[外電] David Ortiz稱Mike Fiers料耙仔

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標題[外電] David Ortiz稱Mike Fiers料耙仔

時間Fri Feb 21 06:00:53 2020

原文 https://es.pn/2wzBaB8 David Ortiz: Mike Fiers looks like a 'snitch' for exposing Astros scandal ESPN: Joon Lee 2:35PM ET FORT MYERS, Fla. -- Red Sox legend David Ortiz expressed his displeasure with Oakland A's pitcher Mike Fiers, the whistleblower in the sign-stealing scandal that has engulfed baseball for the past few months, saying that the former Astros hurler should have said something in the moment about the infamous trash-can banging scheme instead of waiting until he was on another team. 紅襪傳奇Big Papi表達了自己對綠帽投手Fiers的不滿，該員抖出的太鼓達人案在過去幾個月鬧得棒壇風雨交加。Ortiz說這位前太色投手不該等到他轉隊了才說，應該立時擊鼓申冤。 "I'm mad at this guy, the pitcher who came out talking about it," Ortiz said at JetBlue Park on Thursday. "And let me tell you why. Oh, after you make your money, after you get your ring, you decide to talk about it. Why don't you talk about it during the season when it was going on? Why didn't you say, 'I don't want to be no part of it? So you look like you're a snitch. Why you gotta talk about it after? That's my problem. Why nobody said anything while it was going on?" "我對這個爆料投手感到火大"Ortiz週四在Jetblue Park表示。"跟我解釋為什麼你錢入袋了戒指也拿了才出來放話。你為什麼球季打到一半不講? 為什麼你不直接說你不參與? 所以我的看法、你就是個放馬後砲的料耙仔。為什麼當時連個屁都沒有人放?" Ortiz said he did not understand how somebody in the Astros clubhouse did not speak out earlier about the cheating schemes being developed in Houston. Ortiz說他不懂為什麼太色隊沒人講過作弊一事 "The Houston Astros, I know they put themselves in a situation and I just still don't know how come nobody was like, 'That is wrong.' I just don't know how no one say something about it," Ortiz said. "During, not after. I was in the clubhouse for a long time and never anything like that comes up. Now, they're going to have to deal with that for a long time because it's not only a situation that involves players. You're talking about the whole franchise." “我知道太色人是自找的，但是我不懂為什麼沒人出來指正這件事”Ortiz說”是當時、不是事後。我在球隊打滾了這麼久都沒碰過這種事。現在他們這鍋要扛很久了，因為這不是只有球員，是整個球團都參與” Fiers pitched for the 2017 World Series champion Astros before leaving for the Tigers, and now pitches for Oakland. Ortiz, who's a special assistant to the general manager for Boston and is also a broadcaster for Fox, added that he thinks commissioner Rob Manfred is receiving too much criticism for his handling of the scandal, saying that he doesn't "agree with him getting all the heat." Fiers在轉到Tigers之前是2017太鼓人冠軍陣容之一，現在他是綠帽人。Ortiz現為紅襪GM 特助，同時也是Fox台轉播的播報員。他接著解釋他認為Manfred主席為了此案的處理方式受到過多批評，並稱他不同意話題只追著主席打。 "To be honest with you, I've been watching the whole thing and the commissioner has been getting so much heat like it was him that made that mistake," Ortiz said. "I don't agree with him getting all the heat and the reality is that not one player came through and was like, 'Hey, it was me that started this up.' Everyone is passing the ball like when you're playing basketball. All the commissioner can do is have the team investigate what is going on and do what he knows how to do." “跟你講老實話啦，整件事我看到現在，主席被罵成這樣，好像作弊是他的錯一樣”老爹說。”我不認為大家應該只怪他，實際情況是沒人有膽出來說整件事是他起頭的。每個人都像打籃球一樣在那邊傳炸彈。主席能做的只有叫球隊調查，還有...”最後一句好像沒意義 Ortiz continued his defense of Manfred's handling of the scandal, saying that people are criticizing him like he was directly involved in the sign-stealing scheme. Ortiz接著為Manfred處理醜聞的手法辯護，說他被罵得好像作弊他也有份一樣。 "The commissioner Manfred has been legit since day one and I don't think it's fair for everyone pitching him questions and blaming him on things," Ortiz said. "We all know that he has the power to suspend people and make decisions, but it's only until a certain point. After that, he had no control whatever happened in the investigation. I saw an interview that he did the other day. I feel bad for him because people are asking him questions like he was the person who started this s--- up. Like I see players trying to talk about what he needs to do. He don't tell you how to hit or how to pitch, so let him do his job. He's going to do what is best for the game. He's not the type of guy who's going to accept you screwing things up in the game and tell you where to go. People need to chillax. People need to let him do his job. People need to let him do what he thinks is better for the game and everything else. Stop putting him on the spot and telling him what to do. That's what I think." “Manfred主席從頭到尾都坦坦蕩蕩，我不覺得大家什麼都叫他解釋、什麼都怪他是公平的。我們都知道他有權做主、把人停職，但是那得等到相當程度（應該指調查進度）。他無法控制調查過程中發生的事。我看他那天的訪談感到難過，因為那些人問他問題問得好像他是始作俑者一樣。他沒有跟你講過球要怎麼打、要怎麼投，所以不要對他指手畫腳的。他會做出對整個球界最好的處置。”以下內容一樣在重複，所以省略翻譯。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 72.69.49.139 (美國) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/MLB/M.1582236057.A.F3C.html ※ 編輯: broken543 (166.171.186.9 美國), 02/21/2020 06:25:50

