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原標題:Lonzo Ball's Shooting Is a Serious Problem for LA Lakers LOS ANGELES — With LeBron James sidelined with a groin injury since Christmas, the Los Angeles Lakers have needed more from their younger stars, especially second-year point guard Lonzo Ball. L.James至從聖誕節大戰鼠蹊部拉傷後,在L.James缺陣這段時間,湖人需要young core能 跳出來對球隊有更多的貢獻,尤其是二年級生L.Ball。 Ball, who has struggled to shoot consistently since joining the NBA as the 2017 second overall pick, has improved to 40.7 percent from the field after hitting just 36 percent of his shots as a rookie. He's not a good shooter, but he's made some progress. 作為一個2017年的榜眼,從進入NBA後對於投籃一直非常的掙扎,目前已從上一季36%進步 到截至目前為止的40%。L.Ball仍然不是一個好的Shooter,但可見有一些的進步。 Where Ball needs to massively improve is at the free-throw line, where his shooting has made Shaquille O'Neal look like Steph Curry. Through five games played in 2019, Ball has really slumped, hitting just two of 11 attempts (18.2 percent), even eliciting boos at Staples Center. It's surprising that teams haven't looked to intentionally foul Ball, like O'Neal before him when it was called "Hack-a-Shaq." 目前為止L.Ball被最為詬病的是罰球線的命中率,近五場比賽在罰球線上11投2中罰球命中 率更只有18.2%,更讓他在主場遭受到球迷的噓聲。只是比較意外是,L.Ball沒有遭遇到駭 客戰術。 He's dropped to just 41.3 percent on the season. Ball seems to just slump his shoulders of late, looking completely drained. It may be a good thing he only attempts 1.1 per game, although coach Luke Walton doesn't necessarily agree. L.Ball截至目前罰球命中率只有41.3%,但還好L.Ball平均每場只會站上罰球線1.1次。 "In practice, he'll sit there and make 25, 30 out of 35. He sits there, and he'll hit them," Walton said. "Some people only go [to the line] twice a game or once every other game, and then that's tough to get into a real rhythm at the line. With him, I think the more he gets there, the more comfortable he'll become." L.Walton認為可能一場比賽只會上罰球線一次,因此很難到節奏罰球線上的節奏,相信 L.Ball如果獲得更多上罰球線的機會,他的節奏將會越來越好。 What can Walton and his staff do to help Ball improve at the line? "It's hard to really tweak things during the season," Walton said. "It's different for everybody. Some people go through mental blocks." 而教練團該如何幫助L.Ball提升他的罰球命中率?L.Walton說到現在在賽季中真的很難調整 ,而有些人則只是對罰球線有心理障礙。 That's the problem. Ball didn't get any time to work on his shooting over the last offseason, recovering from a knee injury. More than any Laker, and maybe more than anyone else in the NBA, Ball needs a long, productive offseason with a player-development coach to work on his fundamentals. 上個休賽期L.Ball專注於膝蓋傷勢的復原,讓他沒有一個很完整的休賽期針對投籃進行訓 練。對Ball跟湖人需要一個完整的休賽期,讓球員發展教練陪著Ball一起建立基礎。 