作者claus (La Jolla)
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標題Re: [新聞] 易建聯合約實際價格
時間Thu Aug 25 01:01:16 2016
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q74
簡單總結
a) bonus算不算到薪資空間裡，會依據likely或not likely去區分，前者會算進去，
後者不會。通常都是用去年的成績來區分，但有時候如果勞資雙方不同意用去年成績
來區分的話，則會指定中立仲裁人來決定。
b) not likely的bonus上限是該合約正常薪資的15%。而合約的第一年裡，不論是likely
或是not likely的bonus金額都必須符合正常的薪資帽規定。
==>Yi的合約所有金額都要符合薪資帽規定
==>季末結算豪華稅的時候，我就不是很清楚是不是還用likely/not likely去區分，
或是會依照實際有沒有達標來區分了，不知道有沒有強者可以回答？
c) 附帶一提，底薪合約不能有任何bonus條款
74. Can incentives be built into a contract? How do they apply to team salary?
There are three categories of allowable incentives: performance,
academic/physical achievement, and extra promotional. The latter two
categories are always included in the player's salary and team salary
amounts. Performance incentives are classified as either "likely to be
achieved" or "not likely to be achieved," with only the likely incentives
included in the player's salary and team salary amounts. The determination of
whether an incentive is likely or unlikely is based on whether the criterion
was achieved in the previous season. For example, if a player had seven
assists per game the previous season, then an incentive based on seven
assists per game would be classified as likely to be achieved, but one based
on eight assists per game would be classified as not likely.
If either the league or players association feels that the previous season
does not fairly predict the performance in the current season, then a
jointly-selected expert determines whether the default classification should
be overruled. This can happen when the player was injured the previous season.
Unlikely bonuses in any season are limited to 15% of the player's regular
salary in that season. In the first season of a contract the base salary,
likely bonuses and unlikely bonuses must all fit within the salary cap or
exception. The league determines a team's available room under the cap or an
exception by adding in the unlikely bonuses for all players who signed that
season. This prevents a team from signing multiple players to lower salaries
but with lots of unlikely bonuses that collectively exceed the cap room it
has to offer. For example, if the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception is $5
million and this exception is used to sign a player to a contract with $2
million in base salary and $200,000 in unlikely incentives, then only $2.8
million of their Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception can be used to sign other
players.
Incentives must be structured so that they provide an incentive for positive
achievement by the player or team, and are based upon numerical benchmarks
(such as points per game or team wins) or generally recognized league
honors1. The numerical benchmarks must be specific -- for example, a bonus
may be based on the player's free throw percentage exceeding 80%, but may not
be based on a relative measure such as the player's free throw percentage
improving over his previous season's percentage. Certain kinds of incentives
are not allowed, such as those based on the player being on the team's roster
on a specific date or for a specific number of games.
All performance incentives are re-evaluated at the start of each season to
determine whether they should be classified as likely or not likely to be
achieved. Performance incentives are recomputed when a player is traded, but
only if they are team-related and based on the previous-season performance of
the team. For example, suppose Team A won 25 games last season, and Team B
(with the league MVP) won 55. Also suppose the MVP has a performance
incentive that is based on his team winning 30 games. Going into the season
this incentive would be classified as likely to be achieved, since his team
(Team B) won 55 games the previous season. Now suppose this player is traded
to Team A in exchange for draft picks. The incentive would be recomputed upon
the trade, and in this case would be reclassified from likely to unlikely to
be achieved, since the player's new team won fewer than 30 games the previous
season (even though adding the MVP should easily push Team A's win total
above 30).2
Other rules related to incentives:
Minimum salary contracts cannot contain bonuses of any kind.
The rules for raises (and decreases) also apply to incentives. When salary
increases or decreases are limited to 4.5% or 7.5%, then likely and unlikely
bonuses may each increase or decrease by 4.5% or 7.5%, respectively (see
question number 55).
If a contract with bonuses is extended (see question number 60), then the
extension must have the same bonuses. The bonus amounts may increase or
decrease by up to 7.5%, but they can't be left off.
The Amnesty provision has specific rules related to incentives. See question
number 69 for more information.
