I got many problems now, pff.
Can anyone explain the general ideas of the following 3 peoms for me?
1. My Heart Leaps Up
My heart leaps up when I behold
A rainbow in the sky:
So was it when my life began:
So is it now I am a man:
So be it when I shall grow old,
Or let me die!
The Child is father of the Man;
And I could wish my days to be
Bound each to each by natural peity.
2. When You Are Old
When you are old and grey and full of sleep,
And nodding by the fire, take down this book,
And slowly read, and dream of the soft look
Your eyes had once, and of their shadows deep;
How many loved your moments of glad grace,
And loved your beauty with love false or true,
But one man loved the pilgrim soul in you,
And loved the sorrows of your changing face;
And bending down beside the glowing bars,
Murmur, a little sadly, how Love fled
And paced upon the mountains overhead
And hid his face amid a crowd of stars.
3. The Eagle
He clasps the crag with crooked hands;
Close to the sun in lonely lands,
Ringed with the azure world, he stands.
The wrinkled sea beneath him crawls;
He watches from his mountain walls,
And like a thunderbolt he falls.
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作者: julians (給我樂透其餘免談) 看板: poetry
標題: Re: can anyone do me a favor?
時間: Wed May 29 12:31:20 2002
※ 引述《mauvaise (煩死了)》之銘言：
: I got many problems now, pff.
: Can anyone explain the general ideas of the following 3 peoms for me?
: 1. My Heart Leaps Up
: My heart leaps up when I behold
: A rainbow in the sky:
: So was it when my life began:
: So is it now I am a man:
: So be it when I shall grow old,
: Or let me die!
: The Child is father of the Man;
: And I could wish my days to be
: Bound each to each by natural peity.
Romanticism時代認為 (esp. Rousseau and Wordsworth)
Children know more than the adults.
Children are closer to nature and purer and they represent more
the essence of human beings. That is, they are closer to the truth.
"The Child is father of the Man"
: 2. When You Are Old
: When you are old and grey and full of sleep,
: And nodding by the fire, take down this book,
: And slowly read, and dream of the soft look
: Your eyes had once, and of their shadows deep;
: How many loved your moments of glad grace,
: And loved your beauty with love false or true,
: But one man loved the pilgrim soul in you,
: And loved the sorrows of your changing face;
: And bending down beside the glowing bars,
: Murmur, a little sadly, how Love fled
: And paced upon the mountains overhead
: And hid his face amid a crowd of stars.
: 3. The Eagle
: He clasps the crag with crooked hands;
: Close to the sun in lonely lands,
: Ringed with the azure world, he stands.
: The wrinkled sea beneath him crawls;
: He watches from his mountain walls,
: And like a thunderbolt he falls.
Tennyson的這首詩比較literally的讀法
是把ealge做personification
"hands"="crawls"
不過直得注意的是"crooked" and "falls"
crooked除了表"彎曲的"之意也表示了"墮落的"
和line 6的fall相呼應
("fall" indicates老鷹從高處落下的姿態同時也imply the depravity.
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作者: skyhawk (冰城城主) 看板: poetry
標題: Re: can anyone do me a favor?
時間: Wed May 29 18:45:29 2002
※ 引述《julians (給我樂透其餘免談)》之銘言：
: Romanticism時代認為 (esp. Rousseau and Wordsworth)
... and Blake! ;)
: 不過直得注意的是"crooked" and "falls"
: crooked除了表"彎曲的"之意也表示了"墮落的"
: 和line 6的fall相呼應
: ("fall" indicates老鷹從高處落下的姿態同時也imply the depravity.
are you implying the biblical implication of "fallen?"
would it be a wild guess to relate this eagle with proud ol' lucifer? :)
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作者: julians (給我樂透其餘免談) 看板: poetry
標題: Re: can anyone do me a favor?
