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本文一如既往的謝絕三尺的參與
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對於摩門教一神論的質疑
在批判他人面前，首先必須：1）先搞清楚自己講的是什麼；2）再搞清楚別人說的是什麼
；3）最後，做出比較/肯定/批判，讓大家看到兩者間的不同。這是批判他人觀點的基本
方法和態度，相信M長老肯定是認同，並且也是身體力行的。
但是，當自己認為自己已經做到了這三點，但是對方還是認為：你沒有回答到重點，的時
候，就有幾個可能性：1）自己搞不清楚自己在講什麼，所以講的不清不楚；2）別人閱讀
能力有問題，讀不懂你講的是什麼意思。（當然，由於M長老和在下都是正人君子，所以
在此排除M和在下故意裝呆騙人的可能性。）如果出現上述兩種情況，講述者必須思考自
己論述的方法和內容：1）是否提供足夠/正確的信息幫助讀者理解自己要表達的意思；2
）自己的表述方式是否讓人家看不懂？如果同樣的情況不斷的出現——如N個人都跟批判
者說：『老大！看不懂你在講什麼！/你根本什麼都沒講！』，那麼這肯定是批判者自己
本身的問題，不能把責任推卸個讀者，再很阿Q的宣告自己勝利，別人都是白痴。相信M長
老也會認可這種方法/態度的。
在這個基礎上，在下在此：1）為了充分了解摩門教對於基督教方面教義具有充分的理解
；2）為了解摩門教的具體教義；3）為了體現M長老對於基督教和摩門教的神學都有深入
的研究和了解後，才批判基督教的錯誤，特別提出以下的問題，請M長老：1）不要轉貼不
是自己寫的文章，2）要用自己的話回答以下的問題：
1- 『位』這個詞源自於希臘文聖經，是個希臘文的詞彙。請問M長老：這個詞的希臘文原
文是什麼意思？神學的意思為何？英文相應的翻譯為何？摩門教方面對這個字的定義為何
？
2- 『體』這個詞源自於希臘文聖經，是個希臘文的詞彙。請問M長老：這個詞的希臘文原
文是什麼意思？神學的意思為何？英文相應的翻譯為何？摩門教方面對這個字的定義為何
？
3- 請問基督教的『三位一體』具體的內容是什麼？
4- 請問摩門教的『三位三體』具體的內容是什麼？
5- 請問，當摩門教認為『三位』具有『三體』的時候，是否認為這『三體』是不同的？
疑惑是相同的？如果相同，如何相同法？如果不同，如何不同法？
6- 請問，摩門教是否相信『一位真神』？還是『三位不同的神』？
7- 請問，摩門教所謂『神組』的英文相對翻譯為何？而相應的希臘文和希伯來文為何？
8- 我引用的一段材料說到：
Many such declarations then appear throughout the Book of Mormon. In Nephi's
foundational sermon on the "doctrine of Christ," the sermon in which Nephi
recorded the distinct utterances of the Father and the Son regarding Christ's
baptism, he concluded with this declaration about the necessity of remaining
"steadfast in Christ":
"And now, behold, my beloved brethren, this is the way; and there is none
other way nor name given under heaven whereby man can be saved in the kingdom
of God. And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and
true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is
one God, without end. Amen."
摩門經中的Nephi對於基督論有一段話，就是正上方這段。能否麻煩您把這段翻譯給大家
看看，特別要請您解釋：『the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the
Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end.』是什麼意思。
9- 提出一個【您逃避的】 舊問題：
作者mediashow008 (大衛)
看板Christianity
標題Re: [問題] 摩門教與神化
時間Thu Aug 4 13:34:45 2016
：https://www.lds.org/topics/becoming-like-god?lang=eng
: Becoming Like God
: =====================
: One of the most common images in Western and Eastern religions alike is of
: God as a parent and of human beings as God’s children. Billions pray to God
: as their parent, invoke the brotherhood and sisterhood of all people to
: promote peace, and reach out to the weary and troubled out of deep
conviction
: that each of God’s children has great worth.
: But people of different faiths understand the parent-child relationship
: between God and humans in significantly different ways. Some understand the
: phrase “child of God” as an honorary title reserved only for those who
: believe in God and accept His guidance as they might accept a father’s.
Many
: see parent-child descriptions of God’s relationship to humanity as
metaphors
: to express His love for His creations and their dependence on His sustenance
: and protection.
: Latter-day Saints see all people as children of God in a full and complete
: sense; they consider every person divine in origin, nature, and potential.
: Each has an eternal core and is “a beloved spirit son or daughter of
: heavenly parents.”1 Each possesses seeds of divinity and must choose
whether
: to live in harmony or tension with that divinity. Through the Atonement of
: Jesus Christ, all people may “progress toward perfection and ultimately
: realize their divine destiny.”2 Just as a child can develop the attributes
: of his or her parents over time, the divine nature that humans inherit can
be
: developed to become like their Heavenly Father's.
: The desire to nurture the divinity in His children is one of God’s
: attributes that most inspires, motivates, and humbles members of the Church.
: God’s loving parentage and guidance can help each willing, obedient child
of
: God receive of His fulness and of His glory. This knowledge transforms the
: way Latter-day Saints see their fellow human beings. The teaching that men
: and women have the potential to be exalted to a state of godliness clearly
: expands beyond what is understood by most contemporary Christian churches
and
: expresses for the Latter-day Saints a yearning rooted in the Bible to live
as
: God lives, to love as He loves, and to prepare for all that our loving
Father
: in Heaven wishes for His children.
摩門教的官方網站有一篇文章：
https://www.lds.org/topics/becoming-like-god?lang=eng
Latter-day Saint beliefs would have sounded more familiar to the earliest
generations of Christians than they do to many modern Christians. Many church
fathers (influential theologians and teachers in early Christianity) spoke
approvingly of the idea that humans can become divine. One modern scholar
refers to the “ubiquity of the doctrine of deification”—the teaching that
humans could become God—in the first centuries after Christ’s death.11 The
church father Irenaeus, who died about A.D. 202, asserted that Jesus Christ “
did, through His transcendent love, become what we are, that He might bring
us to be what He is Himself.”12 Clement of Alexandria (ca. A.D. 150–215)
wrote that “the Word of God became man, that thou mayest learn from man how
man may become God.”13 Basil the Great (A.D. 330–379) also celebrated this
prospect—not just “being made like to God,” but “highest of all, the
being made God.”14
這裡說到，摩門教承認【神化】教義，
In 1832, Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon experienced a vision of the
afterlife. In the vision, they learned that the just and unjust alike would
receive immortality through a universal resurrection, but only those “who
overcome by faith, and are sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise” would
receive the fulness of God’s glory and be “gods, even the sons of God.”28
Another revelation soon confirmed that “the saints shall be filled with his
glory, and receive their inheritance and be made equal with him.”29
Latter-day Saints use the term exaltation to describe the glorious reward of
receiving one’s full inheritance as a child of Heavenly Father, which is
available through the Atonement of Christ, by obedience to the laws and
ordinances of the gospel.30
這段話說，史密斯先生也得到【神化】的異象，摩門教用exaltation/高升代替之。也就
是說，摩門教事實上也教導【神化/Theosis】教義。
在此，我想請教：摩門教具體的【神化】教義內涵為何？當摩門教認為信徒能夠【像神
(like God)】的同時，什麼地方【與神一樣】？什麼地方【與神‘不’一樣】？【成為神
的人（deified)】是否也會成為【神組】的一部分？而讓【三位三體】變成【n位n體】？
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摩門教的教義，【澄清】誤解！阿門！
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