'道成肉身'的是只有聖靈?還是只有耶穌?
oy攻擊地方召會混亂了素質和經綸,想把地方召會打為[性態論];此計不成,他又想在[道成
肉身]的題目上下套子,想把地方召會打成[聖父受苦說].然而,在同時,我已經提供詳細的
資料,證明他乃是[三神論異端],並讓他對自己的立場,以及我提供的資料提出解釋.很可惜
的,也是意料之中,他不但無法維護自己的立場,反而繼續攻擊地方召會.
因此,我在此再度使用[基督教正統的神學資料],挑戰oy,希望他講清楚,他接受的是[1/3的
神]呢?還是[完整的神]?(地方召會認為地方召會接受的是[完整的神]!)
以下是特土良的<護教篇>:
Tertullian (again): “Thus Christ is Spirit of Spirit, and God of God, as
light of light is kindled. . . . That which has come forth out of God is at
once God and the Son of God, and the two are one. In this way also, as He is
Spirit of Spirit and God of God, He is made a second in manner of existence—
in position, not in nature; and He did not withdraw from the original source,
but went forth. This ray of God, then, as it was always foretold in ancient
times, descending into a certain virgin, and made flesh in her womb, is in
His birth God and man united.”
Tertullian, Apology, 21. ANF, III:34–35.
他說:"Thus Christ is Spirit of Spirit, and God of God/基督是聖靈的聖靈,神的神(
直譯)."
以下是安波羅修的話:
ON THE MYSTERIES
AMBROS OF MILAN
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3405.htm
58. Wherefore, too, the Church, beholding so great grace, exhorts her sons
and her friends to come together to the sacraments, saying: Eat, my friends,
and drink and be inebriated, my brother. Song of Songs 5:1 What we eat and
what we drink the Holy Spirit has elsewhere made plain by the prophet,
saying, Taste and see that the Lord is good, blessed is the man that hopes in
Him. In that sacrament is Christ, because it is the Body of Christ, it is
therefore not bodily food but spiritual. Whence the Apostle says of its type:
Our fathers ate spiritual food and drank spiritual drink, 1 Corinthians 10:3
for the Body of God is a spiritual body; the Body of Christ is the Body of
the Divine Spirit, for the Spirit is Christ, as we read: The Spirit before
our face is Christ the Lord. Lamentations 4:20 And in the Epistle of Peter we
read: Christ died for us. 1 Peter 2:21 Lastly, that food strengthens our
heart, and that drink makes glad the heart of man, as the prophet has
recorded.
安波羅修講得很清楚:"the Body of Christ is the Body of the Divine Spirit, for
the Spirit is Christ, as we read: The Spirit before our face is Christ the
Lord. /基督的身體就是聖靈的身體,因為就像我們讀到的,聖靈就是基督;在我們面前的聖
靈就是主基督."
加爾文的林後第三章註釋是這樣說的:
Where the Spirit of the Lord. He now describes the manner, in which Christ
gives life to the law -- by giving us his Spirit. The term Spirit here has a
different signification from what it had in the preceding verse. There, it
denoted the soul, and was ascribed metaphorically to Christ. Here, on the
other hand, it means the Holy Spirit, that Christ himself confers upon his
people. Christ, however, by regenerating us, gives life to the law, and shows
himself to be the fountain of life, as all vital functions proceed from man's
soul. Christ, then, is to all (so to speak) the universal soul, not in
respect of essence, but in respect of grace. Or, if you prefer it, Christ is
the Spirit, because he quickens us by the life-giving influence of his
Spirit. [416]
John Calvin's Commentaries
http://biblehub.com/commentaries/calvin/2_corinthians/3.htm
加爾文說:" Or, if you prefer it, Christ is the Spirit, because he quickens us
by the life-giving influence of his Spirit./喔!如果你願意,基督就是聖靈,因為他
用他聖靈賜生命的能力點活我們".加爾文在<論持續性的啟示>說到:
John Calvin On Continuing Revelation
If Christ is the Spirit and the Lord, and His Word is Spirit and Life,
imagining that we have another "person" inside of us to guide us above and
beyond the Scripture is to deny Christ. Only by accepting the Word of Christ
(Colossians 3:16) do we have the Spririt (Ephesians 5:19) with which to sing
and speak one to another. One who insists that they have some message beyond
that revealed by Christ and the Apostles and protected by the Spirit God we
are in the midst of one who wants to steak the disciples of Christ to become
disciples of the new but false "prophet."
http://www.piney.com/CalvinSpWord.html
加爾文告訴我們:"If Christ is the Spirit and the Lord, and His Word is Spirit
and Life,...beyond the Scripture is to deny Christ./若基督是聖靈和主,他的道是
聖靈和生命....翻越過聖經的就是否認基督."
伯克富就不用介紹了.他說:
…The word "Lord" in verses 17 and 18 always means Christ. He himself is the
Spirit; as the close of verse 18 repeats: "this comes from the Lord who is
the Spirit." Other features of this conception in Paul are found in 1
Corinthians 6:17: "he who is united to the Lord becomes one Spirit with him,"
and in Romans 8:9-11, where the divine principle which dwells in the faithful
alternately is called the Spirit, the Spirit of God, the Spirit of Christ,
and Christ.
Hendrikus Berkhof, The Doctrine of the Holy Spirit (Richmond, VA: John Knox
Press, 1964), pp. 24-25; see also pp. 18, 25-27
請注意這句話: where the divine principle which dwells in the faithful
alternately is called the Spirit, the Spirit of God, the Spirit of Christ,
and Christ. /住在忠信者裡面的原則也可以被稱作聖靈,神的靈,基督的靈,和基督.
其他釋經大師的資料就先省略了.
若是,[道成肉身]的時候,聖靈不可能也在道裡面成為肉身,那麼,很明顯的,基督就不是聖
靈,聖靈也不是基督.故此,oy的論點根本就是不折不扣的[三神論異端].
難道'道成肉身'不也被稱作'聖靈成孕'嗎?難道,主不是多次在福音書裡面告訴我們,'我在
父裡面,父在我裡面'?還是,對於oy而言,我們只能稱之為'道成肉身',而不能稱之為'聖靈
成孕 '?
希望oy在毀謗地方召會的的同時,能夠為自己的說法提出說明和證據.
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M長老,您是oy的分身嗎?
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