That's not to say his odd shooting form needs to be rebuilt from the ground up. Habits are hard to break, and Ball will probably never have a traditional shot. But he needs to put in significant reps on footwork, balance and timing. 但這不代表需要把L.Ball的投籃機制砍掉整個重建,習慣是難以改變的。也許你不會看到 L.Ball有著正規的投籃機制,但是需要針對L.Ball的footwork、balance、timing進行訓練 "He's been shooting like that for his whole life. If he starts trying to significantly change his form, it'll probably lead to an injury," one video analyst said. 一位影片分析說如果L.Ball已經習慣這樣的投籃方式,如果去改變他的投籃機制,說不定 可能導致受傷。 Can a point guard be successful in this league shooting below 50 percent from the line? 在NBA中有誰罰球命中率低於50%,但是是一名不錯的控球後衛? Fellow Lakers point guard Rajon Rondo has had his share of similar struggles. The four-time All-Star has shot 60.4 percent over his career, and in the 2014-15 season, he hit just 39.7 percent. Rondo doesn't get to the line much either, but he's still a productive, if limited, floor general. 有的,就是L.Ball隊友R.Rondo。R.Rondo也是在罰球線上有著掙扎的表現,這位四度入選 全明星賽的控衛生涯罰球命中率只有60.4%,其中2014-15賽季罰球命中率更只有39.7%。但 R.Rondo在罰球線上的表現,並沒有影響他在場上是一個優秀控衛該有的表現。 Ball's outside shooting has slightly improved this season from 30.5 percent to 33.3 percent. That's still subpar, but if he can climb to about 36 percent, he'll help the Lakers win a lot of games—especially when sharing the court with James. L.Ball本季的外圍投射從上賽季30.5%進步到本季的33.3%,但目前的進步還是不夠,如果 他能進步到36%將會為湖人取得更多的勝利,並搭配著L.James在場上的組織分享球權。 Without James and Rondo, the young Lakers have been forced to adapt. Ball has improved over the last two games after going scoreless in a 108-86 loss to the Minnesota Timberwolves on Sunday, responding with 21 points (4-of-8 from three) the following night versus the Dallas Mavericks. He wasn't going to replicate that hot shooting against the Detroit Pistons on Wednesday, but his 11 assists coupled with aggressive defense helped the Lakers get the 113-100 victory. 湖人的小將們現在只能適應球隊在缺少L.James與R.Rondo的情況下去打比賽,而在面對達 拉斯獨行俠時L.Ball砍下21分,其中有著8投4中的三分球。而面對底特律活塞時,不能維 持著良好的手感,但他提供11次助攻以及防守端的表現來幫助湖人以113比110擊敗活賽取 得勝利。 Ball is a rare player who can make a significant impact on a game while scoring just five points. In almost 35 minutes while he was on the floor, the Lakers outpaced Detroit by 24 points, as Ball put the clamps on Blake Griffin on switches—yes, Blake Griffin. 在面對底特律活塞的比賽時,可以看到L.Ball在球場上整體的影響力,雖然只拿到5分,但 是L.Ball上場時間來到35分鐘且在場上的正負值高達+24為全隊最高,而活塞的B.Griffin 的正負值則為-22。 When he's fully engaged, Ball can be one of the best players in a game, despite his inability to consistently finish at either the basket or free-throw line. That's why he can't let a poor shooting night take him out of his game. He's not a good shooter. He's going to have a lot of off nights. 