[專欄] 2K19看不到Barkley和R.Miller的原因

[cuteboy70 (我要的意義)]

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Why You (Probably) Will Not See Charles Barkley and Reggie Miller in NBA 2K19

看了這篇文章覺得挺有趣

還有介紹NBA遊戲發展的一些歷程

跟大家分享 以下無逐句翻譯 僅簡單挑重點

翻譯如有問題請指教

The NBA 2K franchise prides itself on realism—so much so, that it markets
itself more as a basketball simulator than a video game. But the NBA is
defined by its personalities—athletes who love to play the hero or play the
villain. Charles Barkley and Reggie Miller fall into the latter group; they
were outsized antagonists in an outsized sports league. And because of this,
their 'here again, gone again' appearances in NBA 2K have become glaring.

老巴和神米無疑是NBA中最著名的反派角色

因此他們在NBA 2K時而出現 時而消失就顯得引人注目

Will Reggie Miller or Charles Barkley be in NBA 2K19? We reached out for
confirmation, and Barkley's camp had no comment. Miller's camp didn't
respond. 2K Games demurred, stating they weren't ready to announce classic
lineups or commentary teams for the upcoming game, due out September 11.

老巴和神米會出現在2k19中嗎?老巴不予置評 神米沒有回應

2K團隊則表示他們還沒準備好何時宣布2K19中的經典陣容或傳奇隊伍

We'll know soon enough, but don't hold your breath. Miller hasn't been
playable in the NBA 2K franchise since 2K5 (2004). In NBA 2K18 (2017), he was
absent from the All-Time Pacers team. His '99-'00 Pacers team, which went to
the NBA Finals, wasn't a selectable classic lineup. And despite being a TNT
commentator, The Knick-Killer's voice was nowhere to be heard in-game.

我們很快就會知道 但別太驚訝

早從2K5之後 玩家就已經無法選擇神米了 2K18中他也沒有在All-Time Pacers team中

玩家也無法選擇99-00那隻闖進總冠軍戰的溜馬隊

雖然神米是TNT評論員 但遊戲中聽不到這位尼克殺手的聲音

Barkley was playable in 2K13 and 2K17 as a member of the 1992 Dream Team. But
in 2K18, he was absent from the All Time Suns team, and there are no Suns
classic lineups from his era. Sir Charles' absence on commentary is even more
glaring than Miller's; the other three hosts of Inside the NBA—Ernie
Johnson, Shaquille O'Neal, and Kenny Smith—run the pregame and postgame
shows without him.

在2K13和2K17中可以在92年夢幻一隊中找到老巴

但在2K18中他沒有出現在All Time Suns team中 也沒有他那時代的太陽隊經典陣容

The first NBA-licensed basketball game, NBA Basketball (1980) had no team
names and no player names. But starting in the mid-'80s, developers licensed
the biggest stars, which led to single/dual player-featured games like One on
One: Dr. J vs. Larry Bird (1983), Jordan vs. Bird: One on One (1988) and
Magic Johnson's Fast Break (1988).

第一個NBA授權的遊戲NBA Basketball (1980)中沒有隊伍和選手的名字

到了80年代中期 遊戲廠商獲得巨星的授權

得以推出一些一對一的遊戲 如J博士v.s大鳥 老喬V.S大鳥 魔術的快攻等

Developers made a leap with Lakers versus Celtics and the NBA Playoffs
(1989), the first game to include multiple teams and multiple NBA stars such
as Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, and Larry Bird. These appearances were
negotiated individually, apart from the NBA Players Association (NBPA)—the
union that represents active NBA players.

1989年廠商推出Lakers versus Celtics and the NBA Playoffs 有了大幅的進展

這是第一個包括數隻隊伍和多位球星(如MJ 魔術和大鳥)的遊戲

值得注意的是他們得以在遊戲中出現是廠商透過與個別球員協商

而非透過NBPA(代表現役球員的機構)進行

Things got hairy when Midway released NBA Jam (1993) in the arcades. For the
first time, there was a glaringly notable holdout: Jordan. The greatest
active player in the NBA, who helped make flashy dunks and hangtime a
cultural phenomena, was somehow absent from the most notable game. Why?