1 Generally recognized league honors includes MVP, Finals MVP, Defensive
Player of the Year, Sixth Man, Most Improved Player, All-NBA Team (first,
second and third), All-Defensive Team (first and second), and All-Star
selection.
2 An interesting case of bonus recomputation occurred during the 2013-14
season. Luke Ridnour had a performance bonus that was based on his team
making the playoffs. At the start of the season he played for Milwaukee,
which had made the playoffs the previous season, so his bonus was classified
as likely. Ridenour was later traded to Charlotte, which had missed the
playoffs the previous season, so his bonus was reclassified to unlikely upon
the trade. Therefore, Ridnour ironically went from having a likely bonus he
wasn't going to earn, to having an unlikely bonus he was going to earn.
※ 引述《PTTTTER (帶著微笑就好)》之銘言：
: 借這篇的標題問一下
: 如果合約部份底薪為一百萬 獎金為七百萬
: 那套用在薪資上限上 是用前者還是後者?
: 如果是後者 如果沒有達到可拿獎金的門檻又如何計算?
: 先謝謝各位的回答了
: ※ 引述《Boogie74 (Boogie)》之銘言：
: : 版上前陣子的兩種說法，
: : 底薪vs八百萬 應該有了結論，
: : 答案很有可能是兩種都對，
: : 根據幾篇最新的報導結果表示，
: : 易建聯與湖人同意的合約可能是非保障的底薪合約，
: : 隨著易建聯的表現以及待在球隊的時間長度，
: : 會有激勵獎金的方式往上增加，
: : 而增加的最大值即為八百萬美金。
: : 意指如果湖人開季後很快的便將易建聯開除，
: : 他可能只能拿到最低的百萬餘元，
: : 若等到季末則可能拿到最多八百萬美金。
: : -
: : 部分相關新聞原文：
: : The Lakers and Chinese star Yi Jianlian are in the final stages of completing a deal for the forward to return to the NBA, said league officials who were not authorized to speak publicly about the contract.
: : Yi’s contract would be for the veteran’s minimum of $1.139 million that could reach “several million more” if he reaches some wide-ranging incentive bonuses in the deal, one official said.
: : But the deal hasn’t been completed yet because Yi and the Lakers are still waiting for clearance on several fronts that could “happen soon or could take a while,” one of the officials said.
: : http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/la-sp-lakers-ln-yi--20160817-snap-story.html
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推 Solid4: 微離題，照你附的條例解說，第四段最後一句提到不能以日期 08/25 08:00
→ Solid4: 或參賽數當作獎勵，那這樣之前傳出來的各種情報(包括理查 08/25 08:01
→ Solid4: 在NBA版提到的)都不成立唉？ 08/25 08:01
推 Solid4: 而季末結算那個感覺不太重要，Yi的base 1M unlikly bonus 08/25 08:06
→ Solid4: 最高也才150k而已.. 08/25 08:06
→ Solid4: 啊當我沒說，找到了，#21有說不管likely與否 是算實拿 08/25 08:08
→ yeeh: 因為是超過15%,所以他如果沒被釋出,59場比賽後就吃薪資空間 08/25 13:35