推 abc12812: 如果沒收冠軍 Fiers的戒指能保留嗎?02/21 06:32

→ SinShih: ortiz和同鄉martinez口徑一致但我不認同他們的看法02/21 06:41

※ 編輯: broken543 (166.171.186.16 美國), 02/21/2020 07:05:42

噓 KEDEN: 抱歉這個言論各人沒辦法接受 02/21 07:02

噓 BlitzX: Ortiz自己就是個屁孩02/21 07:07

噓 alcard22: 這護航說法真有夠弱的 02/21 07:09

噓 gustavvv: 護航主席 02/21 07:11

推 Valter: 我知道老爹人緣很好但這次不太能認同 02/21 07:13

噓 tfrence: 這個護航我不行02/21 07:15

→ keltt: 這次我不認同老爹 02/21 07:20

噓 Aaronko: **相惜02/21 07:24

噓 mmchen: 老爹是怕紅襪被查出什麼嗎？02/21 07:26

噓 Edison1174: 很多人也在懷疑紅襪喔 02/21 07:27

噓 conerwind: 完全不認同 02/21 07:31

噓 raygod: LOL 02/21 07:32

噓 porten812: 藥蟲給我閉嘴 02/21 07:33

噓 GaryMatthews: 老爹一世英明講這種話 02/21 07:36

噓 mrlucas8891: 老爹還是繼續去毒奶世界大賽吧別護航了= =02/21 07:38

噓 leonini: ??02/21 07:40

噓 tomho1202: what did you just say?02/21 07:40

推 timmyen: #最高道德標準02/21 07:41

噓 mkopin: 爛02/21 07:41

→ chaolin: 對爆料者拳拳到肉對作斃者輕輕放下... 02/21 07:43

噓 hydreigon: 坦蕩蕩還禁評? 老爹這次真的不OK 02/21 07:45

噓 a382: 大怕皮是在工三小02/21 07:47

噓 appshjkli: 不意外 02/21 07:48

推 Roshiel: 前面勉強還能認同，17整年都沒球員良心發現嗎？02/21 07:49

→ Roshiel: 後面護航主席整個黑人問號 02/21 07:49

噓 ennakura: 原來是被主席救過全家 02/21 07:50

噓 kk2025: 吹哨者的處境會艱難有部分就是這種人害的 02/21 07:52

噓 sustainer123: 藥爹智商不意外02/21 07:58

推 a1234c: 解決找出問題的人 02/21 08:00

噓 kenkenken31: 難得賭爛Ortiz的看法02/21 08:00

噓 littlebonnie: 打鼓打藥打槍打好打滿果然是不會守備的裝熟尼哥02/21 08:08

→ littlebonnie: Kenken居然支持過打藥的原來是也是姑息吃藥雙標仔 02/21 08:09

噓 spppeter: 好笑，檢討吹哨者，噁心 02/21 08:10

噓 Gilbertsky: 罵成這樣真的好笑那剩下不講的自殺? 說謊的五馬分屍? 02/21 08:14

→ Gilbertsky: 為何這麼晚才爆出來因為其他人更爛阿檢討相對好的人 02/21 08:16

噓 bond30422: ****** 02/21 08:16

噓 chopinlee: 揭發時間點見仁見智，但有弊是事實，不應檢討吹哨者02/21 08:20

噓 tedandjolin: 美國待這麼久了還是跟落後國家出身的一樣思維02/21 08:21

推 nsx: 前面認同，但後面主席那段很糟，當主席這就是主席該面對的02/21 08:21

→ nsx: 說明一下，認同的是太空人該有人跳出來揭發02/21 08:22

噓 ahuahala: 三小，這時候講這種屁話他腦子還好嗎02/21 08:23

