作者Zamned (宮園かをり R.I.P.)
看板DET_Tigers
標題[情報] BP Detroit Tigers Top 10 Prospects
時間Thu Nov 19 20:26:20 2015
The State of the System: It’s amazing what trading two national treasures and
not strictly drafting from “Hard-Throwing Reliever University” will do for a
system. This is still a troubled group—particularly in terms of offensive
potential—but this is a system that’s on the right track.
The Top Ten
1. RHP Michael Fulmer
2. CF Derek Hill
3. RHP Beau Burrows
4. RHP Spencer Turnbull
5. OF Christin Stewart
6. IF JaCoby Jones
7. RHP Joe Jimenez
8. 2B Javier Betancourt
9. SS Dixon Machado
10. RHP Luis Cessa
Michael Fulmer, RHP
DOB: 03/15/1993
Height/Weight: 6’3”200 lbs.
Bats/Throws: R/R
Drafted/Acquired: Drafted 44th overall in the 2011 MLB Draft by the New York
Mets; signed for $950,000; acquired in Yoenis Cespedes trade.
Previous Ranking(s): NR
2015 Stats: 2.24 ERA, 124 IP, 104 H, 30 BB, 125 K at High-A St. Lucie, Double-A
Binghamton, and Double-A Erie.
Future Tools: 65 fastball, 60 slider, 50 change
Role: 55—Above-average starting pitcher
The last few years saw Fulmer show glimpses of what made him a top-50 draft
prospect back in 2011, and he finally put it all together in 2015. More than
one scout told me that Fulmer was not just the most improved pitcher in the
Mets system, but in all of baseball.
His fastball took a step up, going from 91-93 mph to consistently sitting in
the mid-90s, touching 97. The slider is another plus pitch, an 86-88 offering
with hard, downward tilt that he threw for strikes more consistently in 2015
than in previous seasons. He’ll also show an average curveball with some spin
and 11-5 break, and a fringe-average change that is the weak link in his
development. He’s always thrown strikes, as suggested by his 2.9 BB/9 career
mark, but his command experienced a bump up, thanks to an improved ability to
repeat his high three-quarters arm slot and delivery.
The question marks going forward for Fulmer are whether he can show the same
stuff and produce the same results at higher levels while handling a bigger
workload (he hasn’t topped the 125-inning mark). If he can, he’s a potential
no. 2 starter, with high-leverage reliever a more likely possibility if his
health and consistency issues persist. As bad as the Tigers farm still is,
Fulmer is a legit top-of-the-system option, and represents a strong return for
an impending free agent in Cespedes.
Fantasy Impact: Leading a list with a pitcher who is not a lock to be a top-100
fantasy prospect will surely cause some yawns for those of you who play in
leagues with shallower farm systems. Fulmer could be a potential SP3 without a
carrying fantasy tool, but the present risks depresses his value.
Major league ETA: 2017
Derek Hill, OF
DOB: 12/30/1995
Height/Weight: 6’2” 195 lbs.
Bats/Throws: R/R
Drafted/Acquired: Drafted 23rd overall in the 2014 MLB Draft; signed for $2
million
Previous Ranking(s): #1 (Org)
2015 Stats: .238/.305/.314; 0 HR, 25 SB at Low-A West Michigan
Future Tools: 70 speed, 70 glove, 50-plus hit
Role: 55—Above-average regular in center field
during the first two months, posting a .216/.287/.250 line. He appeared to pick
things up afterward, hitting .276/.338/.448 over the next two months until a
knee injury ended his season prematurely.
Hill’s swing is simple; he is short to the ball with very little involvement
of the lower half, but his above-average bat speed and long limbs allow him to
hit line drives to all parts of the field. He works counts into his favor,
draws his share of walks, and rarely swings at pitches outside of the zone.
While he’s added some strength, he doesn’t have the swing path nor the frame
to suggest he’ll ever hit for power, with a 40 grade representing his likely
peak.