時間: Fri May 31 01:11:47 2002
※ 引述《skyhawk (冰城城主)》之銘言：
: ※ 引述《julians (給我樂透其餘免談)》之銘言：
: : Romanticism時代認為 (esp. Rousseau and Wordsworth)
: ... and Blake! ;)
: : 不過直得注意的是"crooked" and "falls"
: : crooked除了表"彎曲的"之意也表示了"墮落的"
: : 和line 6的fall相呼應
: : ("fall" indicates老鷹從高處落下的姿態同時也imply the depravity.
: are you implying the biblical implication of "fallen?"
: would it be a wild guess to relate this eagle with proud ol' lucifer? :)
well..the implication of fall, which means depravity, comes from
the word crooked. That is, the use of "crooked" connotes the possible meaning
of "fall" as depravity.
However, it is also true that "fall" is not restricted to the fall of
Lucifer or Adam. After I consulted my English literature teacher, he said
"it is not neccessary that "fall" is related to the depravity of "Lucifer" or
"Adam. If we want to justify this point, we have to do research on more
Tennyson's poems." But it is noticeable that "fall" interpreted as related
to "depraved" is supported by lots of professors in literature in my
department.
In conclusion, I'm not trying to definitely relate "fall" to the fall
of Lucifer or Adam. But the case is that "fall" does denoate the meaning of
depravity. That is, we seem not to have to resort to the Bible to infer
the meaning of "fall" as "depravity." It seems a natural interpretation if
we look closely at literally meanings.
By the way, in this poem, personification is one key figure of speech.
Since Tennyson personified the eagle, the depravity of human beings or
someone (maybe he was referring to someone) might be analogous to the eagle.
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作者: WebLKK (韋布魯柯克) 看板: poetry
標題: Re: can anyone do me a favor?
時間: Fri May 31 15:12:02 2002
※ 引述《julians (給我樂透其餘免談)》之銘言：
: ※ 引述《skyhawk (冰城城主)》之銘言：
關於 Tennyson 的 The Eagle 這首詩，
我倒不把它想得那麼複雜，
我冥想詩人獨立海邊，見到一隻「鷹」獵食的過程而已。
全詩分成四個情境：He clasps / he stands / He watches / he falls.
前三個是靜態的準備動作，最後一個是動態的執行動作。
海邊峭壁上的鷹，俯衝而下，當然不是表演特技，當然不是想不開要自殺，
應該也不是「失足」跌落，只為了「鷹以食為天」。
當然，實情也只有鷹自己知道它在做什麼：）
當然，意境也只有詩人自己知道。
我（們）都是在瞎猜罷了。
倒是這首詩的韻比較特殊：都是帶有小「s」，前三行同韻，後三行同另一個韻，
構成 aaa bbb 的形式。
p.s.以上純屬個人意見，別太當真。
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作者: Dannan (知者不言) 看板: poetry
標題: Re: can anyone do me a favor?
時間: Fri May 31 23:02:07 2002
※ 引述《WebLKK (韋布魯柯克)》之銘言：
: ※ 引述《julians (給我樂透其餘免談)》之銘言：
: 關於 Tennyson 的 The Eagle 這首詩，
: 我倒不把它想得那麼複雜，
: 我冥想詩人獨立海邊，見到一隻「鷹」獵食的過程而已。
: 全詩分成四個情境：He clasps / he stands / He watches / he falls.
: 前三個是靜態的準備動作，最後一個是動態的執行動作。
: 海邊峭壁上的鷹，俯衝而下，當然不是表演特技，當然不是想不開要自殺，
: 應該也不是「失足」跌落，只為了「鷹以食為天」。
: 當然，實情也只有鷹自己知道它在做什麼：）
: 當然，意境也只有詩人自己知道。
: 我（們）都是在瞎猜罷了。
: 倒是這首詩的韻比較特殊：都是帶有小「s」，前三行同韻，後三行同另一個韻，
: 構成 aaa bbb 的形式。
: p.s.以上純屬個人意見，別太當真。
其實容易被忽略的是它的頭韻,
英詩翻譯中最棘手幾乎不可能的任務之一.
