[外絮] 球迷：該交易Ingram？鵜鶘記者：除非找

[mingonly (Ashley Grecia)]

球迷發問該交易Ingram？鵜鶘記者：除非找到更好的人選

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What sort of timeline are the Pelicans aiming for to compete for a champions
hip? If they run it back, I think the team could compete for the 7-10 seed n
ext year. Is the front office ok with that kind of gradual improvement, or d
o you think they’re going all-in to try and win now? — Joshua D.

你認為球隊什麼時候才會開始考慮爭冠，我認為球隊下賽季的目標會是西區第七到第十
，你認為球隊會繼續緩慢前進，還是會考慮嘗試贏在當下？

It’s tough to start putting championship expectations on a team led by a gu
y who hasn’t even turned 21 yet. Zion Williamson’s growth in his second se
ason was unlike anything we’ve seen for a player his age, and he’s already
 established himself among the elite players in this league.

很難把一支由還沒有滿21歲的球員帶領的球隊納入爭冠的考慮，不過Zion在第二個賽季
的成長是無與倫比的，他正朝著精英級別球員的方向前進。

It’ll still take some time for him to grasp what’s required of him to be t
he consistent leader on both ends that New Orleans needs to grow into a real
 contender one day. I mean,蟖uka Doncics right up there with Williamson as
 far as unprecedented success for a player at such a young age, and Doncic s
till hasn’t made it out of the first round of the playoffs yet. Not to ment
ion, he landed with a franchise that has a much longer track record of winni
ng than New Orleans.

他還需要時間才能成長為在攻防兩端都能帶領球隊的球員，就像鵜鶘也需要時間去提高
競爭力一樣。 比如說另一名超新星Luka Doncic，他所在的獨行俠比鵜鶘要強很多，但
他也從來沒突破過首輪季後賽。

Making the playoffs — or at least the Play-In Tournament — has to be the b
are minimum for this group with all of its young talent and the two stars le
ading the way. Winning consistently in the West is always a grueling task, a
nd it seems like it’s only going to get tougher as some of the other young
squads competing with New Orleans continue to grow.

打進季後賽，或者至少打進附加賽，應該是這支天賦滿滿，有兩名球星的球隊下賽季的
最低目標。 在西區能持續贏球一直是一項挑戰，而接下來幾年，隨著西區其它年輕球隊
的成長，贏球只會變得更加困難。

If Damian Lillard places a trade request, would you package BI with all the
Pelicans picks plus additional players to make a super team with Zion & Dami
an? — Charles S.

如果Lillard申請交易，你會把鵜鶘所有的選秀權和Ingram以及其他球員一起打包，來打
造一支由Zion和Lillard組成的超級球隊嗎?

Let me start here: I don’t believe Lillard will be going anywhere this offs
eason. He’s been far too loyal to Portland, and the Trail Blazers just gave
 him an enormous contract extension in 2019 that kicks in next season. I don
’t think Pels fans should be getting their hopes up anytime soon for a Lill
ard trade.

我認為Lillard近期哪裡也不會去。 他對拓荒者有夠忠誠，拓荒者也在2019年給了他頂
薪合約，球迷不該對他抱什麼期望。

But if he were to become available miraculously, the Pels would be insane no
t to pursue him — even if it meant giving up Ingram. There would be a list
of teams willing to throw their best assets on the table to get a guy like L
illard.

不過，如果這件事真的發生了，那麼球隊應該全力追求他，哪怕這意味著要放棄Ingram
，為了得到Lillard這樣的球員，會有很多球隊願意把他們最好的資產放在檯面桌上。

Now, the question is what would it take to get him? A deal centered around I
ngram, Jaxson Hayes and two or three first-round picks would probably be the
 minimum Portland is looking for. My guess Portland would want Kira Lewis Jr
. or Nickeil Alexander-Walker to be involved in the deal as well. I’d prefe
r to keep Alexander-Walker in a deal like this because he’d be a better fit
 defensively next to Lillard.

所以怎樣才能得到他呢？ Ingram加上Hayes，再加上兩到三個首輪選秀權，波特蘭可能
才會開始看你的報價，他們可能還會要求加上Kira Lewis，或者Alexander-Walker， 這
時候我會傾向於留下Walker，他更適合與Lillard搭檔。

If the Blazers counter and say they’re looking for something closer to four
 or five picks for Lillard, I may get a little hesitant. He turns 31 in July
, and he has an incredible amount of money still left on his contract. He’s
 owed more than $45 million in his age 33 season and more than $48 million i
n his age 34 season.

但如果拓荒者要價4-5個選秀權，我可能會猶豫，因為他今年七月份就滿31歲了，還背著
巨大的合約，33歲賽季的薪水是4500萬，34歲則是4800 萬美元。

That’s a whole lot of money to be giving a small point guard late in his ca
reer. If you look back in NBA history, most of the guys in Lillard’s size r
ange tend to fall off a cliff once they reach their mid-30s. Paul is current
ly showing it’s possible to win at the highest level with an older point gu
ard, but is it a guarantee Lillard will be able to do the same late in his c
areer? It’s hard to predict at this point.

對於一個在職業生涯後期的矮小控球後衛來說，這是一大筆錢。 如果你回顧一下NBA的
歷史，大多數像Lillard這種體型的球員一旦到了30歲多歲就會容易斷崖式下跌。 雖然
保羅證明了矮小控衛也能保持很久的巔峰，但這畢竟是少數，我們能保證Lillard也能做
到嗎？

Ultimately, I’m always a proponent of betting on talent and hoping for the
best. The idea of Lillard splashing 3s from halfcourt and Williamson dunking
 on people in the same offense is utterly terrifying. And the guidance Lilla
rd can provide for Williamson during this crucial point in his career would
be invaluable. Does it guarantee New Orleans a title? Of course not.