Where Hill excels is on the bases and with the glove. He’s a plus-plus runner
who reads pitchers well, and he excels at getting good jumps in the outfield.
His throwing arm is only average, but it’s accurate and certainly good enough
to handle center field. One scout compared him defensively to Lorenzo Cain, so
he’s got that going for him, which is nice.
Hill’s ceiling is a leadoff hitter who wins Gold Gloves in center, with fourth
outfielder who can steal bases and win games with the glove a solid floor.
Fantasy Impact: This has always been a more valuable real-life profile than
fantasy one due to the defensive value, but anyone who can potentially provide
40-plus steals is plenty interesting in our realm too. He's also not a zero in
the other categories, and if he stays healthy in 2016, he could take a big step
forward.
Major league ETA: 2018
Beau Burrows, RHP
DOB: 09/18/1996
Height/Weight: 6’2”, 200 lbs.
Bats/Throws: R/R
Drafted/Acquired: Drafted 22nd overall in the 2015 draft, signed for $2.154
million
Previous Ranking(s): #36 on final draft board
2015 Stats: 1.61 ERA, 28 IP, 18 H, 11 BB, 33 K at Gulf Coast League
Future Tools: 70 fastball, 55 curve, 50 command
Role: High 50—Potential mid-rotation starter
The Tigers love hard-throwing right-handers, but unlike some of the other early
picks they’ve made, Burrows was actually solid value toward the back end of
the first round. He has impressive arm strength and one of the quicker arms
from last year’s class, sitting 92-94 with his fastball and touching 96. His
curveball lacks the consistency of the fastball but flashes above-average
potential with hard downward spin that allows it to act as a power curve. He
has good feel for his change, showing some deception from the quick arm and
late fade. He repeats his delivery well without much effort in the arm path,
and he’s generally within the margin of error when it comes to hitting his
spots.
One of the reasons some scouts were lower on Burrows was that he didn’t offer
much in terms of projection—one scout I spoke with compared Burrows to Kohl
Stewart without any of the upside—but what he lacks there he makes up for in
feel for pitching and advanced stuff. He’s the rare prep who could move
quickly through a system, and he could become a mid-rotation starter for
Detroit in the next two or three seasons.
Fantasy Impact: Well, things got boring kinda quickly, huh? Burrows doesn't
have the upside dynasty owners are looking for and carries all the risks of a
prep pitcher. He makes for an interesting flier after the first three rounds of
dynasty drafts this year, but that's all.
Major league ETA: 2018
Spencer Turnbull
DOB: 09/18/1992
Height/Weight: 6’3” 215 lbs.
Bats/Throws: R/R
Drafted/Acquired: Drafted 63rd overall in the 2014 MLB Draft; signed for
$900,000
Previous Ranking(s): #7 Org
2015 Stats: 3.01 ERA, 116.2 IP, 106 H, 52 BB, 106 K at Low-A West Michigan
Future Tools: 60 fastball, 55 slider
Role: 50—Potential mid-rotation starter/high-leverage reliever
Turnbull was the prototypical Dave Dombrowski-era Tigers prospect: a burly
right-hander with a big fastball that will touch 98 and sits comfortably 92-94
with sink and plane. While the former Alabama Friday starter wasn’t a huge
reach in the second round, it’s unlikely you see the Tigers load up on this
type of player under new General Manager Al Avila. The slider and change are
both works in progress; the former will flash above-average, while the latter
is more of a fringe-average pitch at this point. Both pitches showed
improvement this summer, as did his control (20 walks in April-May; 27 walks
the rest of the season). Still, a lack of consistency has plagued him all the
way back to his collegiate days, and there were stretches this year in which he
struggled to miss bats. The arsenal suggests mid-rotation starter, but more
than one scout believes he’ll ultimately end up a member of the bullpen.
Fantasy Impact: If you're familiar with the caricature of Detroit's drafting
then you're already familiar with Turnbull. The likelihood of a bullpen future
is high and he shouldn't be owned unless your league rosters 250-plus prospects.
