Re: [請益]超人到底可不可以在外太空飛阿?

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※ 引述《littlest (讀冊人...)》之銘言：
: ※ 引述《littlest (讀冊人...)》之銘言：
:   曼哈頓應該是所有英雄史上最強的人了...
:   基本上, 祂的設定根本不是人, 已經是神了,
:   可以在太陽上行走, 可以自己試著創造生命,
:   最後離開地球去外星球創造生物去了, 這不是神是啥?
:   超人還不能在外太空飛哩....而且還有克林普耐剋他...
:   曼哈頓博士從頭到尾都沒有東西可以剋祂...
: ◆ From: 114.32.237.213
: ※ 編輯: littlest        來自: 114.32.237.213       (11/21 21:44)
: 推 krosby:銀色衝浪手跟曼哈頓博士應該有得拼~~                       11/21 21:56
: 推 kidgot:我怎記得超人電影某集飛繞地球倒轉時間                     11/21 22:01
: 推 alljerry04:超人可以在外太空非                                   11/21 22:06
: → alljerry04:              飛y                                    11/21 22:06
: 推 Ubuntx:超人不能在外太空飛？  請問你是看哪一版本的？             11/22 21:03
: 推 krosby:智者能夠打敗曼哈頓是因為他還有人性  否則哪管人類死活     11/22 23:03
: → krosby:原PO可能是看周杰倫版本的超人不會飛吧  XD                 11/22 23:03
: 超人只是外星人阿, 超人會有超能力是因為太陽給他的能源,
: 也就是說, 只要離開太陽太遠, 超人就會失去超能力,
: 況且如果超人可以在太空中飛的話(星球與星球間), 那超人幹麻還要坐太空梭?
: 超人只是一種外星人而而已阿!

直接引述wiki好了

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman#Powers_and_abilities


As originally conceived and presented in his early stories, Superman's powers
were relatively limited, consisting of superhuman strength that allowed him
to lift a car over his head, run at amazing speeds and leap one-eighth of a
mile, as well as an incredibly dense body structure that could be pierced by
nothing less than an exploding artillery shell.[94] Siegel and Shuster compared
his strength and leaping abilities to an ant and a grasshopper.[95]
一開始超人的設定比較弱 比較像是一個超級怪力 超級快 超級會跳
而且身體很硬的超級"人類"。大概就像蚱蜢跟螞蟻的差距

When making the cartoons, the Fleischer Brothers found it difficult to keep
animating him leaping and requested to DC to change his ability to flying.
(This was an especially convenient concept for short films, which would have
otherwise had to waste precious running time moving earthbound Clark Kent
from place to place.)

後來畫漫畫的人覺得"跳來跳去"不優(畫起來太麻煩?) 叫漫畫公司改成用飛的


[96] Writers gradually increased his powers to larger
extents during the Silver Age, in which Superman could fly to other worlds
and galaxies and even across universes with relative ease.[94] He would often
fly across the solar system to stop meteors from hitting the Earth, or
sometimes just to clear his head.

後來作者群們大幅度的buff了超人，甚至可以在不同銀河系之間飛來飛去
超人有事沒事就在太陽系飛行，有的時候是要阻止隕石撞地球，有時只是想冷靜一下

Writers found it increasingly difficult to
write Superman stories in which the character was believably challenged,[97]
so DC made a series of attempts to rein the character in. The most
significant attempt, John Byrne's 1986 rewrite, established several hard
limits on his abilities: He barely survives a nuclear blast, and his space
flights are limited by how long he can hold his breath.[98]

作者後來又覺得，這樣太威啦，後面的故事很難寫
所以有個叫John的人決定nerf一下超人
這個版本的超人被核彈炸到會死，在宇宙飛行的時候要閉氣 (就跟游泳一樣)


Superman's power levels have again increased since then, with Superman
currently possessing enough strength to hurl mountains, withstand nuclear
blasts with ease, fly into the sun unharmed, and survive in the vacuum of
outer space without oxygen.

不過又被buff回來啦
現在可以把一座山拔起來，核彈像搔癢
不但可以飛進太陽裡面毫髮無傷，在太空飛行也不用氧氣啦

The source of Superman's powers has changed subtly over the course of his
history. It was originally stated that Superman's abilities derived from his
Kryptonian heritage, which made him eons more evolved than humans.[72] This
was soon amended, with the source for the powers now based upon the
establishment of Krypton's gravity as having been stronger than that of the
Earth. This situation mirrors that of Edgar Rice Burroughs' John Carter. As
Superman's powers increased, the implication that all Kryptonians had
possessed the same abilities became problematic for writers, making it
doubtful that a race of such beings could have been wiped out by something as
trifling as an exploding planet. In part to counter this, the Superman
writers established that Kryptonians, whose native star Rao had been red,
only possessed superpowers under the light of a yellow sun.[99] More recent
stories have attempted to find a balance between the two explanations.

這邊就是超人的超能力來源，也是改來改去
總之就是來自於母星Krypton，一開始的設定是他從母星帶來的東西給他超能力

後來很快就改掉了，變成比較後期的設定
就是Krypton重力比地球大，所以在那邊的人天生就比較厲害

不過這又有點難自圓其說，這麼厲害的人種怎麼會因為行星爆炸就滅族了

所以追加了一項設定，就是超人這個種族(克立普頓人) 只有在黃色太陽底下才有超能力
不過剛好就是這麼衰，他們家鄉的太陽是紅色的



其實原po說的也是有道理啦，超人的超能力來自黃色太陽
感覺應該是不太能飛離太陽系太遠

不過設定裡面也有超人能夠在不同星系間飛行的能力
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powers_and_abilities_of_Superman
Flight across the universe to distant galaxies and solar systems through
hyperspace,flying through space warps near earth and emerging many light
years away.

另外這邊也提到超人還能藉由穿過hyperspace(超空間?)來穿越星系

好吧，結論就是設定大概也是有些矛盾的地方
所以才會有" More recent stories have attempted to find a balance between
the two explanations."這種狀況發生...吧?


ps. 我不是超人通，純粹查資料來的...有錯請指正

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推 qoo147318:那底褲外穿的含義是?
→ reconsider:如果有博士與超人同級能力 不穿或內衣外穿皆可
→ reconsider:比起曼哈頓 克拉克對自己的身體 還少了一分自信與驕傲
→ qoo147318:想看女超人內衣外穿,,,,XD
→ FlyinDeath:吃書啦～ XDD
推 DonaldDuck:推 整理的很認真
→ DonaldDuck:後期的超人如果飛到外太空基本上需要氧氣罩
→ DonaldDuck:如果沒有氧氣的話 超人也無法存活 可是可以憋氣很久
→ DonaldDuck:有很多版本，有些是憋氣15分鐘，有些是半小時以上
→ DonaldDuck:不過以超人的飛行速度 十五分鐘夠他從地球來回月球幾次
→ Pietro:內褲外穿是氪星的服裝模式的關係吧?
推 Aadmiral:推內行
推 char5577:曼哈頓表示:  超人??  (挖鼻孔)
推 amaranth:電影裡他家人跟逃犯都穿的很普通啊,那應該是個人興趣XD
推 Pietro:我是用漫畫作例子