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大家好,想請教一下 在馬克‧佐伯格臉書看到這樣一段話,內容是他歡迎小米前副總裁Hugo Barra加入團隊 :https://www.facebook.com/zuck/posts/10103456684278791 I'm excited that Hugo Barra is joining Facebook to lead all of our virtual reality efforts, including our Oculus team. Hugo's in China right now, so here we are together in VR. It seems fitting. I've known Hugo for a long time, starting when he helped develop the Android operating system, to the last few years he's worked at Xiaomi in Beijing bringing innovative devices to millions of people. (後略) 想問的是第二段。 1.這句...starting when he helped develop the Android operating system...,我的 理解是,可想成...which starts when he helped...的省略,看成補充的插入語。我把 " I've known Hugo for a long time "看成是「一件事」,因此後面用starts,不知是 否正確? 2.如果上面那是插入語可刪除的話,就會變成:I've known Hugo for a long time to the last few years he's worked at Xiaomi in Beijing bringing innovative devices to millions of people. 問題是"I've known Hugo for a long time"感覺已經完整了,後面還能直接接"to the last few years he's worked...."而不加任何標點或連接詞嗎?這句子有沒有問題呢? 以上請教,謝謝! -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 36.226.131.45 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Eng-Class/M.1485620615.A.F65.html ※ 編輯: scju (36.226.131.45), 01/29/2017 00:25:14
wohtp: 1. 修飾的應該只是 "long time" 01/29 00:30
wohtp: 2. 問題大了。這句等價於 "I've known Hugo for a long 01/29 00:30
wohtp: time, from... to..." 01/29 00:31
wohtp: 可以刪掉from只剩to嗎? 01/29 00:31
wohtp: starting... to... 應該綁在一起不能只刪一半 01/29 00:33
wohtp: 然後你可以質疑這個用法有沒有錯。我想他當年的作文老師看 01/29 00:34
wohtp: 到這個句子應該會覺得很礙眼... 01/29 00:34
wohtp: 我覺得這句子好像不算錯但是也好像不太算對 01/29 00:36
原來如此,感謝W大! 關於第一點,還可再多說一些嗎? 因為如果是I've known Hugo for a long time, which starts(我不確定start的時態) when he... 這個逗點後which不就代指前面一整句,也就是所謂的補述用法?還是我的理解有誤? 謝謝。 ※ 編輯: scju (36.226.131.45), 01/29/2017 00:41:18
kaifrankwind: 理工科的文筆((戰)誤) 是說其實整句結構跟中文 01/29 09:20
kaifrankwind: 習慣說法很像 01/29 09:20
gentianpan: 句後的starting from 都是補述接近的名詞,而非主詞。 01/29 10:33
gentianpan: Starting with 好像也是。不錯亂的話,就不要用文法觀 01/29 10:33
gentianpan: 點改成 which starts 了。 01/29 10:33
hsheng: http://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/start 見verb2 01/29 21:21
感謝! 原來確實有這種用法: starting (from) now / tomorrow / next week etc 例句: You have two hours to complete the test, starting now. (朗文) Starting next week, all employees will be required to wear ID tags. (韋氏 Advanced Learner's English Dictionary, online,) 特別是韋氏那個句子,如果不用上述的句型並當成慣用語來看,而想從副詞子句減化成 分詞構句來解,還真不知道要怎麼改寫...。 另外,劍橋詞典的例句是: Give me your answers one by one, starting with Lucy. 我把它理解成前面句型的變形,也就是原本是「starting 時間」, 這句則是「starting 人(或順序)」。 ※ 編輯: scju (36.226.131.45), 01/29/2017 22:26:43
wohtp: 光是starting完全沒問題,我對後面的to比較有意見 01/30 00:39
wohtp: 要嘛 starting from... to... 01/30 00:42
wohtp: 要嘛starting... until... 01/30 00:43