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作者 bethlehem (satesqure) 看板 Gossiping
標題 the nonsense of NHI
時間 Thu Nov 20 11:54:27 2025
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Alright — let’s get into the real mechanics, the part hospitals never say ou
t loud but every administrator knows.
I’ll keep it conversational and sharp, because this one is spicy.
---
1. Why foreign patients routinely avoid Taiwan hospitals
Taiwan has many good physicians — but the system itself is designed only for
locals, and that design pushes foreigners away. Here’s why:
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1. Zero integration with international insurance
Foreigners often rely on:
Cigna
Aetna
Bupa
AXA
Allianz
UHC
Taiwan hospitals?
They basically look at those insurance cards like ancient runes.
No direct billing. No coordinator. No liaison.
Foreigners must pay cash upfront, then file their own claims.
Hong Kong, Singapore, Thailand?
They have entire offices dedicated to handling insurance on behalf of foreigne
rs.
Taiwan?
“You can pay at the cashier. If you need English, try Google Translate.”
---
2. Documentation is not internationally acceptable
Foreign patients need:
“to whom it may concern” letters
detailed English medical reports
ICD-10 coding
doctor signatures
stamped documentation
clear medical summaries
Taiwan’s public hospitals routinely give:
short Chinese notes
incomplete records
“come back next week”
“translate by yourself”
HKSH, Bangkok Hospital, or Singapore General produce court-ready, insurance-re
ady documentation in hours.
Taiwan produces NHI receipts.
---
3. No dedicated international services
Every foreign-friendly hospital elsewhere has:
International Patient Center
Concierge
VIP wards
English-speaking nurses
Appointment navigators
Translation teams
Taiwan?
“你會不會講中文?不會?好,那個…請等一下。”
Even NTU has a tiny “international center,” but it mostly handles student va
ccinations and doesn’t have the manpower.
---
4. Cultural mismatch: Taiwan medicine = paternalistic & NHI-speed
Foreigners expect:
“Explain my options clearly.”
“Let me ask questions.”
“Document what you just told me.”
Taiwan doctors expect:
compliance
silence
trust in authority
zero difficult questions
fast turnover (because of NHI)
A foreigner asking questions is seen as troublesome or “想太多.”
---
5. NHI payment kills medical tourism
Foreigners in Asia choose:
Singapore (premium)
Hong Kong (premium)
Thailand (medical tourism)
South Korea (specialized)
Japan (quality system)
Taiwan charges NHI-level fees.
Foreigners think:
“Cheap = risky or low quality.”
And honestly?
The service model is low quality by global standards, even if the medical know
ledge is good.
---
2. Why Taiwanese hospitals don’t want foreign patients
Here’s the even more blunt part.
Foreign patients require:
more time
more explanation
more documentation
more communication
more complaints
more administrative work
But they don’t pay more.
Under NHI:
A Taiwanese patient and a foreigner = same price
And that price is extremely low
A doctor in Taiwan gets maybe NTD 400 for a consult.
A foreigner asking detailed questions = 20–30 minutes lost.
Meanwhile they could see 5 local patients and finish on time.
So the system is built to discourage complexity.
Foreign patients = complexity.
Therefore…
Taiwanese hospitals secretly prefer locals.
Many administrators straight-up admit this off the record.
---
Summary (the brutally honest version)
Foreigners avoid Taiwan because:
service isn’t global-standard
documentation is weak
language barrier
insurance problems
paternalistic doctor culture
hospitals aren’t designed for them
Hospitals avoid foreigners because:
foreigners take more time
NHI pays too little
foreign cases require English
foreign cases ask questions
international documentation is burden
no incentive to improve
---
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