推 loserfeizie: 你也4,講重點! 115.82.67.248 12/17 21:07
→ houseman1104: 我判決理由本文只打了一頁= = 140.114.23.233 12/17 21:09
→ Xavy: 都畫重點給你了 36.227.219.243 12/17 21:09
→ Yijhen0525: 最後三段純粹是閒聊 1.160.173.38 12/17 21:11
推 As1649: 人太好了吧~ 36.231.55.216 12/17 21:31
→ Yijhen0525: 我可以承認我有違反4-3-3 1.160.173.38 12/17 23:23
→ Yijhen0525: 但6-1-4就不適用 1.160.173.38 12/17 23:23
→ houseman1104: 我上面已經解釋過我是如何判定4-3-1 42.73.190.174 12/17 23:46
→ houseman1104: 以及4-3-2之違規 42.73.190.174 12/17 23:46
→ houseman1104: 如果你對於我的看法有疑義,還請針 42.73.190.174 12/17 23:47
→ houseman1104: 對此兩條違規回應 42.73.190.174 12/17 23:47
→ Yijhen0525: 如果你的說明能像pp1877那樣說服我 1.160.173.38 12/17 23:50
→ Yijhen0525: 我就信 1.160.173.38 12/17 23:51
→ Yijhen0525: 我做那樣的描述,沒必要動到6-1-4吧 1.160.173.38 12/17 23:52
→ houseman1104: 4-3-3僅保障客觀描述板史,你自承已 42.73.190.174 12/17 23:54
→ houseman1104: 經愉悅4-3-3之規範 42.73.190.174 12/17 23:54
→ houseman1104: 打錯,逾越 42.73.190.174 12/17 23:54
→ houseman1104: 則判定為偷渡討論板務,依照4-3-1、 42.73.190.174 12/17 23:54
→ houseman1104: 4-3-2處理 42.73.190.174 12/17 23:54
推 zizc06719: 愉悅 36.227.111.252 12/17 23:55
→ Yijhen0525: 但說偷渡討論也不對 1.160.173.38 12/17 23:56
→ Yijhen0525: 因為我只是不夠客觀 1.160.173.38 12/17 23:56
→ uu26793: 偷稅 115.165.245.17 12/17 23:56
→ Yijhen0525: 毫無討論版務的意思 1.160.173.38 12/17 23:56
→ Yijhen0525: 版規不可能十全十美,一定有灰色地帶 1.160.173.38 12/17 23:57
→ Yijhen0525: 至於這灰色地帶,就是考驗各版主智慧 1.160.173.38 12/17 23:58
→ Yijhen0525: 既然他能說服我,那你應該也可以,對吧 1.160.173.38 12/17 23:59
→ houseman1104: 固然有灰色地帶之問題,然而板主有 42.73.190.174 12/17 23:59
→ houseman1104: 判定違規與否之義務,我根據文字上 42.73.190.174 12/17 23:59
→ houseman1104: 的敘述判定為有討論之事實,還祈請 42.73.190.174 12/17 23:59
→ houseman1104: 諒解 42.73.190.174 12/17 23:59
→ Yijhen0525: 但直接拿6-1-4似乎又不太對呢 1.160.173.38 12/18 00:00
→ Yijhen0525: 能讓我接受,我就服你 1.160.173.38 12/18 00:00
→ houseman1104: 為維護版友討論之權益,板主不會主 42.73.190.174 12/18 00:01
→ houseman1104: 動抓灰色地帶之違規,然而本案係屬 42.73.190.174 12/18 00:01
→ houseman1104: 板友檢舉,我必須認定違規與否,本 42.73.190.174 12/18 00:01
→ houseman1104: 文上色部分即為判決違規之依據 42.73.190.174 12/18 00:01
→ Yijhen0525: 我只告訴你,最後一句是錯的 1.160.173.38 12/18 00:02
推 JPIGHEAD: 別這樣 房子人你還被人家踩過 1.161.230.241 12/18 00:02
→ Yijhen0525: 前面兩句pp1877解釋過,我服從 1.160.173.38 12/18 00:03