噓 ck2oliver5: 哈哈哈可憐吶 02/21 08:26

噓 flexin: 這不是被捧上天的可撥仔嗎？呵呵 02/21 08:27

噓 ddeny0324tw: 解決提出問題的人??02/21 08:30

噓 shashayou: 哈哈哈噓一下 02/21 08:32

→ calbert: 如果換成老爹當時在太空人，他敢爆料嗎02/21 08:34

推 Sechslee: 這個問題應該問被作弊會生氣的阿偷伯啊都很生氣了怎麼 02/21 08:36

→ Sechslee: 還乖乖繼續打不出聲呢? 02/21 08:37

噓 kingcharlie: 看他之前待哪隊就可以略知一二了 02/21 08:39

噓 wei717: 先跪舔主席這樣之後被查出來也可以比照辦理輕輕放下?02/21 08:42

噓 uuss: 火已經要燒到紅襪了，他在警告不要繼續出現吹哨者嗎 02/21 08:48

→ soilstone: 如果隊上那麼多人作弊，應該沒有人敢在還沒離開球隊時02/21 08:49

→ soilstone: 就爆料，而事實上也是如此啊。我不太相信Ortiz敢 XD02/21 08:49

推 c871111116: 他前面那段還好吧批評的點還算有理 02/21 08:53

→ c871111116: 後面幫Manfred講話不太認同就是了 02/21 08:54

噓 yrt3168: 所以老爹怎不嗆一下17年到現在還在太空人的球員? 02/21 08:55

噓 t340081231: 紅襪的不意外☺ 02/21 09:03

→ DavidFoster: 老爹還真想當反指標 02/21 09:09

噓 hakk: 哈,這等水準02/21 09:17

噓 o80372: 供三小？02/21 09:21

推 TsukimiyaAyu: 老爺看起來是知道什麼了紅襪應該要爆了02/21 09:23

噓 aborwang: 講啥02/21 09:26

噓 corlos: yeah02/21 09:33

噓 yeng1217: 共三小 02/21 09:38

噓 yankees733: 還敢護航作弊仔 02/21 09:39

噓 s870098123: ...........這言論02/21 09:40

→ birdy590: 他是投手要參與什麼? 02/21 09:40

→ ken720331: 無聊02/21 09:48

噓 ging1995: 失望... 02/21 09:50

推 zerosaint: 老爹這水準不行 02/21 09:50

推 Timekeeper: 噓文的是第一次認識Ortiz嗎？他本來就這種咖啊 02/21 09:51

噓 boybread: 尼哥一個02/21 09:51

噓 JackSmith: 他之前幫Cora說話就覺得有點怪怪的了 02/21 09:53

噓 Rayshief: 老爹晚節不保，名人堂恐不保02/21 09:55

推 Timekeeper: 晚節不保...？他球員時代人品就這樣了啊==02/21 09:56

→ es9114ian: 某u跟某s兩襪迷呢？ 02/21 10:03

→ es9114ian: 不是很愛出來秀 02/21 10:03

噓 jackwula9211: 這次不行 02/21 10:04

噓 kimula9: 噁心！ 02/21 10:05

噓 TZephyr: 不爽就打爛電話，這咖水準就是這樣 02/21 10:06

噓 mark74531: 呵呵作弊者的思維02/21 10:10

噓 dragon50119: 講這鬼話比太鼓人還噁心02/21 10:10

噓 chaobii: 這種邏輯難怪被人___，可惜打錯地方了02/21 10:12

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噓 vance1024: 現在說這話是要讓火燒更旺嗎02/21 10:21

