[外電] 回顧騎士-灰狼交易

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        今天看到ESPN一篇球評的文章，
        寫的大致也是我的感想，就翻譯一下好了

        簡單的說，Wiggins雖然有潛力但是發展上跟當初若留他的期待上有落差，
        而Love的強項卻能跟騎士現有陣容互補

        騎士灰狼各取所需，是個雙贏的交易。

    Did the Cavaliers win the Andrew Wiggins-Kevin Love trade?
        騎士在這筆交易中是贏家嗎？

    The trade the Cleveland Cavaliers and Minnesota Timberwolves made
    17 months ago will go down as one of the most fascinating in NBA
    history. The deal, headlined by Kevin Love going to Cleveland and
    Andrew Wiggins to Minnesota, involved the eventual Rookie of the
    Year (Wiggins) and a three-time All-Star in his prime (Love).
        17個月前騎士和灰狼做了一筆驚天動地的交易。
        內容主要是用一個新秀狀元（之後拿到了年度菜鳥獎）
        換來一個正處於顛峰的三度全明星球員

    A year and a half later, we can still reasonably pose the
    question: When Cleveland traded Wiggins, the No. 1 overall pick,
    for Love, did they win or lose the deal?
        一年半過去了，我們還是可以問這個問題：
        騎士選擇交易Wiggins，到底是贏還是輸了呢？

    As the teams prepare to meet tonight in Minneapolis (ESPN 8 PM
    ET), there's no question the Timberwolves would make the trade
    again, with Wiggins and 2015 top pick Karl-Anthony Towns emerging
    as the cornerstones of a promising young team.
        兩隊等會兒就要開戰，毫無疑問灰狼如果重來一次，他們也肯定
        會做這個交易，現在的他們有著兩個年輕的基石-
        Wiggins + Karl-Anthony Towns

    Despite the potential Wiggins has flashed at age 20, however, the
    Cavaliers also have to be satisfied with the results of the trade
    given their very different needs as a team.
        然而，即使擁有年輕20歲肉體的Wiggins前程似錦，騎士隊應該也要對
        交易所帶來的球隊變化感到滿意才是。

    What if Wiggins were in Cleveland?
        如果Wiggins在騎士隊？

    When LeBron James decided to return to the Cavaliers as a free
    agent weeks after they drafted Wiggins, fans envisioned the two
    No. 1 picks teaming up on the wing, a la Michael Jordan and
    Scottie Pippen, with Wiggins eventually supplanting James as the
    team's centerpiece. But the way Wiggins has developed in Minnesota
    hasn't matched that ideal scenario.
        當Lebron決定回歸克城之後，不少粉絲夢想著兩個狀元一起扛著
        重要的球隊2-3號位，很自然的聯想到MJ-Pippen的完美組合，
        然而Wiggins這一年半在灰狼的發展卻跟當時的想像相去甚遠。

    While Wiggins is ahead of schedule as a scorer, averaging 20.1
    points per game in his second season, the rest of his game lags
    behind. As I've discussed with fellow Insider Chad Ford, Wiggins
    has yet to translate his immense athleticism into box-score
    production at the defensive end.
        Wiggins的確在得分爆發力這點上超乎人們預期，本季已經能
        平均得20.1分。但是他其他技能上卻低於當時人們的預測。
        我和我的同事Chad Ford就曾經深刻撰文討論過Wiggins目前為止
        還沒有把他巨大的天賦轉化到防守端上。

    The 6-foot-8 Wiggins is grabbing just 7.3 percent of available
    defensive rebounds, putting him near the bottom 10 among all
    players who have seen at least 500 minutes of action, and his
    steal rate (1.1 per 100 plays) is below average for a shooting
    guard (1.6). Pippen he is not.
        這位6呎八寸的二年級生目前僅僅只能抓到所有可抓的防守籃板裡的7.3%，
        這數字是本季打了500分鐘以上的球員裡的倒數十名。
        而他的抄截數- 每100次只有1.1次也遠低於一般2號位的均值 (1.6)。
        很明顯他不是Pippen級別的防守者。

