[情報] Joerger跟年輕球員的問題

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標題[情報] Joerger跟年輕球員的問題

時間Sat Apr 13 18:04:11 2019

本篇來自The Athletic，因為要付費，然後我剛好有買 Divac官腔的內容我就不拿了這篇是由國王記者Jason Jones撰寫，裡面點出了Joerger教練跟年輕人的衝突 Joerger never seemed to connect with prized rookie Marvin Bagley III, leaving the second overall pick to wonder privately if Joerger even liked him, a sourc e said. Joerger從來沒有跟Bagley走在同一條線上，讓這個#2順位球員懷疑教練是否喜歡他 Harry Giles, another player the front office had faith in, couldn’t crack Joe rger’s rotation earlier in the season, and sources said Giles was a player th e coach did not communicate well with or believe in. Harry Giles，另外一位管理層重視的球員，季初沒辦法擠進Joerger的輪值，而消息來源指出Giles是Joerger沒辦法好好相處或是相信的球員 Then there was the blowup on the sideline Feb. 21 at Golden State between Joer ger and guard Buddy Hield, who didn’t run the play Joerger called out of a ti meout late in the game. Hield saw an opening and sank a deep 3 that led to Joe rger yelling at his leading scorer as Warriors superstar Kevin Durant looked o n with bewilderment. 在2月21那場當Hield沒有按照Joerger暫停後的進攻跑的時候，Hield發現一個空檔的機會然後命中3分，讓Joerger對他大吼，也讓KD很困惑 https://youtu.be/3AvGsuojnZo

Later, Hield hesitated on a deep, open 3 that could have won the game and beat himself up after the game for not taking the shot. Joerger的這個大吼後，Hiled在一個空檔3分的出手猶豫了，因為被自己打敗而無法出手 Hield and Joerger said the exchange had nothing to do with Hield not shooting, but sources said Hield was bothered by how Joerger undressed him publicly. Hield在那場的賽後雖然表示兩人的交流沒有改變他沒出手的決定，但消息來源說Hiled對於Joerger這種公開讓他難看的行為非常困擾 Hield had expressed concerns about his role with the Kings last season, and so urces said Hield was another player Joerger was not as high on as management w as going into this season. Sources also said Joerger would have been in favor of trading Hield before the 2018-19 season. Hield在去年曾經對於自己的定位表達不滿，而消息來源指出Hiled是另外一位Joerger評價沒有管理層那麼高的球員，甚至Joerger會支持在這賽季開始前交易Hield If Bogdan Bogdanovic hadn’t been injured to start the season, there’s a chan ce Hield, who made 278 3s this season, seventh-most in league history, might h ave still been a reserve. 如果不是Bogdan Bogdanovic受傷，Hield這位本季命中278個3分，史上命中數第7多的球員，仍然可能是替補 When Shumpert was traded in February and the Kings landed small forward Harris on Barnes in a separate deal with Dallas, some within the Kings were miffed as to why Joerger would eventually start Barnes at power forward after complaini ng he needed a true small forward. Joerger had used the undersized Shumpert in that role before he was traded. That wasn’t the only difference in opinion J oerger had with the front office about the roster. Sources say Joerger also fa vored drafting Luka Doncic over Bagley and was not satisfied with the backup p oint guards behind De’Aaron Fox. 當Shumpert被交易走然後國王拿到Barnes後，國王高層對於Joerger抱怨他需要一個真正的小前鋒卻把Barnes放在大前鋒這點非常惱火，而Shumpert在被交易前被Joerger拿來當u ndersize的小前鋒，這不是唯一Joerger跟管理層的衝突，他曾經主張選Doncic大於Bagle y，對Fox的替補控球表示不滿剩下就是Divac講怎麼找教練了所以就直接講衝突這部分，看起來國王內部確實有溝通上的問題 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 111.82.114.172 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Kings/M.1555149853.A.D0E.html ※ 編輯: dragon803 (111.82.114.172), 04/13/2019 18:04:25 ※ 編輯: dragon803 (111.82.114.172), 04/13/2019 18:08:07 ※ 編輯: dragon803 (111.82.114.172), 04/13/2019 18:10:02

