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民主就像大便一樣 有人認為蹲著大便才正確 有人認為坐著大便才正確 各有各的理由 本無可厚非﹐怕的就是有好事者一定要做出一個規范﹐定立一個普世標準﹐並且到處輸出 結果輸出來輸出去﹐弄得原本好好拉屎的人都不會拉了 有的還差點憋死﹐沒憋死也去了半條命 所以﹐很多人為了身體安全﹐制定了“拒絕輸入”自我保護條令 違令者﹐當然是判了。 下面來參觀一下某價值輸出國自己的自我保護條令XD 那可是相當得詳盡 18 USC 2385: Advocating overthrow of Government Text contains those laws in effect on July 12, 2017 §2385. Advocating overthrow of Government Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the govern- ment of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such govern- ment, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof- Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction. If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction. As used in this section, the terms "organizes" and "organize", with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons. ※ 引述《mstory (m的故事)》之銘言: : 剛看新聞 : 說劉曉波因為在中國爭取民主自由 : 所以被判顛覆國家罪 : 真是奇怪 : 中國不是民主國家嗎? : 為何在民主國家爭取民主自由會是顛覆國家的行為呢? : 民主國家會被民主自由顛覆 : 這是什麼樣的概念呢? : 誰能講一下呢??? : 完全不能懂中國人的思維邏輯 : 既自稱民主,又不準民主自由存在 : 真是奇怪 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 221.220.224.21 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/CrossStrait/M.1500006954.A.CA1.html
DarkHolbach: 好笑,劉曉波就寫了中國憲法就有的東 36.227.221.151 07/14 15:16
DarkHolbach: 西就被判十一年,果然中國憲法就是狗 36.227.221.151 07/14 15:16
DarkHolbach: 屎 36.227.221.151 07/14 15:16
Luke2000: 劉曉波是你們中國人的同胞。當中國人對 122.121.81.151 07/14 15:31
Luke2000: 自己的同胞受害一事冷漠以對時,不妨想 122.121.81.151 07/14 15:32
Luke2000: 想為什麼你們稱呼台灣人為同胞時,台灣 122.121.81.151 07/14 15:33
Luke2000: 人汗毛直豎、驚駭莫名。 122.121.81.151 07/14 15:33
Luke2000: 更別說劉曉波還是因為幫你們爭權益而被 122.121.81.151 07/14 15:35
Luke2000: 害。 122.121.81.151 07/14 15:35
icehhh: 寫什麼東西不觸犯法律就好﹐既然觸犯了中 221.220.224.21 07/14 17:02
icehhh: 國的法律﹐按中國的法律判刑有何不可﹖ 221.220.224.21 07/14 17:03
icehhh: 不要說中國的法律﹐就按上面引的標尺法律 221.220.224.21 07/14 17:04
icehhh: 其行為也是盡合的﹐不要說政治迫害﹐任何 221.220.224.21 07/14 17:05
icehhh: 國家都一樣。至於說同胞﹐個人理解不同﹐ 221.220.224.21 07/14 17:07
icehhh: 台獨人士也是同胞﹐不可以冷漠﹖ 221.220.224.21 07/14 17:09
icehhh: 不知台灣人對林毅夫這位同胞是何感想 221.220.224.21 07/14 17:11
rockocean: 先問問在古寧頭戰役中被俘共軍 送回中210.242.252.248 07/14 17:15
rockocean: 國之後的待遇如何?210.242.252.248 07/14 17:15
icehhh: 是不是接下來又要開題扯文革﹐六四﹖ 221.220.224.21 07/14 17:25
DarkHolbach: 言論自由都是中國憲法的東西喔 36.227.221.151 07/14 18:07
DarkHolbach: 喔對了,你是不是分不清rule by law 36.227.221.151 07/14 18:10
DarkHolbach: 跟rule of law啊 36.227.221.151 07/14 18:10
DarkHolbach: 還有,拜託中國人先做到美國程度再來 36.227.221.151 07/14 18:12
DarkHolbach: 跟人家比爛好嗎 36.227.221.151 07/14 18:12
icehhh: 美國也標榜言論自由啊,麻煩把上面的法條 36.102.227.36 07/14 22:10
icehhh: 作廢作廢好不好 36.102.227.36 07/14 22:12
icehhh: 還有,中國人想做什么做什么,用不著看什 36.102.227.36 07/14 22:18
icehhh: 么人臉色。 36.102.227.36 07/14 22:19
DarkHolbach: 拿美國煽動顛覆國家罪來說嘴很明顯搞 36.227.221.151 07/15 08:14
DarkHolbach: 不清楚狀況,人家只罰宣傳暴力的,像 36.227.221.151 07/15 08:14
DarkHolbach: 劉曉波這種是不會被罰的 36.227.221.151 07/15 08:14
icehhh: 麻煩把法律條文作廢,不作廢說明不了任何 36.102.227.36 07/15 14:31
icehhh: 問題,難道美國也是傳說中的人治國家? 36.102.227.36 07/15 14:32
DarkHolbach: 人家是只管暴力言論,哪像你中國管那 36.227.221.151 07/15 15:13
DarkHolbach: 麼寬,你還沒跳針完喔 36.227.221.151 07/15 15:13
DarkHolbach: 為什麼要作廢?還有並不是有管制就叫 36.227.221.151 07/15 15:15
DarkHolbach: 人治,看來你連法治是啥都不懂 36.227.221.151 07/15 15:15
DarkHolbach: 要比爛之前,可不可以先做到別人的程 36.227.221.151 07/15 15:17
DarkHolbach: 度再來比 36.227.221.151 07/15 15:17
DarkHolbach: 言論自由當然不包含暴力,不然黑道恐 36.227.221.151 07/15 15:18
DarkHolbach: 嚇也是言論自由了 36.227.221.151 07/15 15:18
icehhh: 請逐行看完上面的引文可好? 36.102.227.36 07/15 15:30
icehhh: 哪一句說只管暴力言論了?不是這樣貼金的 36.102.227.36 07/15 15:32
DarkHolbach: 實務上就是這樣啊,連3k黨煽動性言論 36.227.221.151 07/15 15:34
DarkHolbach: 都無罪了 36.227.221.151 07/15 15:34
DarkHolbach: 在美國,劉曉波絕對不會死在監獄 36.227.221.151 07/15 15:35
DarkHolbach: 美國高院限制很多的,那條法實務上適 36.227.221.151 07/15 15:41
DarkHolbach: 用範圍不寬 36.227.221.151 07/15 15:41
icehhh: 條文的存在是事實吧?那就不要五十步笑百 36.102.227.36 07/15 18:04
icehhh: 步,只要一天不廢除那違反者就是犯罪。 36.102.227.36 07/15 18:06
icehhh: 至于實務,美國有美國的實務,中國有中國 36.102.227.36 07/15 18:07
icehhh: 的實務,有法不依是美國的事,違法必究也 36.102.227.36 07/15 18:07
icehhh: 是中國的事,所以也就不要再拿什么人治法 36.102.227.36 07/15 18:08
icehhh: 制說事 36.102.227.36 07/15 18:10
DarkHolbach: 照原本的條文還是比中國好很多好嗎 36.227.221.151 07/15 19:22
DarkHolbach: 這不是五十步笑百步,這是生與死的 36.227.221.151 07/15 19:22
DarkHolbach: 差別 36.227.221.151 07/15 19:22
DarkHolbach: 而且人家的法律是尊重判例的 36.227.221.151 07/15 19:23
DarkHolbach: 有些解釋是會隨著時代改變或嚴格限制 36.227.221.151 07/15 19:25