當Midway在1993年推出NBA Jam時 情況變得更詭譎

因為當時NBA最偉大的球員 將灌籃和滯空能力變成一種藝術的Jordan

竟然不在這個最受矚目的遊戲裡面 為什麼?

Jordan, the most coveted player off the court, had opted out of the NBPA
licensing agreement to negotiate all his deals separately. And weeks before
NBA Jam debuted, Jordan pulled out of all NBA licensed products because they
conflicted with his Nike deal. There was nothing Midway could do to enforce
his commitment.

MJ選擇跳出NBPA 個別與廠商協商他的所有合約

就在NBA JAM發售的幾個星期前 由於和他與NIKE的合約有利益上的衝突

MJ選擇退出所有NBA授權的商品 因此Midway無法要求MJ

The '90s weren't completely void of Michael Jordan in video games, however.
He had his own video game, Michael Jordan: Chaos in the Windy City, a
side-scroller where you'd play as MJ and throw an assortment of
different-powered basketballs at skeletons and spiders.

For the next several years, developers used underhanded tactics to "sneak"
Jordan into the game, whether through cheat codes, or by designating a
shooting guard on the Bulls named "M. Guard" or "Roster Player," with no
corresponding picture and high offensive ratings. His Airness wouldn't permit
his likeness in a video game until 1999, with the release of NBA Live 2000.
Nowadays, Jordan is signed exclusively to 2K Sports, and he credited their
accuracy and attention to detail in a 2011 interview with ESPN:

儘管如此 90年代的遊戲並非完全沒有MJ的存在

他有他自己的遊戲Michael Jordan: Chaos in the Windy City

在這個卷軸遊戲中玩家將扮演MJ 丟擲具有不同威力的籃球來消滅骷髏頭和蜘蛛

接下來幾年 廠商用了一些策略

如修改程式碼或創造名為"M. Guard" or "Roster Player"的球員

想辦法讓MJ進入遊戲中(當然就沒有照片 進攻數值也無法很高)_

在1999年的NBA LIVE2000發售前 MJ的照片是無法出現在遊戲中的

現在MJ完全專屬於2K 他相當肯定2K的精確與對細節的注意

The only other notable omissions from NBA Jam were Barkley and Shaquille
O'Neal, who were available to play on the arcade versions, but were removed
from the Tournament Edition home console versions This was likely due to
legal conflict. Barkley was starring in a bizarre RPG game called Barkley
Shut Up and Jam! (1993), and Shaq was starring in a game called Shaq Fu
(1994), which was as terrible as it sounds. Miller, lacking the notoriety of
either man, never had a game conflict—he appeared in all versions of NBA Jam.

NBA JAM中另外兩個消失的球員是老巴和歐肥

這是因為老巴有自己的rpg遊戲 BarkleyShut Up and Jam! (1993)

歐肥也有Shaq Fu(1994)

神米沒這兩個來得惡名昭彰 沒有遊戲的衝突 因此在各版的NBA JAM中都有他

The NBPA represents active players, and it is probably not a coincidence that
both Miller and Barkley's video game appearances petered out after their
retirements. Miller's last home console appearance was in NBA 2K5 (2004); he
retired at the end of the 2004-2005 NBA season. And prior to his Dream Team
appearances, Barkley's last home console appearance was in NBA 2K1 (2000) as
a member of the 80's East team; he retired at the end of the 1999-2000 NBA
season.

Barkley's unexpected appearances in 2K13 and 2K17 only occurred due to
JAY-Z's intervention. Hov was an executive producer of 2K13, and according to
a Game Informer interview with senior producer Rob Jones from 2012, he would
not stand for Barkley's absence:

NBPA代表現役球員 因此神米和老巴在退休後就不在出現於遊戲中也許不是巧合

神米最後一次出現是2004年的2K5 04-05球季後就退休了

老巴最後一次出現是在2000年的2K1(之後2K13 2K17出現在夢幻隊這兩次如不算的話)

99-00球季後老巴退休

之後老巴會在2K13和2K17中意外出現 是因為JAY-Z的介入

JAY-Z got on the phone with Barkley, and talked him into making an
appearance. Because under its current agreement with the NBPA, 2K only has
the rights to use the likenesses of active players who are under the union's
licensing agreement. For retired players, 2K must either get permission from
the NBA Retired Players' Association, or many times, in the case of bigger
stars like Barkley and Miller, from the players themselves.

