[情報] Manfred對太鼓事件進行發言

[youngluke (luke)]

https://www.mlb.com/news/rob-manfred-discusses-2017-astros-in-press-conference

NORTH PORT, Fla. -- MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred spoke Sunday afternoon at
Grapefruit League media day and answered a variety of questions regarding the
baseball world’s reaction to the punishments the Astros received for illegal
sign-stealing in 2017 and 2018.

阿曼在周日下午的葡萄柚聯盟媒體日回答了關於太鼓事件一些問題

“When we began the investigation after we became aware of the Houston
situation, we started with an important and fundamental goal and that goal
was to make sure that we found the facts, completed the investigation,
figured out what was going on and put ourselves in a position to be as
transparent with our fans and the other clubs as possible,” Manfred said. “
Our desire to find the facts, to figure out what really went on, drove a lot
of the decisions we made in the investigation process.

"我們調查的目標就是要確保找到真相，然後對外界透明公開"

(呃 所以哪些球員乾淨的可不可以公開一下.....)





“I think the worst possible outcome from this institution would’ve been if
we had conducted an investigation and we came back and said, 'You know, we
just couldn’t figure out what was going on.' People had a right to know what
happened, and we did achieve that goal.”

最糟的情況是沒找到真相，人們有權利知道發生了甚麼，我們達成了這點"

(我說我的那個權利)





No players were disciplined as part of the process, and Manfred stood behind
that decision despite some recent criticism from players around the league
that Astros players got off too easy.

對於沒有球員受罰這點，雖然受到球員批評但阿曼仍表達了支持

“I’m more than prepared to tolerate and listen to the debate and criticism
about whether or not the punishments that have been levied in this case were
sufficient,” Manfred said. “The one thing that I do take an issue with is
the notion that anyone in the Houston organization escaped without
punishment. I think if you look at the faces of the Houston players as they
went out there publicly addressing this issue, they have been hurt by this.
They will live with questions about what went on in 2017 and 2018 for the
rest of their lives. And frankly it’s rare that for any offense, to have a
punishment that you have to live with for the rest of your life.”

"我認為重要的是太空人高層有沒有被懲處，而球員的部分，從這幾天球員的公開露面
你就可以看出他們受到了傷害，他們未來的人生都會活在2017年發生了甚麼的問題中，
而很少會有違規行為的懲罰會和你整個後半生共度"

姑且不否認目前整團都黑的





Manfred said MLB officials spent considerable time considering whether to
strip the Astros of their championship.

MLB官方花了很多時間討論是否要拔冠

“We thought about it,” he said. “It was high in terms of the minutes that
we spent talking about it. My thinking involves several points. First of all,
it had never happened in baseball. And I’m a precedent guy. I’m not saying
you always follow precedent, but I think you ought to start by looking back
at the way things have been done and you have to have a really good reason to
depart from that precedent.

"我們討論了很多，我的想法是，首先，這在棒球史上沒有發生過
我是盡量遵守前例的人，你必須要有很好的理由來擺脫前例"

你改了多少棒球規則了





“I believed that the most fundamental obligation was to get the facts, put
them out there, and let people make their own judgment as to what happened in
the 2017 season and the 2017 World Series. If nothing else, I think we can
all agree that we’ve gotten enough facts out there, and plenty of people
have made their judgments as to what went on.”

"我相信最重要的是得到真相，然後讓人們評價在2017發生了甚麼"

可是你禁止球隊評價




So while MLB did not take the trophy back, the investigation has cast the
championship team in a different light.

即使MLB沒有收回冠軍，調查過程已經將冠軍變色

“Once you have a situation in which the 2017 World Series will always be
looked at as something different, whether or not you put an asterisk or ask
for the trophy back, I just don’t think it makes that much difference,"
Manfred said. "I think we did what we should do: We found the facts and we
were transparent about them. Once you go down that road of changing what
happens on the field, I just don’t know how you decide where you stop.”

"當你覺得2017的冠軍有問題，不管你是打星號或要求收回，我覺得都差不多
我覺得重要的還是找到真相然後公開，如果真的要改變甚麼，你可能找不到停止的點

Manfred touched on a series of related topics, including:

其他回應

Whether the Astros punishment had been serious enough to deter others: “

這樣的懲罰有沒有威攝力?

Yeah, I do. I think perspective, right? You had four really respected
baseball people -- [Astros president of baseball operations] Jeff Luhnow,
[Astros manager] AJ Hinch, [Red Sox manager] Alex Cora and [Mets manager]
Carlos Beltrán -- that lost their jobs over this. I think losing your job in
a sport like baseball -- where there’s really no substitute -- is a pretty
serious deterrent. On the player’s side, I don’t think there’s a player in
Major League Baseball who relishes the idea of being a 2017 Houston Astro and
is out there answering questions about what exactly happened and why it
happened.”

"我認為有，我們開除了4個人，你在體育界失去工作很難找到替代的
這很嚴厲，而球員中應該沒有人想像現在太鼓球員現在這樣不斷被質問"

On players threatening retaliation against the Astros: “

關於目前球員發表的復仇威脅"

I think the back-and-forth that’s gone on is not healthy. This is another
topic on which we’re trying to be proactive. I met with half the managers here
in Florida before I came out here, and I’ll meet the other half in Arizona. I
hope that I made it extremely clear to them that retaliation in-game by
throwing at a batter intentionally will not be tolerated -- whether it’s at
Houston or anybody else. I think it’s dangerous and it is not helpful to the
current situation.”

"我認為這很不健康，我和教練們會面，我會明確表示砸人報復行為不會被容忍
這對現況不會有幫助"

On allegations the Astros wore buzzers as part of the sign-stealing:

蜂鳴器

The players were candid about 2017 and the fact that they violated the rules in
2017. They were candid and consistent about the fact that the rules were
violated in 2018. They were equally consistent in the denials, everybody,
every single witness, in the denials about this buzzer allegation. I think in
my own mind, it was hard for me to figure out why they would tell us, given
that they were immune, why they would be truthful, admit they did the wrong
thing in ’17, admit they did the wrong thing in ’18 and then lie about what
was going in '19. Now, can I tell you that I’m 100 percent sure about that?
You’re never 100 percent sure in any of these things, but that was my best
judgment.”

"球員坦白2017，球員坦白2018，同時明確否認蜂鳴器，我不覺得其中半真半假
我不會100%確定，你永遠不會100%確定這些事，但這是我目前認為的最佳判斷

原來2018也有




On whether there will be any rule changes made to prevent this from happening
again: “

是否會有預防性質的其他規則改變?

I do expect that for 2020, we will have really serious restrictions
on players’ and playing personnel’s access to video in-game. I think it’s
really important for us to send a message to our fans that not only did we
investigate and punish, but that we altered our policies in a way that will
help make sure that it doesn’t happen again.

"我們在2020對球員和其他人員在比賽中看影片會有嚴格限制，我認為這件事送出了重要的
訊息表示我們進行了調查和處分，同時並確保未來不會再度發生"




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※ 編輯: youngluke (23.241.114.153 美國), 02/17/2020 11:16:39
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