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作者: skyhawk (冰城城主) 看板: poetry
標題: Re: can anyone do me a favor?
時間: Fri May 31 23:03:40 2002
※ 引述《WebLKK (韋布魯柯克)》之銘言：
: 當然，實情也只有鷹自己知道它在做什麼：）
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: 當然，意境也只有詩人自己知道。
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
恕刪. 說得好啊! ^^
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作者: julians (給我樂透其餘免談) 看板: poetry
標題: Re: can anyone do me a favor?
時間: Sat Jun 1 01:18:45 2002
※ 引述《WebLKK (韋布魯柯克)》之銘言：
: ※ 引述《julians (給我樂透其餘免談)》之銘言：
: 關於 Tennyson 的 The Eagle 這首詩，
: 我倒不把它想得那麼複雜，
: 我冥想詩人獨立海邊，見到一隻「鷹」獵食的過程而已。
: 全詩分成四個情境：He clasps / he stands / He watches / he falls.
: 前三個是靜態的準備動作，最後一個是動態的執行動作。
: 海邊峭壁上的鷹，俯衝而下，當然不是表演特技，當然不是想不開要自殺，
: 應該也不是「失足」跌落，只為了「鷹以食為天」。
: 當然，實情也只有鷹自己知道它在做什麼：）
: 當然，意境也只有詩人自己知道。
: 我（們）都是在瞎猜罷了。
: 倒是這首詩的韻比較特殊：都是帶有小「s」，前三行同韻，後三行同另一個韻，
: 構成 aaa bbb 的形式。
: p.s.以上純屬個人意見，別太當真。
呵..還有一個在讀這首詩可以注意的就是敘述者
描寫那隻老鷹的觀點
鏡頭會在遠景跟近景切換喲
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作者: WebLKK (韋布魯柯克) 看板: poetry
標題: Re: can anyone do me a favor?
時間: Sat Jun 1 07:34:12 2002
※ 引述《julians (給我樂透其餘免談)》之銘言：
: ※ 引述《WebLKK (韋布魯柯克)》之銘言：
: : 全詩分成四個情境：He clasps / he stands / He watches / he falls.
: : 前三個是靜態的準備動作，最後一個是動態的執行動作。
: 呵..還有一個在讀這首詩可以注意的就是敘述者
: 描寫那隻老鷹的觀點
: 鏡頭會在遠景跟近景切換喲
如果我會畫漫畫的話，我覺得這首詩是四格漫畫的好劇本。
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作者: WebLKK (韋布魯柯克) 看板: poetry
標題: Re: can anyone do me a favor?
時間: Sat Jun 1 07:40:29 2002
※ 引述《Dannan (知者不言)》之銘言：
: 其實容易被忽略的是它的頭韻,
: 英詩翻譯中最棘手幾乎不可能的任務之一.
說到頭韻，不知道是不是我的舌頭或喉嚨的結構有問題，
這七個（clasps / crags / crooked / close / wrinkled / crawls ）字
令我感到這首詩唸得有點痛苦，特別是第一行，有點像繞口令。
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作者: skyhawk (冰城城主) 看板: poetry
標題: Re: can anyone do me a favor?
時間: Sat Jun 1 11:21:39 2002
※ 引述《WebLKK (韋布魯柯克)》之銘言：
: ※ 引述《Dannan (知者不言)》之銘言：
: : 其實容易被忽略的是它的頭韻,
: : 英詩翻譯中最棘手幾乎不可能的任務之一.
: 說到頭韻，不知道是不是我的舌頭或喉嚨的結構有問題，
: 這七個（clasps / crags / crooked / close / wrinkled / crawls ）字
: 令我感到這首詩唸得有點痛苦，特別是第一行，有點像繞口令。
英詩有時會借著這種方式來得到讀者的注意力.. ^^
所以 這幾個有 alliteration 的字 應該是有些關係的
也很有可能是這首詩的重點呢!~