JAY-Z打了電話給老巴說服他能在遊戲中出現

根據2K和NBPA的協議 他們只有使用現役球員照片的權利

對於退休球員 就必須獲得退休球員工會的授權

而對於老巴和神米這種巨星 更必須獲得他們親自同意授權

If Miller has a motivation for saying no, he's never said so publicly.
Barkley, however, has been more outspoken about his reasons. He stated to
Bleacher Report’s Howard Beck that he wants 2K to donate money to the NBA
Retired Players Association in exchange for his commentator participation. He
reiterated this claim on Inside the NBA and on the Bickley and Marotta Friday
radio show in 2017, this time with more specificity. He wants there to be an
annual donation:

神米至今從未公開說過為何他不願意授權

老巴對他的理由則直言不諱

他說他希望2K能捐錢給退休球員工會來換得他的加入

他在Inside the NBA和Bickley and Marotta Friday radio show節目中都再三強調過

這次更直接希望他們能夠有每年定期的捐獻

"What I think would be fair is, if they gave a million dollars—and I’d even
let them keep the tax write-off—if they gave a million dollars a year to the
retired players association that went to a good cause—health plans or
something like that or just gave them money to help them get on their feet, I
’d let them use my likeness in a heartbeat."

老巴說:只要2K每年捐一百萬美元給退休球員工會

讓工會可以運用錢做些好事 如健康計劃之類的 或是幫助工會的發展

就可以得到我的肖像權惹

Unless JAY-Z or someone equally famous individual wants to convince Sir
Charles otherwise, the ball, metaphorically, is in 2K's court. And through it
all, there's an irony here. In a weird, counterintuitive manner, Miller and
Barkley are in the game because you can't stop thinking about their absence.
And at least in Barkley's case, that appears to be the point.