噓 wx190: ok 跟某國很像處理不了問題我們就解決提出問題的人 02/21 10:32

噓 a2156700: 中國歡迎你 02/21 10:43

噓 a2156700: 鼓襪一家親02/21 10:45

噓 AZBTPATONY: 笑死嘔嘔嘔 02/21 10:45

噓 jones210272: 紅襪也嘔嘔嘔嘔嘔嘔嘔嘔02/21 10:49

→ jones210272: 作弊一家親 02/21 10:49

→ zzs123344: 鼓襪一家親 02/21 10:50

噓 yaisu: 當你寄人籬下最好是你當下敢講啦太嘴 02/21 10:54

→ broken543: 第一次發文發到有這麼多噓，小弟與有榮焉02/21 10:58

噓 ethel7669: 好弱的護航唷藥爹 02/21 11:00

噓 littlebonnie: Ort*z 那一根打藥打到看不見了02/21 11:00

→ ethel7669: Mike Fiers是英雄因為他是第一個跳出來講出事實的人02/21 11:02

→ ethel7669: 你自己做了什麼虧心事惹到黑道要你死還沒講清楚咧 02/21 11:03

噓 Zhang274: 隱瞞不說才是問題吧 @@ 02/21 11:14

噓 BMW740Li: 這邏輯完全不行 02/21 11:30

推 ca1123: 不是有多支球隊向大聯盟檢舉太空人嗎，主席當然有事呀 02/21 11:32

噓 chiahunl: 老爹，令人失望 02/21 11:32

噓 thb96300: A肉>>>老爹02/21 11:41

噓 trickart: 噁心02/21 11:43

噓 tovshang: 啥邏輯02/21 11:49

推 Scherzer31: 老爹氣到將台語02/21 11:59

噓 gt12345: 吃藥仔哈哈02/21 12:03

推 Redchain: 事後講的「投手」被老爹檢討為何不當下講，那從不講，被 02/21 12:04

噓 kamihio: 莫非襪襪也 02/21 12:04

→ Redchain: 查到還在辯的「打者」呢？那麼捧主席的懶，是在維護紅襪02/21 12:04

→ Redchain: 還是要在聯盟找工作？ 02/21 12:04

噓 cpujerry: 紅襪呵呵呵呵呵02/21 12:09

噓 mecheers: 晚節不保 02/21 12:12

噓 Grammy: 紅襪笨藪當初沒被一槍打死現在來講幹話 02/21 12:12

推 visda: 襪襪不ey 02/21 12:15

→ raygod: 也是啦 Ortiz是2003名單的受害者當然不爽料耙子02/21 12:22

推 mygoing: 前面跟老爹想的一樣為什麼17年他知情的當下不出來講(或 02/21 12:26

→ mygoing: 許怕在團體中無法生存) 但為什麼18年也不講02/21 12:27

推 ethel7669: 幫襪襪打預防針耶頗呵02/21 12:27

噓 MindWork: 真的晚節不保 02/21 12:28

→ alcard22: 這麼大的事情多猶豫一陣子才決定說也沒什麼好不正常的 02/21 12:42

→ alcard22: 很多人對吹哨者的要求標準很奇怪，好像自己沒在群體生 02/21 12:45

→ alcard22: 活過一樣。而且這件事情有不只一支球隊跟聯盟反應過， 02/21 12:45

→ alcard22: 不去質疑聯盟沒有動作，反過來質疑吹哨者？ 02/21 12:45

