發的悲劇 也沒有強迫他們自相殘殺阿 同樣是漂流
→ opklm:荒島 十五少年漂流記不就好好的 跟蒼蠅王比較接近的應該是飄
→ opklm:流教室這類型的吧
→ jujuice:因為飢餓遊戲和大逃殺都自己說向蒼蠅王取經設定 設定跟
→ jujuice:自己要怎麼編故事內容是兩回事
噓 ckshchen:飢餓遊戲抄襲大逃殺～
推 magicqw:阿....還能比喔 大逃殺不是完勝嗎
推 stocktonty:可惜作者漏了魁男塾的孤戳鬥
噓 ckshchen:兩者最大的相似點在"本來熟識的要強迫互殺"
噓 light1227:大逃殺完勝?!
→ jujuice:ckshchen是從哪裡看出來凱妮絲和比德彼此熟識XD
推 sleepyrat:大逃殺跟告白比較接近吧.....
→ AppleAlice:我還以為最大不同是大逃殺互相熟識飢餓遊戲則否哩...
推 Pietro:飢餓遊戲那群都是不同地方的出生者,大逃殺是同班同學基本條
推 globekiller:有朋友說想看飢餓遊戲 像大逃殺 想看
→ Pietro:件不一樣
→ globekiller:我回她 如果是這樣的話 妳看了應該會翻桌XD
→ Pietro:我相信這是電影的問題
→ mikejan:告白沒強制要殺來殺去呀....
噓 bug001:舉例失當太多，我只能噓
推 ziwi:如果飢餓遊戲真的沒拍出那種"飢餓感",感覺的確是蠻失敗的
→ ziwi:都叫"hunger game"了說XD
→ ziwi:大逃殺是不錯,日本人拍變態片一向很在行.....
推 Pietro:他想表達的就是類似的設定並不是源於大逃殺
推 hens:看來以後針對劇情也來個申請專利權 不得抄襲 否則犯法?
→ hens:本來大多數的創作就是從一個靈感啟發而延伸出來的阿
推 ziwi:我比較好奇的是為什麼這是美國學生必讀的書呀XD
推 Leika:同意！另外2007年那部B級片 非常好看 WWE摔角聯盟拍的
→ Leika:男的是"石馬"奧斯汀、女主角也超美
→ Leika:而阿諾的那部 跟飢餓遊戲一樣 荒唐的綜藝轉播 更顯得悲哀
→ Leika:我認為飢餓遊戲好過大逃殺 因為這片對社會的不公義諷刺較深
→ ksng1092:那個The Lottery是短篇小說，不是短片XD 以前有讀過
※ 編輯: hsupohsiang     來自: 113.28.26.107        (04/01 00:22)
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噓 flare5566:業配文
噓 max0113:抄襲
噓 mcwagamama:看到一半就快吐血了 舉的例都超級爛
噓 a75088285:還是抄
噓 tandzh:大逃殺好多了 請不要拿濫片來比
噓 JOYE0326:大逃殺爛透了
噓 nicktop2001:大逃殺只比飢餓遊戲少了狗血愛情、垃圾規則而已啊~
→ nicktop2001:真是看不出飢餓遊戲哪裡不好的~~
噓 missdoughnut:這個反擊非常針對大逃殺的感覺,只會讓人更反感