儘管L.Ball的Finish跟罰球很差,但他還是可以對整場球賽有著一定程度的影響力,他不 是一個好的shooter,但每場球賽還是不能缺少他。 Ball has some similarities to retired All-Star Jason Kidd. Although Kidd was a far more ball-dominant point guard than Ball, in his second season, Kidd only shot 38.1 percent from the field and 33.6 percent from three-point range. At his shooting peak, he hit 42.5 percent from deep in the 2009-10 season, well above his career average of 34.9 percent. 雖然J.Kidd的控場能力比L.Ball來得更好,但J.Kidd生涯的第二賽季投籃命中率只有38.1% ,而三分命中率只有33.6%。而J.Kidd生涯最高的三分命中率是在2009-10賽季時的42.5%, 遠高於J.Kidd生涯的三分命中率34.9%。 It took Kidd over a decade to find his shot. Now that the Lakers have James, they're suddenly in win-now mode. They may not have time to wait for Ball to find a consistent jumper or free throw, especially if teams are able to take advantage of his inability to shoot in the postseason. J.Kidd花了十年才找到他的投籃,但湖人擁有LBJ後,已經從坦隊轉變成Win-now的球隊, 這樣的轉換,讓球隊沒有更多的時間去等待L.Ball找到投籃,尤其是到季後賽對手可能針 對L.Ball無法投籃的問題加以放大。 Walton and his teammates have encouraged Ball to be more of an aggressive scorer and he has looked to shoot more within 10 feet of the basket. Per NBA.com, Ball is attacking in that range on 38.1 percent of his attempts, up from last year's 31.6 percent. Ball is also converting at a higher clip as well, up from 52.2 percent to 55.4 percent. L.Walton和隊友都鼓勵L.Ball成為一個有攻擊性的控衛,並且希望他距離10呎內有更多的 投籃,根據目前官網的數據,目前10呎內的命中率從去年的31.6%上升到本季的38.1%,而 8呎內的投籃命中率則從去年的52.2%上升至55.4%。 -數據整理- 2018-19 2017-18 5ft以內 56.3% 46.0% 5-9ft 25.0% 30.0% 10-14ft 16.7% 40.0% 15-19ft 29.4% 36.0% 20-24ft 27.0% 35.5% 25-29ft 36.4% 29.6% L.Ball 2018-19投籃命中率與投籃分佈圖 https://i.imgur.com/xMYElod.jpg
(投籃命中率右邊底角命中率應為15.8%,官網數據錯誤。) Would the Lakers see an even bigger jump from Ball at the basket if he could also convert at the line? "It seems like that's true, but that's just me trying to get into his head," another video analyst said. Ball may not even consciously know but he needs to be a credible scoring threat for the Lakers, especially as the team moves on past the regular season. L.Ball可能還沒意識到他需要讓自己變成一個可靠的得分手,尤其是進入到季後賽時。 --- 原文:https://goo.gl/V9T7b6 翻譯如有錯誤煩請指正。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 39.10.203.71 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Lakers/M.1547373698.A.CA7.html
RickyRubio09: 我疼:心理障礙啦 調整有信心就好 01/13 18:03
andy82116: 話說雖然Ball的罰球跟屎一樣 但LBJ缺陣一球在手的打法 01/13 18:10
andy82116: 三分命中率可以達到40% 他比較擅長從弧頂投球而不是 01/13 18:10
andy82116: 底角 之後可以調整看看 01/13 18:10
andy776661: 罰球命中率33.6那邊 應該是三分命中率 01/13 18:11
andy776661: Kidd那段 01/13 18:12
andy776661: Ball是真的有進步啦 不過看得出來半場陣地戰還是要多 01/13 18:13
andy776661: 琢磨 01/13 18:13
goldenlen: 推~ 01/13 18:17
※ 編輯: JoelEmbiid (39.10.203.71), 01/13/2019 18:28:08
