[閒聊] 謙卑X蛋白石光輝X迷醉傍晚

[ayuperfect (純黑控)]

→ kirimaru73: Q: 場上有謙卑和蛋白石光輝，如果我施放迷醉傍晚.....
→ kirimaru73: A: 住手。
推 shadowblade: 應該還是照分類層跟時間印記來解吧...
→ shadowblade: 這類問題我只記得三個原則,但不確定是否所有都能解
→ shadowblade: 1. 分類層拆開看,越上面的不會被下面的蓋過
→ shadowblade:    (例如暴潮海怪被變青蛙,所有地仍然有海島類別)
→ shadowblade: 2. 同分類層的看時間印記,越後面的會蓋過前面的
→ shadowblade:    (例如神跟蛋白石光輝的互動)
→ shadowblade: 3. 同分類層的效應有從屬關係時以帶頭的為準
→ shadowblade:    (例如腥紅之月跟烏爾博格的互動)
來看一下官方的正解:

蛋白石光輝:
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=opalescence

Rulings

10/4/2004       Does not animate itself. But can be animated by another
Opalescence.

2/1/2006        With a Humility and two Opalescences on the battlefield, if
Humility has the latest timestamp, then all creatures are 1/1 with no
abilities. If the timestamp order is Opalescence, Humility, Opalescence, the
second Opalescence is 1/1, and the Humility and first Opalescence are 4/4.
 If Humility has the earliest timestamp, then everything is 4/4.

8/1/2008        A noncreature permanent that turns into a creature can
attack, and its {T} abilities can be activated, only if its controller has
continuously controlled that permanent since the beginning of his or her most
recent turn.
It doesn't matter how long the permanent has been a creature.

10/1/2009       This is the current interaction between Humility and
Opalescence:
The type-changing effect applies at layer 4, but the rest happens in the
applicable layers.  The rest of it will apply even if the permanent loses its
ability before it's finished applying. So if Opalescence, Humility, and
Worship are on the battlefield and Opalescence entered the battlefield before
Humility, the following is true: Layer 4: Humility and Worship each become
creatures that are still enchantments. (Opalescence). Layer 6: Humility and
Worship each lose their abilities. (Humility) Layer 7b: Humility becomes 4/4
and Worship becomes 4/4. (Opalescence).  Humility becomes 1/1 and Worship
becomes 1/1 (Humility). But if Humility entered the battlefield before
Opalescence, the following is true: Layer 4: Humility and Worship each become
creatures that are still enchantments (Opalescence). Layer 6:  Humility and
Worship each lose their abilities (Humility). Layer 7b: Humility becomes 1/1
and Worship becomes 1/1 (Humility).  Humility becomes 4/4 and Worship becomes
4/4 (Opalescence).


謙卑:

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=397614

 Rulings

2/1/2006        With a Humility and two Opalescences on the battlefield, if
Humility has the latest timestamp, then all creatures are 1/1 with no
abilities. If the timestamp order is Opalescence, Humility, Opalescence, the
second Opalescence is 1/1, and the Humility and first Opalescence are 4/4.
 If Humility has the earliest timestamp, then everything is 4/4.

2/1/2007        Removes all creature abilities. This includes mana abilities.
Animated lands will also lose the ability to tap for mana.

10/1/2009       This is the current interaction between Humility and Opalescence:
The type-changing effect applies at layer 4, but the rest happens in the
applicable layers.  The rest of it will apply even if the permanent loses its
ability before it's finished applying. So if Opalescence, Humility, and
Worship are on the battlefield and Opalescence entered the battlefield before
Humility, the following is true: Layer 4: Humility and Worship each become
creatures that are still enchantments. (Opalescence). Layer 6: Humility and
Worship each lose their abilities. (Humility) Layer 7b: Humility becomes 4/4
and Worship becomes 4/4. (Opalescence).  Humility becomes 1/1 and Worship
becomes 1/1 (Humility). But if Humility entered the battlefield before
Opalescence, the following is true: Layer 4: Humility and Worship each become
creatures that are still enchantments (Opalescence). Layer 6:  Humility and
Worship each lose their abilities (Humility). Layer 7b: Humility becomes 1/1
and Worship becomes 1/1 (Humility).  Humility becomes 4/4 and Worship becomes
4/4 (Opalescence).

10/1/2009       You apply power/toughness changing effects in a series of
sublayers in the following order: (a) effects from characteristic-defining
abilities; (b) effects that set power and/or toughness to a specific number
or value; (c) effects that modify power and/or toughness but don't set power
and/or toughness to a specific number or value; (d) changes from counters;
(e) effects that switch a creature's power and toughness. This card's effect
is always applied in (b), which means that effects applied in sublayer (c),
(d), or (e) will not be overwritten; they will be applied to the new value.

翻譯﹕










































誰同時打這兩張就拖去廁所爹阿魯 (爆





→ shadowblade: 結論: 裁判不夠了我去添購一下(誤
最需要的時候﹐裁判就跟jump一樣買不到啊~

→ shadowblade: 題外話,把規則書全看過一遍的玩家到底有沒有到一成阿
→ shadowblade: 我是覺得可能只有5%不到 (我也沒翻完過)
規則書
Artifact





Tap: Exile you to 龍宮。 At the beginning of 100 years later, return you
to the battlefield。



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※ 編輯: ayuperfect (73.15.29.57), 04/22/2015 08:27:09
→ SCLPAL: 看不懂啦=w=
→ SCLPAL: 裁判:出去 現在
推 shadowblade: 等meeting結束再來詳細看要怎麼處理...
推 hfclub: 住手！
推 isera621: 住手!> <_