    At this stage of his career, Wiggins' best skill is his ability to
    create his own shot. He's using 28.6 percent of the
    Timberwolves' plays to attempt a shot, get to the foul line or
    commit a turnover, the highest usage rate for a second-year player
    since 2012-13, according to Basketball-Reference.com. But Wiggins
    hasn't been a particularly efficient scorer, making just 46.6
    percent of his 2-point attempts and 23.5 percent of his 3s.
        目前看來，Wiggins的最佳技術在於他能尋找出手機會。
        他的USG%是自從2012-13年以來的二年級生的最高值，達到28.6%。
        但是Wiggins本身並不是一個有效率的得分者，他的兩分球命中率
        僅有46.6%，三分球僅有23.5%。

    The last thing Cleveland needs, when healthy, is another shot
    creator. James is one of the league's most efficient creators, and
    the last sophomore with a higher usage rate than Wiggins just
    happened to be Cavaliers point guard Kyrie Irving. Because of
    their presence, Love has seen his own usage rate dip from 28.8
    percent his final season in Minnesota to 21.7 percent in 2014-15
    and 23.5 percent so far this season.
        當騎士對健康的時候，他們最不需要的就是另一個能創造自己投籃機會
        的球員。Lebron身為聯盟這一方面最有效率的球員，而KI則是前面提到
        那唯二在二年級USG%就高達28.6%以上的人。
        事實上因為Lebron和KI，Love的USG%從28.8%降到去年的21.7%和今年
        的23.5%。

    A smaller role would help Wiggins' efficiency, to some extent, but
    it wouldn't highlight his strengths. For the most part,
    Cleveland's other wing players besides James have been used as
    spot-up shooters, and Wiggins struggles in that role.
        當然，Wiggins若在騎士不會有這麼高的USG%，所以他的效率或許會
        略優。然而騎士需要他的地方，目前為止他也沒有展現出來。
        換句話來說，擁有Lebron的騎士，在另一個側翼球員的選擇上必定
        是一個3D球員，能防守，並且有精準的定點投射能力，而Wiggins
        並不適合這個角色。

    According to Synergy Sports tracking on NBA.com/Stats, 38 percent
    of plays involving the Cavaliers' non-LeBron wings have come in
    spot-up situations, and they've collectively posted an effective
    field-goal percentage (eFG, which weights 3-pointers as 1.5 field
    goals to reflect their added value) of 57.7 percent on those
    shots.
        用官網的統計來看，在非Lebron的側翼球員裡，有38%的投射都是
        定點投射。而這些球員很有效率的有著eFG% 57.7%。

    By contrast, just eight percent of Wiggins' plays have been spot-
    up attempts, and he's got a dismal 35.6 percent eFG on those
    plays.
        相反的，Wiggins的投射中只有8%是定點投籃，而且eFG%只有可悲的
        35.6%。

    Wiggins in Cleveland wouldn't have been all bad, of course. He
    already has proved to be an excellent post-up scorer, shooting
    48.6 percent in post opportunities, according to Synergy, and
    could have taken advantage of smaller defenders playing shooting
    guard next to James.
        當然，Wiggins若留在騎士並不會全是壞的，他已經證明他是個出色的
        低位得分者（48.6%低位命中率），而如果他留下來打2號位，
        那這個數字只會更優（因為對到較小的防守者）。

    Still, the developing Wiggins doesn't fit what the Cavaliers need
    from their wing players -- floor spacing and perimeter defense --
    nearly as well as lesser talents like Iman Shumpert and J.R.
    Smith.
        不論如何，Wiggins發展出來的技能並不適合騎士的需要。
        有著香波和JR的騎士隊現在能在這些點上做得更好。

    How does Love fit in?
        那來談談愛吧？

    Meanwhile, for all the concern about how Love has fit in (or fit
    out), Cleveland has been rolling along. Since David Blatt went to
    a lineup with a healthy Irving at point guard and Tristan Thompson
    at center in place of Timofey Mozgov, the Cavaliers are 5-0 and
    the starters are outscoring opponents by 20.1 points per 100
    possessions, per NBA.com/Stats.
        同時間，當大家還在關心Love是在fit in還是fit out時候，
        騎士隊並沒有停下進步的腳步。自從Blatt把TT換成先發，和健康的KI回歸
        騎士拿下五連勝，而且這組先發陣容可以在每100次球權中贏對手20.1分！