推 michaelch: 看來二哥廚藝不錯但一直不想炒現有的食材啊... 04/13 18:29

推 gibe: 謝謝資訊，這些問題不會太意外，重點是找的到更合適的嗎lol04/13 18:29

→ michaelch: 太執著於聰明多工的球員有點輕視單純的高壯快? 04/13 18:30

推 DeAaronFox: 這些都是事實好像還少一項季中Bagley陣營放話要增加 04/13 18:33

→ DeAaronFox: 上場時間。找HB來，卻讓他打四號線昂，真的超傻眼的 04/13 18:33

→ DeAaronFox: 開季Bogi受傷巴弟自己也把握住機會04/13 18:35

→ DeAaronFox: 巴弟就是Vivek的寶呀而且真的夠努力04/13 18:36

推 pennykidd: 其實如果早一點讓Giles當假先發讓榜眼對位到三號也許 04/13 18:45

→ pennykidd: 不錯 04/13 18:45

推 pennykidd: 三衛先發真的找死二哥太執著也是下課主因 04/13 18:46

※ 編輯: dragon803 (111.82.114.172), 04/13/2019 18:48:26

→ pennykidd: Giles在五小體系就是嘴綠我疼來的話他應該會起飛04/13 18:48

推 Wwc0130: 算了其實這些說出來隱隱約約也是感覺得到問題火了也好04/13 18:59

→ Wwc0130: 不然下球季衝突一起來年輕人大概率又爆炸04/13 19:00

推 justin1943: 把bb8一直放三號真的很不懂04/13 19:14

推 michaelch: 軟豆腐元年除了腦補Fox從中學到組織技巧好像也是一場04/13 19:16

→ michaelch: 空...感覺球隊細節提升得很緩慢04/13 19:16

推 csticker: 好不容易找來一個先發等級的三號位拉去往上打真的很惱人04/13 19:16

推 bighead50405: 勇士那場很有印象，之後Buddy感覺像中邪一樣，表現04/13 19:17

→ bighead50405: 大多位於低檔，現在看來確實其來有自04/13 19:18

推 thekinginsid: 感謝提供資訊04/13 19:32

推 Predrag26671: 二哥在三號位的處理真的不怎麼優04/13 19:41

推 michaelch: 說實話巴弟靠準度打出成績戰術上還是蠻邊緣的 04/13 20:30

推 BnLou: was not satisfied with the backup point guards behind 04/13 20:36

→ BnLou: Fox. 這句是不滿意替補PG群吧？！ 04/13 20:36

這句我也想了很久~~，我在思考是當備案還是替補，剛問了下應該是後者，我改下，謝謝 ~ ※ 編輯: dragon803 (111.82.114.172), 04/13/2019 20:38:28