Major league ETA: 2017
Christin Stewart, OF
DOB: 12/10/1993
Height/Weight: 6’0” 205 lbs.
Bats/Throws: L/R
Drafted/Acquired: Drafted 34th overall in the 2015 MLB Draft; signed for
$2.0645 million
Previous Ranking(s): #78 on final draft board
2015 Stats: .285/.372/.508; 10 HR, 5 SB at short-season Gulf Coast League,
short-season Connecticut, and Low-A West Michigan
Future Tools: 60 power, 50 hit
Role: 45—Potential bench bat/fringe-average regular
When the Tigers took Stewart in the supplemental portion of the first round,
many in the industry questioned whether the outfielder was worth a first-round
selection. Yet his professional debut was impressive and represents a step
toward vindication. At the plate, Stewart possesses plus bat speed, and he
generates good extension, allowing him to make hard contact on any part of the
plate. The reports say he was willing to go the other way—something he didn’t
always do at Tennessee. The swing doesn’t possess a ton of loft, though his
natural strength allows him to take the ball out to right field or into the
gaps the opposite way. He’s a patient hitter who saw a serious improvement in
his selectivity over his junior season at Tennessee, and he continued that
trend as a professional.
While Stewart is advanced offensively, his defense leaves a lot to be desired.
His lack of arm strength and speed limits him to a corner—almost assuredly left
—and he doesn’t take great routes, making him close to a detriment with the
glove. The bat makes him a potential everyday player, but there’s a non-zero
chance that the lack of defense makes him a DH or bench player.
Fantasy Impact: The lack of defensive value does hurt Stewart's fantasy value,
as he'll have to play somewhere, but a power bat is a power bat and Stewart is
a much better use of a dynasty draft pick than Burrows. If he can become a .260
hitter with 25-homer power, he'll get at bats.
Major league ETA: 2018
JaCoby Jones, IF
Age: 05/10/1992
Height/Weight: 6’2” 205 lbs.
Bats/Throws: R/R
Drafted/Acquired: Drafted 87th overall in the 2013 MLB Draft by the Pittsburgh
Pirates; signed for $612,000; traded to Detroit for Joakim Soria
Previous Ranking(s): Unranked
2015 Stats: .257/.322/.415; 16 HR, 25 SB at High-A Bradenton, Double-A Altoona,
and Double-A Erie
Future Tools: 60 speed, 60 arm, 50 power
Role: 45—Utility infielder/below-average starting corner outfielder
Jones still hasn’t come close to showing the upside he did as a freshman at LSU
—he was Skye Bolt before Skye Bolt was Skye Bolt—but that doesn’t mean he can
’t become a serviceable big-leaguer. The swing shows off his athleticism, with
strong wrists and above-average bat speed that help create above-average raw
power. That power—as well as the hit tool—play down in-game however, as Jones
is too aggressive at the plate; add the lack of selectivity and length to his
swing, and you get a below-average (at best) hit tool. That’s a shame because
he’s a weapon when he does reach base. He combines good speed with good jumps
and has 30-steal potential.
He’s also a work in progress defensively. He showed good range and a strong
arm at third base during the Arizona Fall League, but he doesn’t have great
hands and too often tries to “ole” the ball. That makes him likely to play in
the outfield, with right field a strong possibility because of said speed and
arm. Even with his recent 50-game suspension for violating the drug policy,
Jones still belongs in the Top 10 as one of the few potential everyday players
in the Detroit system.
owners shouldn't mind that so much. It might come with a .240-.250 average (and
similarly bad OBP), but it's certainly possible for a 15-homer, 25-steal future
out of Jones.
Major league ETA: 2016
Joe Jimenez, RHP
DOB: 01/17/1995
Height/Weight: 6’3” 220 lbs.