    More generally, Cleveland has been outstanding when Love plays
    with Thompson this season, posting a plus-14.1 net rating per 100
    possessions -- far better than the Cavaliers' plus-1.0 net rating
    when Love plays with Mozgov. As impressive, Love-Thompson lineups
    have allowed just 98.3 points per 100 possessions, a rate that
    would put them fourth in the league. (Cleveland ranks seventh
    overall in defensive rating.)
        一般而言，本季的比賽中，當Love和TT同時在場上時他們打得極為出色。
        在每100次球權中能贏對手14.1分 -- 這數據遠比Love和
        馬仔狗一起上場時為優(1.1分/100球員）。同樣令人驚豔的還有他們
        兩人搭擋扛內線時的防守效率，在每一百次球權中僅讓對手得98.3分，
        這可以讓騎士防守排到全聯盟第四（目前為第七）

    There's one lineup combination that has been even better for the
    Cavaliers this season: Love at center and James at power forward.
    That combo has outscored opponents by an incredible 28.9 points
    per 100 possessions in 70 minutes, posting a 122.9 offensive
    rating and, more remarkably, a stout 94.0 defensive rating.
        不過這還不是本季騎士最屌的組合，騎士本季最有效率的組合是
        Love打中鋒，Lebron打大前的時候，在每100次球權中能贏對手28.9分
        即使僅短短出現過70分鐘，但是有著進攻指數122.9和防守指數94.0的誇張
        效率。
        （註：這讓我想到季初勇士的超級五小好像是+3x-4x/100球權？^^)

    It remains to be seen how effective Love at center can be over
    longer stretches, given his limitations as a rim protector, but it
    makes sense that a smaller lineup would create better looks for
    Cleveland on offense.
        當然因為Love並不是出色的禁區防守者，他打五號的時間會有多長
        不無疑問，但是很顯然小陣容能讓騎士的進攻更有效率。

    Though Love hasn't been an outstanding 3-point shooter since
    joining the Cavaliers, making 36.6 percent of his attempts the
    past season and a half, opponents still must respect his outside
    shooting. That has opened things up for James, in particular. Each
    of the past two seasons, James has shot much more accurately in
    terms of effective field-goal percentage with Love on the court.
        另外雖然Love在騎士以來的三分命中率並不特別出色，只有36.6%，
        對手球員還是必須要去防守他的三分投射。而拉開空間這點幫助了Lebron。
        事實上Lebron的投籃命中率跟Love在不在場上息息相關。

    LeBron needs Love
        Lebron需要愛
    Season  eFG with Love   eFG without
    2014-15 .555                .497
    2015-16 .552                .457

    For the same reason Wiggins' shot creation wouldn't be as valuable
    in Cleveland, Love is never going to maximize his individual
    skills playing with James and Irving. But that's true almost any
    time that star players team up, and Love brings enough
    complementary skills to the table that he can still be dangerous
    in a smaller role.
        同樣的道理，Wiggins的投籃則並不會幫助騎士太多。Love在騎士
        的確無法最大化自己的個人表現，但是這對多明星球隊而言並非新聞。
        Love有辦法在有限的空間裡讓自己對騎士團隊起到幫助。

    That's what distinguishes him from the current version of Wiggins,
    and that's what makes both Cleveland and Minnesota winners of the
    trade.
        而這也是為什麼Love比Wiggins更適合騎士的原因。當然這也讓騎士和
        灰狼都是交易中的贏家。

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        這篇文章我覺得大致說得沒錯 ->
        在有限空間裡Love所會的技能對騎士較有幫助，Wiggins則屬於
        需要球隊給他幫助。
        即使我對Love也有失望的時候，不過Wiggins在也並不會改變Love沒做好
        的那些地方。
        當然如果這交易沒成，後續一些交易也不會出現，也許現在大家也還在
        煩惱要怎麼丟掉服務生。