showshine: 投籃30分進步到50分 多加油吧 01/13 18:34
goodblessu: 認真說第一年的數據不輸Kidd多少,就是罰球差太多。 01/13 18:48
goodblessu: 但Kidd當年可是新人王,不知道當時籃網球迷有沒有認 01/13 18:49
goodblessu: 為Kidd的進攻是史詩級的爛? 01/13 18:49
iandol: Kidd還是比Ball強太多 至少他能讓籃網進步很多勝 01/13 18:50
goodblessu: 不對,Kidd一開始是在小牛... 01/13 18:50
goodblessu: 我忘了 01/13 18:50
iandol: 但是當然也是當時的meta比較適合Kidd 01/13 18:50
goodblessu: 一直覺得Kidd的切入超強,都沒發現生涯命中率滿低 01/13 18:51
Dex5566: 推 01/13 18:52
goodblessu: Kidd去籃網那年是生涯第10年,已經28歲,進入顛峰。 01/13 18:54
iandol: Kidd加入小牛就讓小牛從13勝進步到36勝 這點Ball拍馬也追 01/13 18:54
iandol: 不上 01/13 18:54
goodblessu: 這就是真正All-Star的影響力吧 01/13 18:56
yuxds: 以前的年代 隊伍平均得分應該沒現在高吧 01/13 18:56
iandol: 後來Kidd到太陽第一年只打了23場 那年太陽40勝 隔年Kidd全 01/13 18:59
iandol: 勤打了82場 太陽也飛天變成56勝 01/13 19:00
violing613: 網當時幾乎是老基專屬 水行俠的前身就在當時老基旁邊 01/13 19:00
iandol: 後來去籃網也是直接從26勝拉到52勝 這根本鬼神控衛阿!! 01/13 19:01
iandol: 當你有辦法讓球隊從大爛隊變成強隊 命中率罰球再爛都沒差 01/13 19:02
violing613: 另外網那兩年都是防守第一的球隊 01/13 19:03
violing613: 防守好就能多推防反 01/13 19:03
andy776661: 多少要考慮到那時候的防守戰 跟現在PACE變高 數據通 01/13 19:14
andy776661: 膨的影響 01/13 19:14
asdf151512: 其實認真講,現在球員的平均水準真的比較高 01/13 19:18
asdf151512: 很難再有一個球員隻手遮天的情況了 01/13 19:18
asdf151512: 君不見現在爭冠級球隊幾乎都有雙核~三核 01/13 19:19
andy776661: 應該說現在爭冠球隊標配都至少雙核以上 才很難看到球 01/13 19:23
andy776661: 員隻手遮天吧 也許爆氣可以過一輪 但連續兩三輪都單 01/13 19:23
andy776661: 核打雙巨以上 氣條再長都不夠用 01/13 19:23
samsam80821: 三分線就兩邊底角拖累太多 01/13 19:26
chrisplash: 有一段翻譯錯了,講Kidd生涯最高投籃命中率42.5% 01/13 19:27
chrisplash: 那是三分命中率,連帶後面也是 01/13 19:27
已更正,感謝
samsam80821: 他大學不太會投這位置 01/13 19:28
hasebe: 可怕的是罰球好的明年應該全不在XD 01/13 19:28
samsam80821: 尤其他現在不是非持球者的時候會去蹲底線 01/13 19:29
hasebe: 以前奪冠隊也是雙核以上阿,MJ-皮朋、OK、馬刺、老大大嫂 01/13 19:29
andy776661: 如果真的明年有AD的話 中鋒可能就是湖人罰球組了 01/13 19:30
samsam80821: 以前雙人組夠用 現在要三個起跳 01/13 19:30
sun0912758: Ball這幾場打的真的好 沒話說 如果命中率能到45趴 三 01/13 19:31
sun0912758: 分37趴 絕對是一個明星 很看好他 01/13 19:31
hasebe: 嚴格來說冠軍隊連替補都很威,只是老大老二光芒太強XD 01/13 19:31
※ 編輯: JoelEmbiid (39.10.203.71), 01/13/2019 19:31:41
JoelEmbiid: 接近單核應該只有小牛奪冠那屆 01/13 19:32
Arkham: 罰球只有4成出頭最近更跌到1成然後說是節奏問題..... 01/13 19:33
Arkham: 我疼真的是樂觀啊! 01/13 19:34
samsam80821: 小牛那年季後賽一堆人超進化變核了 01/13 19:34
taker627: 心靈雞湯灌起來 01/13 19:42
kobelouli: 罰球鳥成這樣還說這樣的話真的是滿樂觀的 01/13 19:47
teruhyde12: 每個時代的打法都不會一樣,現在的控衛複製kidd的成績 01/13 19:55
teruhyde12: ,也不可能達到kidd的成就,ball的進攻「一定」要比ki 01/13 19:55
teruhyde12: dd好,我們再來討論他的未來 01/13 19:55
IngramBrando: 推~ 01/13 20:06
andy82116: 現在控衛都要能攻擊 得分後衛反而一堆防守型的放放冷箭 01/13 20:22
andy82116: 不是攻擊重點 Jordan/Kobe在這時代可能會被叫做雙能衛 01/13 20:22
andy82116: 然後去佔控衛額度 01/13 20:22
iandol: 事實上Kobe跟Jordan還真的去打過控衛 不過我還是覺得讓他 01/13 20:27
iandol: 們專門進攻應該會隊球隊更好 雖然打控衛數據不錯 01/13 20:28
ebey30918: 為什麼會有退步的呀@@ 01/13 21:00
Lakers24: 疼總真不愧專業講幹話XD 01/13 21:02