噓 persefone: 用最高標準檢視Fiers 但卻沒用這標準檢視主席02/21 12:49

→ percy90723: 尼哥文化本來就是不能接受告密者阿==02/21 12:53

噓 rayisgreat: 呵呵02/21 12:57

噓 Jinx: ???????????02/21 12:58

噓 idtvgame: 我才不信有多少人敢在團體裡面就吹哨檢討別人很會02/21 12:59

→ EvilCerberus: 搞不好老爹被bangbang就是因為有人去告密害的啊！沒 02/21 13:06

→ EvilCerberus: 說清楚誰知道？ 02/21 13:06

噓 lordi: 脖子粗成這樣，呵呵02/21 13:11

噓 edhuang: 這些人在幹譙Fiers之前有先砲轟死不認錯的作弊仔嗎 02/21 13:15

→ edhuang: 沒有的話根本是非不分啊笑死02/21 13:17

噓 decorum: 作弊症感染嚴重要先打疫苗喔 02/21 13:18

噓 SaLion: 襪迷覺得不行 02/21 13:22

噓 ganhua: 老爹這次說法不行 02/21 13:23

噓 NotLikeThis: OMEGALUL R T I Z02/21 13:32

→ ylrafale: 有些人已經太放肆了喔。 02/21 13:37

噓 Martie: 已經變成主席的形狀了02/21 13:39

噓 SpursTony09: 摁摁紅襪02/21 13:41

→ wei717: 他這樣講就在打預防針了紅襪大概也難逃了 02/21 14:00

噓 Tyrone: 沒想到我會噓老爹，還有什麼令人失望的言論一起來吧 02/21 14:03

噓 survivalteru: 可以下去了 02/21 14:27

噓 Bartleby: 子彈是打到身體還是打到腦講這啥低能的話 02/21 14:33

噓 pttOwO: 這篇有機會挑戰XX 02/21 14:36

噓 xyzzz: 要警告紅襪的不要出現吹哨者啦～顆顆02/21 14:43

噓 sunnydragon7: 還沒跟媒體爆料前，綠帽高層早跟聯盟檢舉了…沒下02/21 14:44

噓 spencers: 低能只要是事實告密就沒問題02/21 14:44

→ sunnydragon7: 文02/21 14:44

噓 realmd: 老爹也懂解決提出問題的人02/21 14:44

噓 spencers: 還有當然是已擺脫那環境再告密才是上策 02/21 14:48

推 Timekeeper: 大家冷靜新☆板皇開示他要開鍘了 02/21 14:48

→ ylrafale: 是Timekeeper版友呢，沒等到您出來參選讓我覺得好可惜喔02/21 15:19

噓 jeter8695: 先檢討吹哨者啊藥仔 02/21 15:23

推 Timekeeper: 對啊你身為前板主CD的親友團，選上了我也覺得很惋惜02/21 15:35

噓 benkao85: 坐等紅襪被調查的結果 02/21 15:37

推 starchiang: 作弊的沒被處罰，吹哨的被死亡威脅，歡迎來到現實世 02/21 15:47

→ starchiang: 界 02/21 15:48

推 TameFoxx: 標題殺人吧他意思是如果真的這麼有正義感當初就該講02/21 16:00

推 n61208: 標題殺人+1 02/21 16:04

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噓 joe0726: 不管怎樣檢討吹哨者>檢討作弊者還是很奇怪啊02/21 16:22