現況就是除非JAY-Z或其他名人願意出面說服老巴

否則就只能看2K願不願意接受老巴的提議了

但諷刺的是

因為玩家都會一直注意到老巴和神米在遊戲中的缺席

從另一個角度看 他們已經是在遊戲中了

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推 hanktsai1   : 好文，推
推 xerophil    : "It's in the game"
推 a1684114    : 這種2K文就能讓人接受 推
推 Koch        : 推
推 crazyshit   : 對小時候玩NBA遊戲裡Jordan叫Player的印象很深
推 wanted66    : 推推推
推 PKming      : 支持使用者付費 QQ
推 efbnm753    : jay-z:給我個面子
→ Hohenzollern: 記得NBA Live 2000的1990年代明星隊還有喬丹
→ Hohenzollern: 是NBA Live 2001才沒有他
推 qq999       : 其實玩家都能自己製作名單跟人物，數值跟面補也蠻
→ qq999       : 像的，其實沒差
推 gg8n8nd34ss : 推
推 mask82      : 玩LIVE98,當時還以為不出MJ是怕公牛太強
→ Hohenzollern: 不過我懶得去翻PS1遊戲光碟用PS2確認了
推 dannyzzz    : MJ都授權了,兩個沒戒指的也不知道在耍什麼大牌
推 literchance : 2K最猛的是對於潛力球員的個別數值
推 draft117024 : 推
推 Atima       : 我推老巴 而且他是要求捐錢給工會
→ mask82      : 我印象中98也沒有MJ,99沒玩過,01好像就有了
→ mask82      : 01沒有經典球隊,記得只能在1vs1用一些神獸
推 literchance : 這其實就不只是遊戲，而是退休球員的授權與經紀考量
推 loveinmars  : 這個推老巴
→ mask82      : 然後我的98是用PC玩的不知道跟PS有沒有不一樣
→ Hohenzollern: 早年NBA Live只選有歐肥的球隊 只要你掌握住他的手
→ Hohenzollern: 感 中距離外線都能穩定進球
推 numoon      : 好文推推
→ mask82      : 我當時是用神米,我哥用老史互飆三分
→ Hohenzollern: Live 98應該還有喬丹 因為他該季現役球員
推 disgusting  : 好文給推 反觀
推 kaede0711   : 現在玩家自製很多時候選秀結束都能第一時間玩到新秀
→ kaede0711   : ，臉用複製照片的貼圖大部分也比遊戲公司自己做的像
→ Hohenzollern: 對了!Live 2001打金手指喬丹就有在90年代明星隊
推 stocktonty  : LIVE98還99的國王隊韋伯強得跟鬼一樣
→ mask82      : 我剛剛去查一下98真的沒有MJ,是89號的player
推 a90102x123  : Number 99
→ mask82      : 然後99的MJ變99號的player
→ mask82      : 原來我是玩過98 99,沒玩過00啊 0.0
推 ievolnds    : 2K不願幫助退役球員其實真的滿沒品 吃人夠夠
→ mask82      :  https://youtu.be/kD45DLkq8Z4 當時這片頭印象超深
推 ma19987     : 老巴在2k很難用
推 hssz        : 老巴是第一代字母哥啊，擋不住的面筐切
推 simon0529   : PC版沒差，有面補Roster編輯就好了，有差的是家機
推 ievolnds    : 家機也有網友幫忙做吧
推 cshu0520    : 推好文 也推老巴
噓 myeason     : 高調一下 活塞隊也沒有怒吼天尊 還有我自己創
→ R3210       : 放在台灣就會一堆魯蛇抗議說退休老人沒工作哪有資格
→ R3210       : 組工會
→ LinEricX    : Miller以前有授權給Live過
→ calmdownplz : 面補這些都不是問題，問題是聽記者、球評講評的時候
→ calmdownplz : ，沒有聽到Jordan、Barkley的名字出現，很解嗨
推 rasheedchiu : 現在技術發達 2K18就已經有19新秀patch了 都超像
→ rasheedchiu : 是說老巴跟小蟲遊戲都超難用 太矮
→ mask82      : 小蟲很跳,蠻好用的
推 Kulan       :
→ hunt5566    : 0冠沒沒人想用 過慾
推 LCHLCAP15   : 老大也是同樣原因嗎，為何都沒有二連霸湖人
推 bmw1357     : kobe一直在 應該是bynum的問題？
推 SledgeHammer: 玩過Live 97的假MJ，名字就是player，背號還是24號
→ seemoon2000 : 我對假MJ也有印象 能力值很高 但是名字像是假人
推 ac197       : NBA JAM曾經用神米拿下101分 3分進33球
推 astro1217   : 老巴很有骨氣
噓 JoelEmbiid21: 兩個零冠xx還這麼囂張
推 cool10528   : 記得以前玩live97有MJ
推 darkdixen   : 老巴很有骨氣啊 他說只要每年捐一百萬美金給退休球
→ darkdixen   : 員公會 他馬上授權 而且能抵稅
推 deanisme    : 沒差 玩家有喬丹姆斯就買單了 有沒有老巴對銷量沒
→ deanisme    : 什麼影響吧
推 langeo      : 2K賺這麼多還不願意捐錢 蠻沒品的
推 NightSoul   : 早期live系列，只要在創造球員那邊，輸入Jordan的名