Bats/Throws: R/R
Drafted/Acquired: Signed June 24, 2013 out of Puerto Rico as undrafted free
agent for $100,000
Previous Ranking(s): #9 (Org)
2015 Stats: 1.47 ERA, 43 IP, 23 H, 11 BB, 61 K at Low-A West Michigan
Future Tools: 80 fastball, 60 slider
Role: 45—Future set-up man
There aren’t many pure bullpen arms who have the type of stuff Jimenez does.
The right-hander sits in the mid-90s, consistently touching higher, with the
occasional report of triple-digits. He complements that pitch with a slider
that is a swing-and-miss pitch in the high 80s, which is enough velocity
difference to make hitters who sit on the fastball look foolish. Unlike most
fastball-slider relievers, who struggle with the opposite-hand hitters,
Jimenez's pitches are so good that he's effective against southpaws and just
about impossible for righties (.390 OPS). He pounds the strike zones with both
pitches, and though the command is a ways behind the control, it projects well
enough that Jimenez should be a high-leverage reliever sometime in the near
future, with one scout comparing him to a “poor man’s Armando Benitez.”
Excited yet?
Fantasy Impact: Another yearly reminder: Don't invest in relievers in dynasty
leagues. This has nothing to do with Jimenez, who could be great, but about the
fact that there are a lot of relievers who end up being great and don't require
a roster spot right now.
Major league ETA: 2017
Javier Betancourt, 2B
DOB: 05/08/1995
Height/Weight: 6’0” 180 lbs.
Bats/Throws: R/R
Drafted/Acquired: Signed August 18, 2011 out of Venezuela for $200,000
Previous Ranking(s): Unranked
2015 Stats: .263/.304/.336; 3 HR, 4 SB at High-A Lakeland
Future Tools: 60 field, 50 hit, 50 arm
Role: 45—Utility infielder/fringe-average starter at second base
Betancourt is the antithesis of the Dombrowski prospect; an infielder without a
high ceiling but with a fairly high floor. He has excellent hand-eye
coordination and a short, compact swing, and there’s very little here in terms
of contact issues. Unfortunately, his lack of strength and bat speed mean he
doesn’t make much loud contact, as the power is well below average. He also won
’t draw many walks (77 in just under 1,500 plate appearances to date) so this
is a player who needs to provide value with the glove.
Fortunately, he does just that. He has plus range and he uses his footwork to
make the most of his average throwing arm. He’ll never hit anywhere but the
bottom of the order, but Betancourt has a chance to start at the keystone one
day, and the defense is good enough to make him better than replacement.
Fantasy Impact: Nope. Am I allowed to just say "Nope" here? Oh well, was worth
a shot. Betancourt is unlikely to ever be more than a $5 mono league player,
since he's likely to be below-average in every fantasy category.
Major league ETA: 2017
Dixon Machado, SS
DOB: 02/22/1992
Height/Weight: 6’1” 170 lbs.
Bats/Throws: R/R
Drafted/Acquired: Signed July 2, 2009 out of Venezuela
Previous Ranking(s): #10 (Org.)
2015 Stats: .261/.313/.332; 4 HR, 15 SB at Triple-A Toledo; .235/.307/.279, 0
HR, 1 SB at Detroit
Key Tools: 60 glove, 60 arm, 55 speed
Role: 45—Backup middle infielder/well below-average starting shortstop
If Machado is going to become an everyday player, it’s going to be the glove
that carries him there. He gets rave reviews from scouts on his feel for
defense, and his above-average speed and plus arm make him as likely as any to
stay to the right of second base. That’s important, because Machado offers
close to zero offensive upside. He struggles with anything that isn’t
straight, and even on the fastball his lack of bat speed and strength leads to
a lot of weak contact, with more swing-and-miss then one would like from this
type of offensive profile. The defensive prowess gives him a chance to
contribute, but expecting any type of offensive production is expecting too
much.
Fantasy Impact: See Betancourt's writeup above, but give him the potential for
20-25 steals one day.