噓 joe0726: 我是認為老爹邏輯不會這麼差也不至於與現實脫節成這樣 02/21 16:23

→ joe0726: 所以剩下只有一種可能帶風向不然紅襪之後搞不好... 02/21 16:24

→ godchildtw: 解決問題，就是把提出問題的人解決掉 02/21 17:09

→ roka: 怎麼不護航一下獎盃不過是片金屬這樁？ 02/21 17:15

→ roka: 換了位子果然腦袋就不一樣了呢。 02/21 17:15

→ yeng1217: 把紅襪以前的獎盃拿出來說只是片金屬我就信了02/21 17:16

噓 Xenogamer: 標題超譯02/21 17:22

推 Datow: 他原文都說了"So you look like you're a snitch"02/21 17:43

→ Datow: 原標題也這樣寫翻ji軿-p嵾悧雀W譯02/21 17:46

噓 mtyk10100: 老爹晚節不保02/21 17:53

噓 tupacshkur: 老爹滾喇！ 02/21 17:55

噓 willywasd: 沒有Fiers 現在太空人還是繼續偷 02/21 18:00

噓 MedEngineer: 噁心無法認同完全對老爹失望02/21 18:10

噓 george221408: 他贊同曼佛地魔處理？ 02/21 18:15

噓 CKluber: 老爹母湯喔02/21 18:19

噓 leowwe: 這發言不行... 02/21 18:28

噓 ennakura: 老爹是在幫自己進聯盟工作鋪路辣 02/21 18:35

噓 ganhua: 護航曼佛地魔就給噓 02/21 18:45

推 micotosai: 図星☆02/21 18:56

噓 chaobii: 今年回國要多注意噢 02/21 18:59

噓 nonsence31: 噓一個會這樣氣噗噗是有鬼嗎02/21 19:39

→ Miyanishi25: 噁心跟Dwyane Wade一樣02/21 19:59

噓 shadowshaikh: 晚節不保的爹 02/21 20:18

噓 nomo1616: 護航主席是怎樣，就真的超爛 02/21 20:49

噓 howie00215: 滾 02/21 21:46

噓 ganhua: 噁心 02/21 22:29

噓 jimmich19: 尼哥不意外 02/21 22:57

噓 greenpeace21: 下去02/21 23:05

噓 Beantownfan: 令人失望的發言02/21 23:19

噓 Cueto: 反指標02/22 00:53

噓 pejawade: 作弊仔很怕冠軍被沒收齁02/22 05:31

噓 Kobelephants: 毒癮又發了嗎02/22 08:31

噓 gondou: 人家是爪耙子那你是槍靶子 02/22 09:42

噓 edhuang: 其實說真的也不一定跟邏輯有關 02/22 11:39

→ edhuang: 就是刻意從某個角度講合理化自己的言論02/22 11:39

生平第一次被噓爆，紀念一下 ※ 編輯: broken543 (72.229.5.71 美國), 02/22/2020 12:20:20

噓 mathrew: 尼哥意外嗎 02/22 19:09

→ SuperBMW: 鼓襪一家親，共園中國夢 02/22 22:53

噓 AaronWei1007: 紅襪哈哈哈哈哈 02/23 00:27

→ Datow: 在那邊尼*尼*的種族主義者也沒什麼臉檢討人作弊啦 02/23 04:37

→ Datow: 太鼓人作弊很爛不代表大家就要跟著沒格 02/23 04:38

推 howiejao: 老爹安內母湯喔 02/23 09:34

噓 Roshiel: 幫噓爆 02/23 09:35

推 simple721: 事實就是Fiers在當下也動貪念阿 02/23 10:05

噓 youngluke: 幫你紀念 02/23 15:13

噓 pigger0527: 老爹不意外 02/23 16:07

噓 alcard22: 還有人想幫太空人開脫，可憐 02/23 17:46

噓 lordi: 死黑肥不意外，這咖只有紅襪迷會狂捧 02/25 11:32

噓 tbbyan: 檢討吹哨者...智商有慮 02/26 21:05