看板 NBA 關於我們 聯絡資訊
看到這個,原本以為06-07賽季修改後的規定 在聯盟知名高中生(ex:LBJ)都退休後再也不復見,但只能說有時時代的變化是難以預期的 以往反對高中生提早進來的論點,舉出幾點如下, 1.在大學可以學會團隊如何打球 2.直接進來NBA,因為選秀的球隊不一定提供高中生有足夠的機會或者培養方法不好,有可能被rush或者冷凍, 3.高中生太年輕,一些即使生活的瑣事可能都還無法處理,進而影響到比賽。對待比賽以及職業生涯的心態是否足夠成熟,也是疑問 4.對於體重的控制以及休賽季的自律是否足夠 5.不成熟的技術可能降低NBA的精彩程度 NBA總裁Adam Silver之前的態度是這樣 ----- 他能理解這些有天分的孩子們希望能盡快成為職業球員賺錢養家,不過站在聯盟的立場,他更希望看到球員們能大學中磨練成長,經過兩年後再加入NBA。 ----- 結果現在變成要消除原本設下的一些規範,但比較少提到之前會產生這些規範的原因,以及聯盟打算如何解決 畢竟原本的一些問題,如果06無法解決,是否到新球季就能解決? 不知大家覺得呢? 參考 #1OG4bBa2 #17Y4Yx5A https://www.setn.com/m/News.aspx?NewsID=132974 https://www.pttweb.cc/bbs/NBAGM/M.1151314468.A.420 https://www.thenewslens.com/article/101053 ※ 引述《lens82801 (開始QQ的見習生)》之銘言: : Top high school player Jalen Green enters NBA/G League pathway : 頂級高中球員Jalen Green選擇從G League前進NBA : https://es.pn/34GUwRB by Jonathan Givony and Adrian Wojnarowski : California high school star Jalen Green, the No. 1 prospect in the 2020 ESPN : 100, is making the leap to a reshaped NBA professional pathway program -- a G : League initiative that sources say will pay elite prospects $500,000-plus and : provide a one-year development program outside of the minor league's : traditional team structure. : 加州的高中明星球員Jalen Green,ESPN 2020年高中生百大排行中第一的潛力新秀,決定 : 選擇不同樣貌的NBA職涯道路 -- 也就是全新的G League企劃。根據消息來源指出,這個為 : 期一年、獨立於傳統小聯盟球隊架構以外的培養計畫中,預計將會提供潛力新秀們50萬鎂 : 以上的薪水。 : Green -- a potential No. 1 overall pick in the 2021 NBA draft -- announced : Thursday that he is bypassing college to become the professional pathway's : first participant, a decision that likely clears the way for more commitments : from elite prospects. : Green -- 2021年選秀狀元的潛在人選之一,在本週四宣布了他選擇不用大學做為開啟職涯 : 的第一步,這個決定很可能將為其他的潛力新秀們開啟了全新的道路。 : His decision to join the NBA and G League's development program for the : 2020-21 season has broad implications for the future of the NCAA and NBA : landscapes. NBA commissioner Adam Silver and G League president Shareef : Abdur-Rahim have worked to eliminate two massive hurdles to convincing : players uninterested in college basketball to pass on the lucrative National : Basketball League of Australia by providing a massive salary increase and a : structure that doesn't include playing full time in the G League. : 他選擇加入NBA跟G League在2020-21賽季的發展計畫的決定對於未來NCAA與NBA之間的關係 : 有非常重大的意義。NBA主席Adam Silver與G League總裁Shareef Abdur-Rahim攜手合作, : 致力於消除阻礙,讓那些對大學籃球沒興趣的球員願意跳過有利可圖的澳洲職籃NBL,並且 : 不需要在G League全職出賽。 : Once top 2020 draft prospects LaMelo Ball and RJ Hampton chose to play : professionally in Australia this year, Silver became more determined in : pushing Abdur-Rahim to explore a financial and basketball structure that : enticed top American prospects. Green represents a massive breakthrough for : the NBA's long-standing goal of gaining access to top prospects who want an : alternative to the NCAA. : 在今年2020選秀梯的潛力新秀LaMelo Ball跟RJ Hampton選擇去澳洲打職籃以後,Silver開 : 始十分堅定的要求Abdur-Rahim必須找出一個在財務以及籃球上足夠吸引美國潛力新秀的制 : 度。而Green這次的決定便象徵了NBA一個長期目標的重大突破,成功的提供頂級新秀們在 : NCAA以外的選擇。 : "That's a real program that the NBL has," Abdur-Rahim told ESPN. "It's : appealing. We have kids leaving the United States -- Texas and California and : Georgia -- to go around the world to play, and our NBA community has to : travel there to scout them. That's counterintuitive. The NBA is the best : development system in the world, and those players shouldn't have to go : somewhere else to develop for a year. They should be in our development : system." : 「這是一個NBL他們實際在執行的計畫。」Abdur-Rahim告訴ESPN:「它確實很有吸引力, : 我們有些孩子離開了美國 -- 德州、加州和喬治亞 -- 去世界的其他地方打球,而我們NBA : 的團隊就得跑到那邊才能觀察他們,這件事真的很違反直覺。NBA就已經有全世界最好的養 : 成系統了,那些球員不該跑到其他地方去養成一年,他們應該要留在我們的體系內。」 : The NBA's talks remain stalled with the National Basketball Players : Association on an agreement to end the one-and-done draft model, leaving this : revamped pro pathway program as a bridge to what is believed will be the : eventual elimination of the rule requiring American players to wait a year : after high school graduation before entering the draft. : 先前NBA與球員工會之間為了消除one-and-done選秀模式的談判有所停滯,而這次提出的職 : 涯計畫將會扮演橋樑的角色,來促成刪除要求美國球員必須在高中畢業後隔一年才能參加 : 選秀的規定。 : Green is committing to become part of a yearlong developmental program with G : League oversight that will include professional coaching, top prospects and : veteran players who will combine training and exhibition competitions against : the likes of G League teams, foreign national teams and NBA academies : throughout the world, sources said. : Green所參加的這個一年期的發展企劃中,包含了G League提供的職業教練執教,潛力新秀 : 與老將們將會一起訓練,並且在表演賽中對上其他G League球隊、外國國家隊以及NBA在世 : 界各地的學院隊伍。 : The season could include 10 to 12 games against G League teams that wouldn't : count in standings, sources said. The primary objective will be assimilation : and growth into the NBA on several levels -- from playing to the teaching of : life skills. : 這一季預計將會與其他G League球隊打上10-12場左右,比賽結果不影響排名。最主要的目 : 標在於讓他們在各種層面上獲得成長並與NBA產生歸屬 -- 從打球到生活的各種技能都是。 : The salary bonus structure in Green's contract, for example, is expected to : include financial incentives for games played, completing community events : and attending life skills programs coordinated by the G League's oversight of : the program, sources said. : 在Green合約的獎金架構中,舉例來說,他的激勵獎金預計將會包含出賽數、完成的社群活 : 動以及參加由G League官方所舉辦的生活技能課程。 : The NBA's plan is to stock this team with veteran pro players who would be : willing to balance mentorship of Green and other prospects with the personal : opportunities that might emerge because of the intense NBA scouting exposure : that will come with these teams. : NBA計畫放一些樂於指導新人的老將進入這支球隊,他們會扮演Green以及其他潛力新秀 : 的導師,協助他們把握在NBA球探的密集觀察中所得到的機會。 : Former NBA Coach of the Year Sam Mitchell is expected to be considered as one : of the candidates to lead the team, sources said. : 前NBA年度教練,Sam Mitchell預期將會是這支球隊的教練人選之一。 : Abdur-Rahim and G League executive Rod Strickland have spent over a year : communicating with families of top prospects about changes that would be : needed in the NBA's original plan to deliver a viable alternative to college : basketball and other global professional leagues. : Abdur-Rahim和G League執行長Rod Strickland已經花了一年的時間和這些潛力新秀的家庭 : 做溝通,了解他們一開始的計畫中哪些部分需要做調整才能變成足以和大學籃球以及國外 : 職籃競爭的選項。 : Abdur-Rahim reported back to Silver on the factors that he believed needed : altering for the program to become viable. First, the $125,000 salary lagged : significantly behind mid-six-figure offers in Australia. Also, those advising : players had a trepidation about top high schoolers losing draft value by : getting overmatched on G League rosters against older, more mature players, : as well as the mentally and physically taxing minor league lifestyle. The : idea of getting dropped into remote G League cities as a teenager concerned : families too. : Abdur-Rahim向Silver回報了計畫中的哪些部分需要改變才行。首先,12.5萬鎂的薪水完全 : 比不上澳洲50萬鎂上下的薪水。另外,這些高中生如果在和年紀更大、更成熟的G League : 球員們對陣時被打爆,他們十分擔憂這會影響到他們的選秀身價,還有直接進入小聯盟式 : 的生活對於球員生理和心理上的考驗。如果讓青少年們跑到遙遠的G League球隊城市的話 : 也會讓他們的家庭擔心。 : "When you look around the world at the market that's been created, where we : started at $125,000 wasn't enough -- certainly not in itself," Abdur-Rahim : told ESPN. "There was also uncertainty about where I would be playing [in the : G League]. There was uncertainty about whether an affiliated team would be : incentivized to develop me. All of that made the program in its original form : tougher. You can't isolate any of that. For a top kid with options, that was : a tough sell." : 「看了全世界目前的市價之後,我們一開始訂在12.5萬鎂的確是不夠的。」Abdur-Rahim告 : 訴ESPN:「對於會在哪個G League城市打球的不確定性,對於一支有母隊的球隊來說是否 : 願意栽培潛力新秀的不確定性;這些都讓我們一開始的計畫對他們來說過於艱難。你不能 : 把這些考量擺到一邊去,對於一個有選項的頂尖孩子來說,這會讓你打動不了他。」 : Another prospect in discussion to join the G League professional pathway is : McDonald's All American Isaiah Todd, the No. 13 player in the 2020 ESPN 100. : He decommitted from Michigan this week. Other uncommitted prospects, : including Makur Maker, Karim Mane and Kai Sotto, could be candidates to join : Green in the program, sources said. : 另一個在討論是否要加入G League職涯計畫的是麥當勞全明星賽的Isaiah Todd,2020 : ESPN百大高中生排行第十三,他在本週決定取消前往Michigan大學。其他尚未決定去處的 : 潛力新秀中,包含Makur Maker、Karim Mane和Kai Sotto,可能也是和Green一起加入這計 : 畫的人選。 : With the NBA season shut down because of the coronavirus pandemic and the : league losing significant money by the day, the timing of the financial : investment in the program is an even more dramatic decision. With the : uncertainty surrounding college sports environments for the coming year in a : pandemic, the professional pathway program could represent a controlled : environment that more ensures development and care for the NBA's most prized : resource: its young talent. : 當NBA本季因為武漢肺炎而停賽的現在聯盟損失了大量的金錢,此刻對這計畫的投資變成了 : 更加戲劇性的決定。明年的大學運動環境依然有著被疫情影響的不確定性,這個職涯計畫 : 可以提供更加受控的環境,能夠確保NBA最珍貴的資產 -- 年輕的天賦 -- 可以得到培養與 : 照顧。 : Without the restrictions of NCAA amateurism rules, players are free to hire : agents, profit from likenesses and pursue marketing deals from sneaker : companies worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. Hampton signed a shoe deal : with Chinese sneaker company Li-Ning as part of an endorsement deal he signed : after committing to the Australian NBL. : 在沒有NCAA業餘化規則的限制之下,球員能夠自由的雇用經紀人、藉由自己的人氣來獲利 : 並且與球鞋公司簽下價值不菲的合約。RJ Hampton在確定去NBL打球之後,就和中國球鞋公 : 司李寧簽下了合約。 : Green is expected to be in line for a seven-figure shoe deal this year, : sources said. He could have been the No. 1 overall pick in the 2020 draft if : he was eligible, and he already has a significant social media footprint and : following. : Green被認為今年將能夠簽下七位數的球鞋合約,他甚至被認為若是能參加2020選秀的話會 : 是選秀狀元,現在的他已經在社群媒體上十分活躍並且有許多支持者。 : A native of Fresno, California, Green won gold medals with USA Basketball at : the FIBA U17 and U19 World Championship in 2018 and 2019. Auburn, Memphis, : Oregon, Florida State, USC and Fresno State were some of the college programs : vying for Green's commitment. : 來自加州Fresno的Green在2018、2019分別在美國隊的U17跟U19拿下金牌。Auburn、 : Memphis、Oregon、Florida State、USC和Fresno State都提供獎學金希望讓他加盟。 : 心得: : 能夠成功延攬目前的高中第一人加入這個全新的G League計畫對於NBA來說是一大勝利, : NCAA不再是頂級高中生的唯一選擇。 : Jalen Green高中Highlight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT7TWYxu1vU
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AV771118 : 這些話就只是想讓球員當大學奴工啊 04/20 01:22
AV771118 : 東77 16歲打職業隊就沒這問題 04/20 01:23
IBIZA : 06年那時候是發展聯盟還很不成熟, 自從聯盟打算開放 04/20 01:24
IBIZA : 高中生選秀, 發展聯盟強化很多, 也多了雙向球員名額 04/20 01:25
IBIZA : 以前高中生棄學要是沒選上, 就幾乎沒有後路 04/20 01:26
aniji : 真的不知道你要質疑啥 有些原文已解答 有些沒提到但 04/20 01:29
aniji : 想也知道在他們系統下是不難解決的事 04/20 01:29
kaede0711 : 實際上那些都是NCAA為了營收以及NBA為了壓榨新人約 04/20 01:32
kaede0711 : 年限的說詞而已 04/20 01:32
kaede0711 : 不過現在農場系統真的比當年好太多也是真的 04/20 01:33
aniji : 而且也不是無腦做 花一年跟家庭溝通取得使用者回饋 04/20 01:33
aniji : 你只想用一句 06的問題新球季就能解決嗎 來質疑整個 04/20 01:34
aniji : 聯盟動起來建立的系統 也太無力了吧 04/20 01:35
kaede0711 : 不就拿當年的觀念繼續套而已…更何況當年那些說詞也 04/20 01:36
kaede0711 : 是眾說紛紜 04/20 01:36
asd831129 : 那些反對論點,也不是丟到大學一年就可以解決 04/20 01:37
IBIZA : NBA哪有為了壓榨新人年限,新人合約年限從制定到現 04/20 01:41
IBIZA : 在快二十年沒改了 04/20 01:41
IBIZA : 當年NBA之所以封閉高中生選秀,主要就是對高中球員 04/20 01:43
IBIZA : 的辨識度問題,包括能力跟心智 04/20 01:43
IBIZA : 選錯人,或是選來的人難搞,對球隊來說風險很難評估 04/20 01:46
IBIZA : ,尤其以前農場又很弱,選到沒辦法上場的,就只能坐 04/20 01:46
IBIZA : 板凳 04/20 01:46
EZ78 : 沒有 成熟度什麼想多了 追根究底就是NCAA希望每個球 04/20 02:06
EZ78 : 員都進去大學至少採棉花一年而已。 04/20 02:06
EZ78 : 難不成你覺得one-and-gone心態就會比較成熟嗎 04/20 02:08
harry155007 : 都是推託啦,是怕強的高中生不打NCAA會影響他們的精 04/20 02:09
harry155007 : 彩度 04/20 02:09
kaede0711 : 壓年限的說法不太精確,應該說會沒辦法讓新人約在球 04/20 02:13
kaede0711 : 員更年輕時跑完,我記得之前曾經有要拉高到20歲的討 04/20 02:13
kaede0711 : 論,當時反彈方就認為這會影響球員權益(24才能跑完 04/20 02:13
kaede0711 : 新人約) 04/20 02:13
PeterHenson : 聽聽就好了啊 你覺得大一跟高四心智年齡是有差到哪 04/20 02:14
laidon : NCAA也被暴出一些教練,塞錢給球員,倒不如讓他們去 04/20 04:39
laidon : 打職業,至少能改善家裡經濟。 04/20 04:40
turnpoint : 當年還因為這議題跟很多人在板上辯過,因為台灣大 04/20 06:22
turnpoint : 學普及率太高,一堆人把沒唸大學就打職業的高中畢業 04/20 06:22
turnpoint : 生當作妖魔鬼怪,都跟著NCAA的論點起舞 04/20 06:22
driftcreator: 高中生選秀,跟現在JG去G-League過一年水是兩回事 04/20 07:45
driftcreator: 本質跟去NBL一樣,只是NCAA OND之外的另一個選擇 04/20 07:45
mangojocker : 改善家裡經濟? 算了啦 04/20 07:48
mangojocker : 一堆球員花錢如流水是要改善什麼 04/20 07:48
driftcreator: 可以觀察的部分是NBA會不會把這套系統套用到2022 04/20 07:50
driftcreator: 例如高中生中選後,規定強制先送去G-League蹲一年 04/20 07:50
mangojocker : 只要沒打出來 新秀合約期賺的錢依造揮霍的程度 04/20 07:51
mangojocker : 大概很快還要家人養勒 04/20 07:52
nastycurry : 講的好像每個球員都亂花錢然後破產一樣 根據在哪? 04/20 08:35
a3504121 : IB大~~~~~ 04/20 08:45
a3504121 : 股版沒有你的日子好難過 04/20 08:45
leg0125 : M開頭的邏輯超好笑 04/20 09:14
REAW : 41樓真的神邏輯 04/20 10:16
laidon : 某M真的是"何不食肉糜"最典型的代表。 04/20 10:20
kaede0711 : 花錢如流水的前提就是經濟改善啊 窮到只能吃營養午 04/20 10:55
kaede0711 : 餐怎麼花錢如流水… 04/20 10:55
EZ78 : 不是 有收入的G-League再怎樣都比打免費的ncaa好啊X 04/20 11:16
EZ78 : D 04/20 11:16
THEGASTBY : 就是老闆們多過一層篩減少損失,即能克服資訊落差( 04/20 12:02
THEGASTBY : 各地高中強度落差)又能幫ncaa一把。 04/20 12:02
EZ78 : ncaa強度落差也超大啊 每一個高中有的問題打ncaa一 04/20 13:01
EZ78 : 年根本不會解決 04/20 13:01
h760108 : 18進領滿兩張max的機會比較高 04/20 17:08
h760108 : 19進稍微晚一點打出名堂很可能生涯就一張max而已 04/20 17:08