→ houseman1104: 另外你於發文之後,也有以推文之方 42.73.190.174 12/18 00:03
→ houseman1104: 式參與討論 42.73.190.174 12/18 00:03
→ Yijhen0525: 黃色部份,那也是敘述 1.160.173.38 12/18 00:04
→ Yijhen0525: 敘述是有問題,但跟板務的關係是兩回事 1.160.173.38 12/18 00:05
→ Yijhen0525: 就算敘述有問題,也該用敘述問題處理 1.160.173.38 12/18 00:06
→ houseman1104: 我不認為廢文、沒梗文不是敘述,其 42.73.190.174 12/18 00:06
→ houseman1104: 很明顯為主觀感受 42.73.190.174 12/18 00:06
→ Yijhen0525: 而不是直接說偷渡討論版規打死 1.160.173.38 12/18 00:06
→ houseman1104: 打錯,我不認為廢文、沒梗文是敘述 42.73.190.174 12/18 00:07
→ Yijhen0525: 有問題的論述跟偷渡討論是兩回事啊 1.160.173.38 12/18 00:07
→ Yijhen0525: 你可以說我敘述有問題 1.160.173.38 12/18 00:08
→ Yijhen0525: 但不能因此扯到討論版務 1.160.173.38 12/18 00:08
→ Yijhen0525: 扯到討論版務這點就扯遠了 1.160.173.38 12/18 00:08
→ Yijhen0525: 因為敘述問題而引該法條 1.160.173.38 12/18 00:09
→ Yijhen0525: 就表示現在的版規還不夠完善 1.160.173.38 12/18 00:09
→ Yijhen0525: 因為不知道該拿哪條 1.160.173.38 12/18 00:10
→ Yijhen0525: 就只好拿看起來接近的,但這會有問題 1.160.173.38 12/18 00:10
→ Yijhen0525: 事實上現在就是有引錯版規的問題 1.160.173.38 12/18 00:10
→ Yijhen0525: 這部份的版規,是否應該修正了呢? 1.160.173.38 12/18 00:11
→ Yijhen0525: 還是說以後碰到類似的狀況,再吵一次? 1.160.173.38 12/18 00:11
→ Yijhen0525: 自始至終我本來就沒有要偷渡討論版規 1.160.173.38 12/18 00:12
→ Yijhen0525: 我有權利表達這件事的陳述 1.160.173.38 12/18 00:12
→ houseman1104: 我的認定是只要摻雜有個人觀點,即 42.73.190.174 12/18 00:12
→ houseman1104: 逾越敘述之定義而為討論 42.73.190.174 12/18 00:12
→ Yijhen0525: 至於版規的問題嘛,就是版主的智慧囉 1.160.173.38 12/18 00:13
→ houseman1104: 如果你對於相關板規有意見,可以在 42.73.190.174 12/18 00:13
→ houseman1104: 這邊發文討論 42.73.190.174 12/18 00:13
→ Yijhen0525: 現在時間也晚了,明天我就來一篇 1.160.173.38 12/18 00:15
→ Yijhen0525: 另外思考不只是版眾的事情 1.160.173.38 12/18 00:15
→ Yijhen0525: 版主有時也要去思考 1.160.173.38 12/18 00:15
→ Yijhen0525: 這種事就當作學經驗吧,互相學習也好 1.160.173.38 12/18 00:15
→ houseman1104: 板主看到已經有在討論板規修改方向 42.73.190.174 12/18 00:16
→ houseman1104: ,如果你有注意到的話置底新板規草 42.73.190.174 12/18 00:16
→ houseman1104: 案有不斷進行微調 42.73.190.174 12/18 00:16
→ houseman1104: 基本上現行板規就是不好用,可是新 42.73.190.174 12/18 00:17
→ houseman1104: 板規上路前還是必須遵守 42.73.190.174 12/18 00:17
推 dderfken: 違反4-3-3? 是指超過4-3-3界定範圍的話 101.15.149.125 12/18 03:56
→ dderfken: 不就是4-3-1或4-3-2的範疇了 101.15.149.125 12/18 03:56
→ dderfken: 這樣拿6-1-4是沒錯了啊 101.15.149.125 12/18 03:57