Major league ETA: 2016
Luis Cessa, RHP
DOB: 04/25/1992
Height/Weight: 6’3” 190 lbs.
Bats/Throws: R/R
Drafted/Acquired: Signed July 9, 2008 out of Mexico by the New York Mets;
acquired in the Yoenis Cespedes trade.
Previous Ranking(s): Unranked
2015 Stats: 4.52 ERA, 139.1 IP, 163 H, 36 BB, 119 K at Double-A Binghamton,
Triple-A Las Vegas, and Triple-A Toledo
Future Tools: 60 fastball, 50 change
Role: 40—Back-end starter/middle-innings reliever
The “other” arm acquired in the Cespedes deal, Cessa doesn’t offer the same
kind of upside as Fulmer but does have a chance to pitch in a big-league
rotation. The fastball is plus, generally sitting 92-94 with some downhill
plane and sink, and could play up in shorter spurts because of his arm
strength. The change is his best secondary pitch because of his arm speed and
it features some late fade. His fringe-average slider will sometimes flatten,
but it’s a pitch he throws for strikes with tilt when he finishes the
delivery. It’s very much a back-end profile—and Detroit may be tempted to see
if the stuff plays up in a bullpen role—but his ability to throw strikes does
give him a chance to pitch every fifth day.
Fantasy Impact: Even in AL-only formats, Cessa's profile is a terrible one to
invest in. He'll get hit and he won't miss many bats. Worst of all, he'll
likely get innings at the back of a rotation and your ratios don't need that
stress.
Major league ETA: 2016
Five who are just interesting:
Steven Moya, OF/1B – There was more than one person I spoke to when compiling
this list who believed Moya belonged in the top five. I get it: He’s a great
athlete with above-average speed and plus power. For me, though—and the
prospect team agrees—there are just too many holes in his game. There’s no
chance he’ll hit for average, there are real questions about whether he can
stay in the outfield, and you’re going to have to sit him against southpaws.
Could he become a DH who hits 20 homers? Sure, but that’s the ceiling, and the
floor is guy who spends most of his career in Triple-A.
Kevin Ziomek, LHP - The good news is Ziomek nearly cut his walk rate in half in
2015 (3.9 BB/9 in 2014, 2.1 in 2015), and he shows two 55 pitches in his
fastball and change. The bad news is the slider and curve remain below-average
pitches, and the command is a ways behind, with more than one scout describing
Ziomek as “wild in the strike zone.” Add in the ugly arm action, and it’s
difficult to imagine Ziomek making his living in a starting rotation (though
the change does give him a chance to get both left- and right-handed hitters
out).
Michael Gerber, OF – Gerber was one of the real standouts of my AFL coverage
this year— a player who I wasn’t terribly familiar with who nonetheless made
a real impression on me, and several scouts I spoke with as well. The
left-handed hitting outfielder showed impressive control of the strike zone,
and while he doesn’t possess a ton of bat speed and the swing is fairly
linear, he squares up the ball and transfers his weight well. He also held his
own in the outfield, and showed a solid, accurate arm. There are no
above-average tools here, but you could argue that there are four 50s, and that
’s good enough to make him a candidate to rise up this list in 2016.
Josh Turley, LHP – Being a southpaw, I’m naturally attracted to left-handed
pitchers. I’m even fonder of left-handers who have five different pitches at
their disposal, but when one of those pitches is a knuckleball? Consider me
smitten. None of these pitches is even above-average, but he repeats his
delivery well, is usually around the strike zone, and if the knuckleball makes
another jump forward, so can Turley.
Jairo Labourt, LHP – The Tigers acquired Labourt in the deal that saw David
Price head to Toronto, and in terms of pure stuff, only Fulmer matches him—one
front-office member likened him to Francisco Liriano. The fastball touches 96
with plenty of sink, the slider will flash plus with hard downward tilt, and he
’ll mix in the occasional average change to keep the hitters honest. So why is
Labourt not in the top 10? Because he too often has no clue where any of those
pitches are going—oh, and the word flash is key, as the change and slider are
consistently closer to 40-grade pitches than their best selves. At just 21,
there’s time to make the necessary mechanical adjustment—keeping his shoulder
in, working on a consistent landing spot, etc.—but as is, he’s not someone
with good enough command to pitch in high-leverage situations, much less start.
