[請益] 關於電影Sylvia中唸詩的疑問

[littlebinroy (Ulysses)]

想請問版上先進關於電影Sylvia中，詩人們聚會時以極快的
速度唸詩有何特殊傳統或只是那一群詩人的遊戲/練習呢？
以這樣子的方式來唸(似乎都是自己的)詩有什麼意義嗎？
或者那純粹是一種比賽(for fun)呢？
有其他詩人也這樣做嗎？

I wonder if this kind of "game" helps for creating poetry...
Thanks.
ps. This questions lingers on my mind for quite a while, I am afraid
it's a stupid question to ask...^^;

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作者: dale (冰城城主) 看板: poetry
標題: Re: [請益] 關於電影Sylvia中唸詩的疑問
時間: Fri Jan 14 15:16:49 2005

※ 引述《littlebinroy (Ulysses)》之銘言：
: 想請問版上先進關於電影Sylvia中，詩人們聚會時以極快的
: 速度唸詩有何特殊傳統或只是那一群詩人的遊戲/練習呢？
: 以這樣子的方式來唸(似乎都是自己的)詩有什麼意義嗎？
: 或者那純粹是一種比賽(for fun)呢？
: 有其他詩人也這樣做嗎？
: I wonder if this kind of "game" helps for creating poetry...
: Thanks.
: ps. This questions lingers on my mind for quite a while, I am afraid
: it's a stupid question to ask...^^;
        It is not a stupid question.  :)

        The lines of poetry recited weren't Plath.  They were Shakespeare.
        I personally find it incredible (and difficult) for any poet to recite
        his own verses at such speed, unless he is conceited enough to make a
        serious effort.  I can recite a few Shakespeares and Eliots, but none
        of my own.

        The scene was trying to depict the competitiveness (and perhaps
        elitism?) among Cambridge students, which would ultimately affect
        Plath's relation with Hughes: as wife and husband, as woman and man,
        as American and English, and of course, as fellow poets.

        I suppose those recitals did have positive effects on their poetry
        writing.  After all -- those who write, read.  But I, too, suspect
        that they served primarily as entertainment and competition, not
        self-improvement.

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作者: ianjelly (切記:處世圓融) 看板: poetry
標題: Re: [請益] 關於電影Sylvia中唸詩的疑問
時間: Fri Jan 14 18:24:54 2005

個人覺得 那些偉大詩人應該會記住很多文學作品的片段吧
片中Plath和Hughes撐篙時
Plath有感而發朗誦的Wife of Bath(Cantebury Tale)
應該也表示出唸文學的學生記詩的能力

老實說我不覺得驚訝
我幼稚園時學校要求背過三字經
小學(三年級開始)背頌唐詩
國中背木蘭詩及部分宋詞元曲
高中也有背詩及論語吧
而我相信大部分的同學都有此一經驗
而聽說中文系的學生也要背頌極多的中國文學作品
甚至被要求寫作崑曲劇本
老師還會抱怨學生在寫背景時將時令花朵擺錯(如菊花是秋天產物)

我們系上老師也鼓勵我們背英詩(還要求過 亦要求創作)
平時文學考試考id即是鼓勵學生記誦文學作品及留意作家寫作技巧
真的背詩之後詩的韻律就會稍內化於心
因此我想這或許是唸文學學生的訓練吧
或者 詩的意涵已成為我們文化中的一部份
如看到夕陽時 一般人直覺馬上聯想到"夕陽無限好, 只是近黃昏"這句
※ 引述《dale (冰城城主)》之銘言：
:         It is not a stupid question.  :)
:         The lines of poetry recited weren't Plath.  They were Shakespeare.
:         I personally find it incredible (and difficult) for any poet to recite
:         his own verses at such speed, unless he is conceited enough to make a
:         serious effort.  I can recite a few Shakespeares and Eliots, but none
:         of my own.
:         The scene was trying to depict the competitiveness (and perhaps
:         elitism?) among Cambridge students, which would ultimately affect
:         Plath's relation with Hughes: as wife and husband, as woman and man,
:         as American and English, and of course, as fellow poets.
:         I suppose those recitals did have positive effects on their poetry
:         writing.  After all -- those who write, read.  But I, too, suspect
:         that they served primarily as entertainment and competition, not
:         self-improvement.
※ 編輯: ianjelly        來自: 140.119.137.42       (01/14 18:26)

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作者: dale (冰城城主) 看板: poetry
標題: Re: [請益] 關於電影Sylvia中唸詩的疑問
時間: Sat Jan 15 01:39:13 2005

※ 引述《ianjelly (切記:處世圓融)》之銘言：
: 或者 詩的意涵已成為我們文化中的一部份
: 如看到夕陽時 一般人直覺馬上聯想到"夕陽無限好, 只是近黃昏"這句
        妳說得很好，我同意。

        在「詩，必須精簡」的前提下，讓簡短的辭彙聯繫到其它文學作品
        是很重要的工具。最近在讀的書也提到：

                "You can hardly say 'incarnadine' without one or
                more of your auditors thinking of a particular
                line of verse."  -- Ezra Pound, "ABC of Reading"

        然後詩的解讀（解碼？！）也因此依讀者對文學的涉獵程度不同
        而有許多層次。:)

        （雖然我仍然不能理解 Pound 到底是指 Macbeth 的海，
        還是 Roethke 的鬼……>"<）

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作者: dale (冰城城主) 看板: poetry
標題: Re: [請益] 關於電影Sylvia中唸詩的疑問
時間: Tue Jan 18 15:34:14 2005

※ 引述《dale (冰城城主)》之銘言：
:         （雖然我仍然不能理解 Pound 到底是指 Macbeth 的海，
:         還是 Roethke 的鬼……>"<）
                （大概沒有人在乎但……）我查到了，
                Epidermal Macabre　出版於 1941 年的 Open House，
                而 The ABC of Reading 則是 1934 年的書。
                所以應該是指 Macbeth 的海：

                        Whence is that knocking?
                        How is't with me, when every noise appals me?
                        What hands are here? ha! they pluck out mine eyes.
                        Will all great Neptune's ocean wash this blood
                        Clean from my hand?  No, this my hand will rather
                        The multitudinous seas in incarnadine,
                        Making the green one red.

                這樣也比較合理。:D

                就是這樣（查到了真高興）……*害羞地跑開*

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