        不過看來每年對到灰狼都會來回顧一下這交易，至少我是覺得這交易
        是很正確的，能實在的，即時的，幫助到騎士。

        別忘了騎士過去一整年有Love-KI-LBJ的戰績是40-4，沒有後悔的理由 ^^

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推 JayFans0610: 看Wiggins的表現我認為交易走Wiggins是正確的 XD
→ JayFans0610: 就像Yahoo那篇文中Love說的，這是一個正確的交易
→ JayFans0610: 去年的受傷基本上就是突發狀況，撇開受傷交易很棒
→ JayFans0610: 很多人都只著眼於Love的數據、表現，而忽略了他在場
→ JayFans0610: 上對騎士的進攻是有很大的Buff作用，特別是在有KI跟
→ JayFans0610: LeBron這兩位頂級切入球員的情況下
推 Jotard: 昨天在總版看到相關文章  joulin在推文電酸民電到語無倫次
推 cherngru: 電酸民電到語無論次是什麼鬼XDD
推 Jotard: 哈  我的意思是joulin大把酸民電到語無倫次啦  上面沒打好
→ kaede0711: 蠻馬後炮，AW在騎士就會往不同方向養成，拿在灰狼打出
→ kaede0711: 的型態直接套用在騎士的定位去想像根本沒意義，Love能
→ kaede0711: 帶來的優缺點也是本來就能想像的
→ gigiii1134: AW的防守與跳投會因為在騎士養一年就遠勝灰狼嗎？
推 jinpenchi: 有可能阿，國王不會養成不少球員1季不到就丟了
→ jinpenchi: 灰狼養成系統僅次於國王，如果沒稍微有天分不可能還留
→ jinpenchi: 在隊上，不過換約期就差不多見真章了
→ jinpenchi: 在騎士本來就不可能有甚麼球權，只能練三分和防守吧
→ jinpenchi: 騎士其實還是虧的，從薪資上來講和上季季初荒腔走板來
→ jinpenchi: 看，正常也要季前把所有陣容用好，結果季中又被搶了一
→ jinpenchi: 次，現在有可能不會留Moz和Delly來講的話.......
→ jinpenchi: 未來正常的話戰力只會越來越弱
→ kaede0711: 說應該要用可愛或是PG那種養成方式根本沒考慮到他們那
→ kaede0711: 種養法是因為隊上本來就有一哥，AW去灰狼根本沒有這種
→ kaede0711: 球員，養成方式當然不可能跟還在騎士一樣
推 joulin: Delly一定要劉的 誰說不會劉?
推 JayFans0610: 追究這些也沒有用了  事實就是Wiggins現在不要說Gay
推 JayFans0610: 論三分論防守他都不如Shump  我不就不信他在騎士就能
→ JayFans0610: 成長的多快　
推 arenasis: 如果球團能很耐心的以建立體系為優先,並且老闆跟LeBron
→ arenasis: 都願意放緩腳步促成這種文化的建立,那便可以不用交易
→ arenasis: Wiggins,實際上辦不到
→ arenasis: 所以要衝冠就專心走下去
→ arenasis: 但是我想過一個假設,如果選進Wiggins/LeBron歸來,但是
→ arenasis: Love並沒有被擺上交易,那騎士會幹嘛?
推 JayFans0610: 尋求交易AGG吧 XD
→ arenasis: 有道理:P
推 jinpenchi: 我只是要說帳面上論球員上好像雙贏，其實騎士根本虧慘
→ jinpenchi: 而且Delly和Moz今年暑假跑掉機率很大....這樣又白白浪
→ jinpenchi: 費了兩個首輪選秀簽
推 jinpenchi: 如果多敖個一年還有AGG的選項，也不會被TT要大約了
→ jinpenchi: 總之一手好牌打成這樣，今年沒奪冠 Griffin就可以滾了
→ arenasis: Griffin能在騎士內部食物鏈有一席之地,是不會輕易被