DevilMayCry4: Ball這季的命中率上升覺得是因為LBJ到來,獲得灌籃 01/13 21:37
DevilMayCry4: 跟快攻上籃變多的關係 01/13 21:37
DevilMayCry4: 或許跟他上半身變壯也有關係?上季上籃只要有人稍微 01/13 21:38
DevilMayCry4: 接觸到他他就放槍 01/13 21:38
andy82116: LBJ缺陣的9場 Ball的二分命中率沒有變化太多但還是比去 01/13 21:42
andy82116: 年準 整體而言Ball的數據都比去年好 01/13 21:42
hydegaga: 我覺得跟這年代的球風也有點關係(跟kidd比的話 01/13 21:53
bibyy: 去年那樣成績很難更差了 01/13 21:58
Lakers24: 球其他是不錯,但是這進攻真接受不了.....湖人想走更遠 01/13 22:03
Lakers24: 除了姆斯以外球很關鍵 01/13 22:03
yoman860919: 不改進到季後賽球跟IG應該輪流被駭XD 01/13 22:46
BanJarvan4: 湖人這季主要持球者罰球都挺慘的 01/13 22:51
ying761127: 小牛那屆不算單核吧... 01/13 22:59
BanJarvan4: 小牛那季季前很不被看好啊 贏熱火之後才開始說多核 01/13 23:02
accjm2440: 論 核的定義 01/13 23:02
NinJa: 罰球最基本的東西 結果現在看他們投3分都要比罰球穩是怎樣 01/13 23:03
andy82116: 隔壁撥個蛋至今只miss一顆罰球 真心猛啊 01/13 23:14
dwiee: 投籃教練那時要請啊 光靠燒草+冥想沒什麼用欸 01/13 23:16
dwiee: 團隊罰球倒數第一 ,很難說服人 這招有用 01/13 23:17
thindust: 四少裡只有他變準一點 蠻怪的 照理說有人吸怪會準一點 01/13 23:33
ebv: Kuz練投500顆就變新聞 是否表示其他人.. 要再加油吧! 01/13 23:49
chefM: 不改姿勢感覺沒救,不懂改個投籃動作就會受傷是什麼鬼邏輯 01/14 01:15
samsam80821: 他是說如果阿 01/14 01:39
mingbayf: Walton説不用擔心因為Lonzo練習的時候投35罰球能進25到3 01/14 02:30
mingbayf: 0球,那也是非常爛好嗎! 01/14 02:30
Solid4: 做為參考: https://imgur.com/QxhnyZC 01/14 06:39
Solid4: Pau生涯75%、有Howard這年70%,如果Lonzo練習有80%那還OK 01/14 06:41
Solid4: 35*.8=28 剛好在Walton所謂的練習沒問題都是心理 01/14 06:41
Solid4: 之前有人講過我湖站上罰球線都不深呼吸直接投的,可能也有 01/14 06:42
Solid4: 關係吧 01/14 06:42
Solid4: 當年團隊罰球命中率也是慘烈,不過那至少原因明確XD 01/14 06:44
KarlTowns: 加油 01/14 06:54
hasebe: 小牛那年是平均戰力高,但論星只有司機 01/14 07:51
hasebe: 論星星只有司機 01/14 07:51
holyhelm: 上面的白板也顯示場上罰球次數少的命中率容易大烙賽 01/14 08:11
holyhelm: 跟我疼講的相符 01/14 08:11
holyhelm: 督歪和歐肥時代我湖團隊FT%都不到七成 都是一人拖垮 01/14 08:13
holyhelm: 今年是大家都鳥 01/14 08:13
LBJKO: 其實Shaq關鍵時刻罰球都能把握,但我印象有球員說過 01/14 08:48
LBJKO: 練習時罰球要超過8成以上是"基本" 01/14 08:49
bibyy: 之前不是連魔獸罰球練習都超過八成了 01/14 09:00
Solid4: 就上面這張圖啊,得出來的重點是平平練習8成會有場上70%跟 01/14 09:03
bangch: 模擬考型球員魔獸 正式考試都烙賽 01/14 09:04
Solid4: 場上50%的差別。話又說回來投籃教練可以提供意見的不只是 01/14 09:04
Solid4: 投籃的出手動作,如何訓練肌肉記憶、罰球前調整呼吸這些 01/14 09:05
LBJKO: 對 其實投籃教練真的重要 尤其我們罰這麼爛的狀況下 01/14 09:06
Solid4: 都是練習跟實戰罰球的差異,你找個心理輔導都好,燒鼠尾草 01/14 09:06
Solid4: 聽起來就是最廢最懶的選項之一 01/14 09:07
LBJKO: 不過真的替Phil叫屈 Luke燒尾草那個不是學他,是學半套 01/14 09:07
LBJKO: Phil是助教團裡都有投籃教練 心理層面是輔助的 01/14 09:07
zz25678606: 一個罰球跟三分命中率差不多的概念 01/14 09:41
micbrimac: 我球練習實戰轉換率超高~ 沒有心理層面的問題~ 01/14 10:53
jaholin: EVEN心理作用,難道你就只會說,要有信心,你可以的,加 01/14 11:53
jaholin: 油 01/14 11:53
blackmamba24: BALL這種投籃 在這年代就是廢到笑 傳球視野再強也沒 01/14 13:40
blackmamba24: 啥用 哀~ 01/14 13:41
kaede0711: 膝蓋受傷真的很可惜,如果有完整休賽季訓練他進步應該 01/14 17:39
kaede0711: 會更明顯 01/14 17:39
theowing: 季中很難調整聽起來很像幹話啊 那季前/季初的時候在幹嘛 01/15 01:28
theowing: 不要跟我說他練習9成 實戰4成 明明就很明顯的缺點 01/15 01:28
theowing: 講的好像第一天發現一樣 01/15 01:28
theowing: 傷勢加上季前微改姿勢 教練團完全沒有盯著進度? 01/15 01:36