→ NightSoul   : 字，就會跑出以他為模板的球員
→ NightSoul   : 一些7-80年代的退休球星也能用這個方法叫出來
噓 alex80327   : 2K現在獨大又搞一堆需要課金模式 還不捐
噓 f22313467   : 所以就是老巴毛最多啊 不然為什麼其他人願意給
推 fredvase    : Live01有喬丹 rating還最高 95
推 fredvase    : 但好像沒jabber
推 jack19931993: 不給就不給啊 又不是義務 還毛多勒
推 fredvase    : 更正Jabbar
噓 arthurLbj   : 退休球星賺那麼多不好好理財還要公司捐錢給它們，
→ arthurLbj   : 不捐也很正常吧
噓 Nuey        : 講的好像老巴欠錢一樣== 授權又不是義務 能賣錢的東
→ Nuey        : 西你會免費奉上？
→ mask82      : arthurLbj大是故意反串嗎? 這件事老巴很合理吧
推 js0431      : 推巴爵士
推 SIMPLEPLAN  : 優質好文 以前還覺得這個名字g開頭的怎麼這麼強
推 Cosmos0225  : 問個 為什麼2k12以前好像都沒有jordan阿
推 STRO        : 要不要給本來就個人自由啊==
推 NCCUWETSLIP : 2k 裡面沒有二連霸湖人真的超low 以前最愛的隊伍
推 garfield000 : 沒有人發現連rasheed都沒有嗎嗚嗚
→ jacky841224j: 其他人願意給那是遊戲公司賺到，用人家肖像權營利
→ jacky841224j: 給錢本來就合情合理，2K想“免費”拿人家知名度賺
→ jacky841224j: 自己的錢才可笑吧
推 kevinaa     : 這兩個不是一直都沒有嗎  之前玩過幾代
※ 編輯: cuteboy70 (118.171.185.33), 07/22/2018 14:40:49
推 sycc        : 推老巴 用人的肖像付費很合理
推 wayland     : 第一個玩的是nba96，好懷念roster player啊！
→ sonofgod    : 不是每個退休球星都賺... 薪資是1970後才開始高
※ 編輯: cuteboy70 (111.71.189.48), 07/22/2018 15:05:04
推 s85478      : 04活塞Rasheed缺席 2k17太陽隊沒Nash
推 stja        : push
推 recky04     : Nash記得發售後有補回來
→ leonightmare: 推
推 mathrew     : 2K 靠這些賺錢  給人家一點也不過份
推 carter7013  : 100萬美金換一張肖像?盤子才會幹
→ u9596g12    : 100萬美金 如果可以回收100萬以上效益呢
推 risk0717    : 在那邊嘴戒指的真的很可愛，呵呵
→ risk0717    : 就是你們這群人現在的價值觀才會是要抱團拿冠軍
→ risk0717    : 整體嘴戒指的人價值觀跟KD差不多啦
推 Justin0113  : 推 終於知道原因了
推 WiLLSTW     : 某人如果哪天出意外結果賺的錢全都在治療時用光窮困
→ WiLLSTW     : 潦倒那也是他沒好好理財活該
→ WiLLSTW     : 這文就很明白了老巴又不在意那點小錢  但不是每個退
→ WiLLSTW     : 休球員都可以有安穩的下半生
→ sonofgod    : 其實新玩家也不會想玩老人... 2K自己一定調查過
推 Toy17       : live系列記得以前玩過Kobe單挑紅色光頭
推 yz122534    : 一堆人觀念很差，肖像給你做遊戲又不是義務，不爽
→ yz122534    : 給還要被嘴大牌笑死
推 goury       : 這種商業版權戰爭沒什麼對錯，利益為主，不爽給人用
→ goury       : 是他的自由，遊戲公司不想付這筆費用也是遊戲公司的
→ goury       : 自由，玩家也有選擇是否買單(消費)的自由，沒有對錯
→ Hohenzollern: 老巴當球評的年薪還比不少總教練高 也不用扛戰績
→ Hohenzollern: 他只是想為那些退休不久就破產的人一些幫助
推 C00L        : miller不給就算了吧 不過記得古早nba hang time有他
推 yeustream   : 推老巴
→ C00L        : 應該只有鐵粉有差
→ C00L        : 然後2k都不太捐也是有點沒品 不是義務 但他賺多少錢
→ C00L        : 的公司…
推 leofalcon   : 2K有付肖像權費用給遊戲中使用的退休球員 過世的付
→ leofalcon   : 給誰不知道 有可能已經有付退休球員工會了
→ leofalcon   : 可能是覺得1個人的肖像權就要付1百萬美金太高吧
推 noway1126   : 推
→ leofalcon   : 其實只是要捐工會的話 可以把付他的錢轉捐給工會
→ leofalcon   : 破局應該就只是這筆錢不會高到1百萬...
推 kjm1104     : 老巴幫其他沒那麼大咖的退休球星爭取錢很合理阿
推 romeomonkey : 我比較疑惑的是記得之前都可以自創球隊然後再複製球
→ romeomonkey : 員到我這隊，現在好像變成只能換隊不能創球隊複製球
→ romeomonkey : 員來了 不知道為什麼
推 XD051       : 早期球員薪水很少，老巴希望可以多給他們一些照顧
→ ralphhoh2000: 2k 已經變課金糞了 還不願意出錢拿肖像
推 rs813011    : 我都直接找玩家自製的名單
推 apologize104: 我看我親戚小朋友2k都只玩宇宙勇