Top 10 Talents 25 And Under (born 4/1/90 or later)
Daniel Norris
Nick Castellanos
Michael Fulmer
James McCann
Derek Hill
Beau Burrows
Spencer Turnbull
Christin Stewart
Anthony Gose
JaCoby Jones
For a team many in the media seem to think is headed for a Phillies-esque fall
from grace, the Tigers have an intriguing mix of young talent on the roster,
and that doesn’t include shortstop Jose Iglesias, right-hander Shane Greene,
and outfielder J.D. Martinez, none of whom qualifies for this list.
Young left-hander Daniel Norris flashes the raw stuff to slot in as a no. 2
starter, but his command and consistency hold him back to more of a
mid-rotation profile. Regardless, his power arsenal positions him to play a
dynamic role in the Tigers rotation going forward, checking in behind
right-handers Justin Verlander and Anibal Sanchez, giving the Tigers a trio of
starters capable of carrying the load most days.
It is all too easy to begin overlooking third baseman Nick Castellanos because
of below-average defense and a bat that has not developed as quickly as many
expected. It is much harder to stand by the player and believe the bat can
still play to an above-average level at the hot corner, making him a quality
big-leaguer. Difficult as that may be given his production thus far, that's how
I see it. Castellanos is a gifted natural hitter with a knack for hard contact
and raw power to all fields. Even with the hiccups throughout his development
at the major-league level, Castellanos remains one of the most talented young
players in the organization and slots just half a tick behind Norris at the top
of this list.
Catcher James McCann arrived in the big leagues in 2015 following a steady
climb through the minor leagues, and while he will ultimately be exposed
against right-handed pitching, he has the offensive and defensive skills to be
a solid everyday backstop. With McCann solidifying things behind the dish as
Alex Avila’s tenure in Detroit comes to an end, he combines with players like
Iglesias and Anthony Gose to provide the Tigers with a defensive backbone that
supports a pitching staff that lacks the previous dominance experienced in the
Motor City.
Gose rates just ahead of newly acquired shortstop JaCoby Jones, who came over
in the deadline trade that sent Joakim Soria to Pittsburgh, largely because he
offers the potential for high-level defense at a premium position. Jones,
though he may offer more offensive upside, has little to no chance of sticking
at shortstop, giving Gose the edge on this list.
As has become routine with Tigers lists like this, the talent pool thins out
considerably the further you move from the top. But the Tigers still have some
big-league contributors in the 25-and-under category who are not included on
this list. Outfielder Tyler Collins, left-handers Matt Boyd and Ian Krol, and
right-handers Buck Farmer and Bruce Rondon all have considerable warts, and
none of them projects as more than a role player, but for a Tigers system that
has lacked any meaningful amount of major-league talent in recent years this
type of “depth” represents a welcome change.
While I disagree with the contention that the Tigers are on the precipice of a
cliff that will leave them out of contention for years to come, I will
acknowledge that they are in a precarious spot heading into 2016. With a hefty
payroll burdened by veteran players who command exorbitant salaries, and an
aging owner who pushed buttons to make other signings happen, the Tigers must
rely on talent like Castellanos, Norris, McCann, and Gose to fill out the
roster and allow the big-name players to lead the way. —Mark Anderson
The Executives
Executive Vice President/General Manager: Al Avila
Director of Player Development: Dave Owen
Director of Amateur Scouting: Scott Pleis
Avila has strong international roots—he was one of the key figures in bringing
Livan Hernandez and Miguel Cabrera into the Marlins organization—so it shouldn
’t come as a huge surprise to anyone if they make more of an effort on bigger
names overseas than they did under Dombrowski. His eye for talent is well
regarded throughout the league, and as good of a GM as Dombrowski was, the farm
system might be better off with someone like Avila in charge.