→ arenasis: 擊敗的
推 tliu223: 畢竟理論上講Love的打法更適合LBJ啊，而且要交易AGG可能
→ tliu223: 就沒有上季的總決賽之旅了（畢竟波特蘭前一年還在季后賽
→ tliu223: 不會輕易放棄當家球星的
推 JayFans0610: ...........    我們上賽季打到總決時有Love？
推 JackieShane: 現在一切來說都是事後諸葛，但Griffin的交易手腕還是
→ JackieShane: 要批的xD，堅決批評xDDDDD
推 JayFans0610: 說真的用Waiters+首輪換來射手+大鎖+門神這點
→ JayFans0610: 算是很值得稱讚的
推 tliu223: 沒有啊，但AGG那時還沒那么明顯要走人的意愿啊，要談判也
→ tliu223: 很可能要拖到季中或季末才會有成果……
→ kart: 有Wiggins就不會有JR和香波，可能Mozgov還是會盤來，服務生
→ kart: 還是會走，但是能換到什麼菜就難講，也就是說球隊的進展將要
→ kart: 取決於賭注下在淺力股AW上，如果他長不出3D那一切就是泡影
→ kart: 相對而言，找一個驗證過的全明星Love的確是比較合理的選擇
→ kart: 另外這篇本來就是馬後砲，而且估計每年相遇灰狼都還會再被拿
→ kart: 出來檢視一次，至少用馬後炮來看，這交易對騎士也不虧不就好
→ kart: 了嗎？（何況馬前砲我也認為沒問題）lol
→ a28200266: 為什麼tt+love防守會很好啊?
→ a28200266: 理論上love防守殘破(但有好轉了) 應該要一個防守中鋒
→ a28200266: 來掩護他 但TT?而且他們兩個也太矮了 為何防守數據好?
→ kart: 統計顯示就是比較好，阿災？
推 tliu223: 因為場上的情況不能簡單的用進攻中鋒、防守中鋒去概括啊
→ tliu223: 又高又靈活又下盤力量足又卡位好又有補防意識的中鋒基本
→ tliu223: 不存在的
→ kaede0711: TT+Love防守會好很好理解吧，Love移動很慢強在噸位，本
→ kaede0711: 來就適合跟靈活性的禁區搭配，而騎士側翼本身機動性夠
→ kaede0711: 強，所以禁區只要移位正確快速別太容易被KO都有機會靠
→ kaede0711: 協防補救
→ kart: 但是會認為防守不好也很好理解，別忘了去年上半年這兩人在場
→ kart: 上有多慘，慘到非換Mozgov來救，所以現在有的變化要給球員的
→ kart: 進步->按照教練要求的指示去做到好，給些掌聲
→ kaede0711: 上半年防守不好的因素蠻多的啦,包括LeBron剛回來時說的
→ kaede0711: 球隊累積太多不好習慣,還有David剛上任,還在建立體系
→ kaede0711: 而TT跟Delly經過季後賽洗禮大幅進步也是其中之一
→ kaede0711: 不過純粹用數據,就算是上季,Love+TT也是禁區最好組合
→ kaede0711: 反而最慘烈的是Love+大V
推 JackieShane: 去年交易前其實是全隊防守都慘
→ JackieShane: 就整隊都在混亂中，又連敗又有教練信任危機，a大都說
→ JackieShane: Mark Jackson已經準備要來了，然後表現就是淒慘無比
→ a28200266: 原來如此
推 jinpenchi: 馬後炮的話，當初我是希望LBJ帶3狀元+陣容原封不動
→ jinpenchi: 先把籌碼都留者，我覺得換誰也沒有可能像當時候熱火那
→ jinpenchi: 樣感覺馬上就奪冠，不如看淺力股有誰能用跟LBJ搭的留下
→ jinpenchi: 隔年的話AGG離隊，Love離隊還是會發生，這時候在大升級
→ jinpenchi: 就好，絕對不會像當初那樣2狀元+2簽換Love
→ jinpenchi: 也有可能換AGG讓馬刺不會再升一個檔次.......
→ jinpenchi: 老實講LBJ帶那堆淺力股，多少做個小交易還是東冠保證