→ yeeh: 15%以內的才能算bonus 08/25 13:36
→ yeeh: 但Yi的合約交易價值很高 08/25 13:37
推 laidon: 就算8m進了薪資空間，咱也沒有人能簽，明年又空出來，沒啥 08/25 15:13
→ laidon: 好計較的 08/25 15:13
→ gordon27: 對球迷來說只要沒影響明年空間 1年花多少錢都沒差啊 08/25 22:56
推 rainie520811: 對某些人來說當然有差囉，因為他們認為Yi是戰力外的 08/25 23:49
→ rainie520811: 角色，只可守開特力，就是Ryan Kelly 2.0啊！噢對了 08/25 23:49
→ rainie520811: ，還有覺得他是中國人，自以為很愛台灣，看個球也要 08/25 23:49
→ rainie520811: 扯政治www 08/25 23:49
→ micbrimac: 還是覺得Yi比Kelly強多了 08/26 00:15
→ micbrimac: Kelly不只體能差 還很玻璃 08/26 00:15
→ newsboy3423: 老實講我也覺的易比上將好 而且我不排斥中國大陸的 08/26 00:28
推 SilenceWFL: 如果他今天不是中國人負面評論肯定沒那麼多 08/26 00:35
→ SilenceWFL: 討厭中國跟討厭yee是兩件不同的事 不應該因為身分討厭 08/26 00:36
→ SilenceWFL: 他 說真的不管簽誰 反正才一年 我覺得都是好操作 08/26 00:37
推 kangta740508: 易的合約細節出來了 總版~ 08/26 00:41
→ gordon27: 的確啦 Yi不是中國人的話討論不會這麼多 不過這可能就是 08/26 00:44
→ gordon27: 球團簽他的目的之一啦 08/26 00:44
推 newsboy3423: 我今年選秀還有點希望賭周琦咧 XD 08/26 00:57
推 ping1777: 痛痛人獎金XDDDDDD 08/26 01:43
推 toast1521: 周的顏值不喜歡(喂 08/26 08:04
推 rl55586: 還好沒選周 看周在奧運各種慘 08/26 08:26
→ SimmonsBen: 要有顏值的新秀就找這位～～ 不佔球權不用上場時間又 08/26 08:32
→ SimmonsBen: 年輕潛力無窮 而且球衣都穿好了(被拖走 08/26 08:32
推 Solid4: 此周非彼周啊 有興趣的請洽twice版(廣告 08/26 08:34
→ laidon: 酸迷怎麼講，隨他們去; 選秀前周琦順位一度比Maker高，我 08/26 10:01
→ laidon: 還覺得2輪能選到他，就賺翻了; 覺得簽Yi不佳，中國血統絕 08/26 10:05
→ laidon: 對是少部份，表現才是球迷最關心的 08/26 10:05
推 SilenceWFL: 說實在我覺得yee還不錯帥 周就是老鼠臉 08/26 11:24
推 age200: 老鼠臉XDDD這樣對嗎 08/26 11:42
→ angelmax: 說真的沒什麼好酸的 又不是簽長約 就算是保障合約也不占 08/26 11:44
→ angelmax: 未來薪資空間 就是CP值不高的打工仔而已 08/26 11:44
→ angelmax: 如果我們是季後賽隊伍 最後一張拼圖補Yi不爽可以理解 08/26 11:45
→ angelmax: 問題現在不是 剩下人選也沒啥好挑的 08/26 11:45
推 kangta740508: 剩下了還是有人選阿 我有一批便宜好用的老將要不要~ 08/26 12:13
→ newsboy3423: 看他們要不要來啊 也看他們接不接受一年約 08/26 12:47
→ o0991758566: 連老大都稱讚Yi 看來我不該否定他的 應該早幾年來! 08/26 15:31
→ o0991758566: Pau走了 應該補他 來個易曼巴連線可以殺入季後賽 08/26 15:32
→ newsboy3423: 其實易剛進聯盟我也有點期待 08/26 16:05
推 ToBeGentle: 那時候還年輕 不用拿那時候標準預設現在一樣 08/26 17:36
推 newsboy3423: 線在如果能當稱職陪練的我已經覺得很滿意了 08/26 17:49
→ Verlander35: 否正確，說薪資和交易都算8M，交易到易的球隊裁掉只 08/26 21:59
→ Verlander35: 需付1.1m，能因此省錢 08/26 21:59
推 richard1003: 如果是這樣的話,其實是不錯的交易贈品 08/26 22:51
推 kangta740508: 難道 易+老尖~下一支新球隊 0.0 08/26 23:11
推 kangta740508: 奧運後的第一筆交易~76人VS爵士 08/26 23:14
推 dloslaker: 其實我也是滿期待椅子易的啦XD 08/27 00:34
推 SilenceWFL: 反正他做甚麼都會被放大關注 大概比林在湖人更慘w 08/27 01:36
推 LaoDa5815566: 我只關心vc56何時要復出 08/27 09:13
推 lwei781: 就人肉 TE, CBA 下次應該要修掉的東西 08/27 09:42