Pleis has been with the Tigers since 2010, and though there’s certainly been a
dearth of high picks because of free-agent signings, the picks they have had in
that timeframe haven’t been terribly inspiring—there just aren't many
diamonds in the rough in their hauls. Four of our top 10 come from the last two
drafts, however, and at least in terms of process, the last few drafts have
been much better.
The Tigers made several changes to their minor-league coaching staff, but one
of the biggest surprises was the decision to not renew the contract of Mike
Henneman. Henneman was considered by many I spoke with to be a rising star in
the pitching coach ranks, and just last year was heavily recruited to come back
to the Tigers after originally deciding to leave. He was widely credited with
the improved command of Ziomek, Austin Kubitza, and Jonathon Crawford, so the
decision to not renew his contract is a surprising one.
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推 XtinaGrimmie: 推,拜託不要惡搞Fulmer啊XD 11/20 14:15
推 ust: 推 (慢慢看) 11/20 20:26
推 dibbo: Moya掉出前十喔? 11/20 23:26
推 whalelover: Add Michael Fulmer,Jairo Labourt and Montreal 11/20 23:49
→ whalelover: Robertson to 40-man roster. 11/20 23:50
推 XtinaGrimmie: Labourt?我以為他離大聯盟還有一段日子欸 11/21 00:29
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推 whalelover: Yes,for rule 5 draft. 11/21 02:23
推 yyjack: Labourt這個stuff, 投到A+ 又投了future game 11/21 06:06
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推 dibbo: Krol這兩年投成這樣還有交易價值也真是意外 11/21 12:39
推 carrhung: 本來昨天看到白襪在聽Garcia的報價 還有點希望把他簽回 11/21 16:41
→ carrhung: 來 結果今天一起床就看到這個驚喜XD 爽啊~ 11/21 16:41
推 whalelover: 不過Maybin打左投打得比較爛 所以不適合拿來跟Gose或 11/21 16:47
→ whalelover: 是Collins platoon 11/21 16:47
推 carrhung: 所以有人在猜還會簽回Davis, 就繼續看下去XD 11/21 16:54
推 yyjack: 我比較期待簽金賢珠XD 再來個吳昇桓+陳偉殷 11/21 19:14
→ yyjack: Alvila接任後最大的改變除了引進數據分析 加強國際市場 11/21 19:15
→ yyjack: 投資也是被預期的一塊 11/21 19:15
→ yyjack: 今天rule 5 draft deadline 很多有趣的球員被DFA 11/21 19:16
→ yyjack: Fernando Abad, Rex Brothers, Tommy Kahnle, A.Webster 11/21 19:18
→ yyjack: 都值得追看看 11/21 19:19
推 XtinaGrimmie: Abad感覺可以試看看 11/21 19:31
推 carrhung: 我比較有興趣Rosario 11/21 20:06
推 ust: 吳昇桓加陳偉殷有點夢幻XDDD 11/21 21:37
推 Mitch: 先發投手不知有沒有追陳 11/21 21:59