推 Gunsroses: 推 MB3開季放板凳我沒意見 HB來了卻打PF是有點傻眼 04/13 21:08

→ Gunsroses: 替補PG的確是個問題 Yogi是SG骨 FM不行 Bogi不試試? 04/13 21:11

→ Gunsroses: 我覺得Walton真的滿有機會的 XDDD 04/13 21:12

→ Gunsroses: 今年唬人的問題根本就是魔術和LBJ 破壞了原本的Process 04/13 21:13

推 airer: 感謝分享 04/13 23:08

推 shyu7671: 推龍大，有些寫手外電都不看就狂噴老迪，覺得... 04/13 23:11

推 Terra791205: 推龍大 04/13 23:31

推 Predrag26671: 不只巴弟在戰術上邊緣嚴格說起來射手戰術都滿貧乏 04/13 23:34

推 h321123aa: 如果內部氣氛那麼差，那真的不改變不行，但目前市場上 04/13 23:38

→ h321123aa: 的教練又有誰適合我們勒… 04/13 23:38

推 DeAaronFox: The Score風格 Walton的進攻可能可行但防守才是問題 04/13 23:54

推 taylor190716: 但說實在 Buddy那鳥運球也沒辦法讓他太多單打 04/14 02:24

→ taylor190716: 應該先穩定到K.Thompson這水準的 04/14 02:25

推 qwerty789: KT持球能力前期也是很糟糕的現在是勇士體系+練成幾乎 04/14 02:28

→ qwerty789: 不用運到球就可以砍個20分 04/14 02:28

推 qwerty789: 前幾年的勇士持球的一直都是Jarrett Jack和Iggy 04/14 02:31

→ dragon803: https://i.imgur.com/BXtQ8RU.jpg Walton要來了(? 04/14 03:16

→ gibe: 已經來了，希望是好結果囉 04/14 04:40

→ starcry: 季中後MB3除了沒先發以外算很受重用的吧替補上來都能 04/14 06:46

→ starcry: 打將近30分鐘也沒限制他的出手犯錯也還是繼續待在場上 04/14 06:46

→ starcry: buddy運球算流暢的只是還不懂看時機收放 04/14 06:48

推 yeustream: 吼Hiled那個三分出手真的莫名其妙,時間緊迫在追分時,那 04/14 11:41

→ yeustream: 出手選擇並沒有很差呀,何況還進了~吼成那樣是在想啥 04/14 11:42

推 yhes916103: 因為Joerger有設計戰術，結果Buddy帶過半場就直接幹三 04/14 11:52

→ yhes916103: 分 04/14 11:52

推 yeustream: 我是覺得其他時候重過程,不聽戰術被吼剛好.但時間緊迫 04/14 20:03

→ yeustream: 應該更重結果.我相信Hiled出手那個3分時應該有做好不進 04/14 20:03

→ yeustream: 被罵的心理準備,但他顯然沒料到投進了還是被罵慘. 04/14 20:04

→ yeustream: Joerger可能很注重紀律,這是好事.但以這球看來,我覺得 04/14 20:06

→ yeustream: 他可能有點過頭了 04/14 20:07

推 michaelch: 很明顯啦他的真愛就是Bogi這種歐陸頭腦派扎實的高低 04/14 20:26

→ michaelch: 位供輸三巨頭的快/準/爆發力他都想用理性抑制下來 04/14 20:27

→ michaelch: 17年他都讓全隊陪軟豆腐打龜速陣地戰 04/14 20:28

→ michaelch: 從防守效率來說明顯大家配合度差下半季更是信任崩盤 04/14 20:29

推 Predrag26671: 我覺得那球之後回休息室有討論空間 04/14 20:39

→ Predrag26671: 但在那個當下吼球員打亂追分時的士氣真的不太好 04/14 20:40

推 wingtoya: 不知道球員看到教練被火的消息，有什麼反應 04/14 21:29

推 dblcu: 不照戰術亂打，沒人跟我一樣覺得教練罵人沒錯嗎 04/14 21:46

→ dblcu: 小牛的卡萊爾可是每一波都會在場邊叫戰術的耶.... 04/14 21:47

推 KillLakers: 分手就算了怎麼感覺特意黑二哥................... 04/14 22:08

→ KillLakers: 扣掉MB3和077的部分沒照戰術跑當然罵怎麼可能進了 04/14 22:09

→ KillLakers: 就說你好棒棒.... 另外巴弟先發單純是二陣需要BB8帶 04/14 22:10

→ KillLakers: 此外他配Fox組瘋狂短跑雙槍一切一投剛好而已 04/14 22:12

推 KillLakers: 要說二哥是鐵血愛罵的話我還蠻好奇WCS怎能散成這樣 04/14 22:16

→ KillLakers: 小前這問題足足放了半季最後才撿個快壞的小前回來修 04/14 22:18

推 KillLakers: 結果禁區問題就放著不管了替補控板上大家也譙到不行 04/14 22:21

→ KillLakers: 貌合神離想分手就離但這樣真的太黑人........ 04/14 22:22

→ Gunsroses: 今天看了幾個球員的推特二哥走人竟然都沒人發表感言 04/16 07:43

→ Gunsroses: 說實在話很難不多做聯想 04/16 07:44

推 Grammy: 真的大家開開心心地跟我疼合照 04/16 08:07

推 DeAaronFox: 看來內部真的有問題 Bagley H20可能和二哥都處不好 04/16 10:16

推 bradpete: MB3 記得有一篇在季中Ig 發文說懷念K教練和Duke 生活 04/16 13:18

→ bradpete: 肯定對於二哥不太滿意啦 04/16 13:18