推 whalelover: Brothers可以撿來修修看 11/21 22:49
推 pipi0627: 覺得國民的Storen也不錯 11/23 22:27
推 carrhung: 除非國民對JaCobyJones或DixonMachado有興趣, 不然Store 11/23 22:53
→ carrhung: n我們應該出不起 11/23 22:53
推 XtinaGrimmie: JD跑到波多黎各玩了XD 11/24 01:32
推 yyjack: Lloyd McClendon回來當我們3A總教練 好奢侈XD 11/24 08:37
→ yyjack: 不過另一方面我覺得是告訴Ausmus 再做不好 自家農場 11/24 08:38
→ yyjack: 就有人隨時可以取代你! 11/24 08:38
推 carrhung: 滿開心看到他回來的,看看能不能救一下Moya的打擊… 11/24 09:57
推 whalelover: Avila 2.5M/1y去白襪 11/26 00:19
推 Scherzer31: 祝福Avila 另外McCann今年真的很不錯 11/26 01:12
推 carrhung: 謝謝Avila~~~ 11/26 06:28
推 carrhung: 雖然覺得不捨, 不過從2011打擊大爆發後, 打擊成績逐年下 11/26 08:52
→ carrhung: 降, 雖然還是維持不錯的上壘率, 但是avg年年掉…加上近 11/26 08:52
→ carrhung: 兩年傷痛不斷, 或許今年說再見是不錯的時機 11/26 08:52
推 whalelover: In "serious" talk with J-Zimm. 這隻應該頗貴 11/29 15:21
推 XtinaGrimmie: 據說6年126M.... 11/29 15:50
→ carrhung: 與其追Zimmerman, 覺得追陳偉殷好像還比較好…? 11/29 17:18
推 Mitch: 報導說有錢追人,那就 Zim + Chen 好了 11/29 17:27
推 XtinaGrimmie: JZ+陳的話那明年我們的先發滿有看頭的XD 11/29 21:21
推 carrhung: 剛剛才發現原來JZ還沒過30...XD 11/29 23:46
→ carrhung: 目前好像還持續在談...看來簽的機會頗高... 11/29 23:47
推 carrhung: 不過要損失一個第二輪籤 這樣划算嗎~"~? 11/29 23:53
推 whalelover: 我覺得不會JZimm+Chen 這樣要丟兩輪有點傷 11/30 00:54
→ whalelover: 考慮一下不用丟選秀籤的Fister or Kazmir? 11/30 00:55
推 XtinaGrimmie: JZ簽的滿便宜的 11/30 02:16
推 yyjack: 約比想像便宜 當初戰績打爛就是為了一輪保護阿 11/30 03:16
→ yyjack: 如果老闆沒錢到沒法簽拒絕QO的大咖 我會很失望 11/30 03:16
→ yyjack: 以前會簽個second tier SP like Chen, 鯊魚. 11/30 03:17
推 yyjack: 沒想到可以衝JZ. 看還剩多少預算找1SP & many RP囉 11/30 03:20
推 carrhung: 目前比較好奇Avila還會再補幾個牛? 我想最少還要一右一 11/30 06:35
→ carrhung: 左, 以及一個3~4號的SP, 如果只補這樣錢應該夠XD 11/30 06:35
推 carrhung: 下一個會不會簽回Fister? 讓我們看下去XD 11/30 06:39
推 onime0704: 只怕JZ掉球速後會變成像CC或Verlander一樣-_- 11/30 12:20
推 Scherzer31: 希望拳兒回來 但又希望陳來能天天看老虎XD 11/30 13:19
推 carrhung: JZ應該還沒有肩膀疑慮 只是去年成績掉了的原因真的讓人 11/30 14:30
→ carrhung: 畫一個問號, 但還是看好明年可以恢復水準 11/30 14:30
推 misery410267: 也希望拳兒回歸! 11/30 17:37
→ Werth: 猜測JZ明年成績大概會比今年稍微好~持平之間 11/30 20:39
→ Werth: 但要比過去四年好 沒有那麼樂觀 11/30 20:39
推 carrhung: 只要保持水準 這張約就覺得非常值得啦! 11/30 21:24
→ carrhung: 我指的水準是往年 不是去年XD 11/30 21:24
推 yyjack: 同意 只要保持去年水準 這簽約這值了 12/01 02:49
推 onime0704: JZ要維持今年水準就看他的曲球了,看一下今年跟往年的數 12/01 20:02
→ onime0704: 據,他今年曲球依賴性變很高,也佔了不少三振,而且今年曲 12/01 20:02
→ onime0704: 球的握法應該有變,球速跟位移都跟往年有點差異 12/01 20:03