But it would put them closer than they’ve ever been.

雖然如此，如果鵜鶘同時能夠擁有Lillard的半場三分和Zion的暴力灌籃，該有多麼恐怖

That’s a whole lot of money to be giving a small point guard late in his ca
reer. If you look back in NBA history, most of the guys in Lillard’s size r
ange tend to fall off a cliff once they reach their mid-30s. Paul is current
ly showing it’s possible to win at the highest level with an older point gu
ard, but is it a guarantee Lillard will be able to do the same late in his c
areer? It’s hard to predict at this point.

對於一個在職業生涯後期的矮小控球後衛來說，這是一大筆錢。 如果你回顧一下NBA的
歷史，大多數像Lillard這種體型的球員一旦到了30歲多歲就會容易斷崖式下跌。 雖然
保羅證明了矮小控衛也能保持很久的巔峰，但這畢竟是少數，我們能保證Lillard也能做
到嗎？

Ultimately, I’m always a proponent of betting on talent and hoping for the
best. The idea of Lillard splashing 3s from halfcourt and Williamson dunking
 on people in the same offense is utterly terrifying. And the guidance Lilla
rd can provide for Williamson during this crucial point in his career would
be invaluable. Does it guarantee New Orleans a title? Of course not.

But it would put them closer than they’ve ever been.

雖然如此，如果鵜鶘同時能夠擁有Lillard的半場三分和Zion的暴力灌籃，該有多麼恐怖
？ 而且Lillard能夠給Zion提供的指導將是無價的，這能保證為鵜鶘帶來總冠軍嗎？ 當
然不行。 但是，這會讓他們比以前任何時候都要接近。

Should the Pels seriously think about trading BI? If you designed the ideal
“2nd best player on a Zion-led team,” how much would that player look like
 BI? I think – not very much. You’d want someone like Klay Thompson – A+
defender, A+ shooter, does not need the ball. BI is arguably as bad a defend
er as Zion (with less reason to think he will improve), and does not fancy h
imself a spot-up shooter, so he doesn’t do it. BI is a good player, but doe
sn’t seem to fit well with Zion. — Derek M.

我認為Ingram不是合格的二當家，最好的二當家應該是像KT那樣的頂級攻防的3D球員，
Ingram防守和Zion一樣差，也不是射手，他和Zion真心不搭，球隊有考慮交易他嗎？

I’ve seen quite a few people running with this narrative since the season,
and it’s stunning to me. I couldn’t disagree more with people who are in s
uch a rush to get rid of an All-Star who’s under 25 years old and was more
than happy to commit to a long-term deal to stay in New Orleans. How many of
 those guys do you think are readily available at the moment?

從本賽季開始以來我看過很多人這樣說，我看到的第一反應是很震驚。 為什麼你們這麼
想擺脫一名25歲以下的球星呢，他還十分樂意與鵜鶘簽下長約，現在市場上還有多少這
可以去問問活塞、騎士、火箭和雷霆這樣的球隊，他們有多麼希望Ingram是他們隊裡第
二好的球員。 鵜鶘本賽季的失敗只能說明Zion和Ingram身邊的角色球員有多麼不適合他
們，而不是他們兩人之間有多麼不適合。

Does Ingram need to show massive improvement on defense? Of course. He’s go
t to understand his role will be different now that so much of the offense i
s going to flow through Williamson. There have to be other ways he can impac
t the game outside of scoring.

當然，Ingram必須提升自己的防守，因為現在球隊的進攻是圍繞著Zion展開，Ingram必須找到其他影響比賽的方式。

Ingram is an incredible talent, and I think it’s easy to overlook that beca
use Williamson looks like a superhero from a different planet at times.

Ingram很有天賦，但在超級英雄般的Zion面前，人們很容易忽視這一點。

The best way to build a consistent winner is by acquiring multiple stars and
 building around them. The Pelicans were lucky enough to figure out the most
 challenging part of that equation almost immediately after drafting William
son. Their next job is to figure out what kind of players they need to compl
ement those two. Tossing Ingram aside this early in the process would be one
 of the worst decisions the organization could ever make — unless you can g
et someone better than him.

球隊想建立贏球文化的最好辦法是得到多名球星，並圍繞他們建隊。 鵜鶘在得到Ingra
m、選中Zion後已經很快地做到了第一步，他們接下來的工作就是找到最適合他們二人的
其他拼圖，現在就把Ingram姆丟出去是最差的決定，除非你能找到比他更好的人選。
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推 Kappa       : 褲子+德軟 我湖小虧
推 beckseaton  : 西門如何
推 kenny30139  : 英滾聽完他這樣講會不會氣氛XD
推 c871111116  : IG+Ball+Hart換AD如何
推 AngelNo13   : Lillard+Zion？沒感覺到很強啊
推 jack8587    : 黑肉+德軟+褲子換球哥+zion，我湖小虧
→ VL1003      : 沒什麼好氣氛的，整篇就跑鵜鶘的記者在跟網友 Q&A
→ VL1003      : 如果今天這篇是管理層來講才有可能氣氛吧
ement those two. Tossing Ingram aside this early in the process would be one
 of the worst decisions the organization could ever make — unless you can g
et someone better than him.

球隊想建立贏球文化的最好辦法是得到多名球星，並圍繞他們建隊。 鵜鶘在得到Ingra
m、選中Zion後已經很快地做到了第一步，他們接下來的工作就是找到最適合他們二人的
其他拼圖，現在就把Ingram姆丟出去是最差的決定，除非你能找到比他更好的人選。
https://reurl.cc/zeARXy


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※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 101.137.167.4 (臺灣)
※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1623926593.A.DEB.html
推 Kappa       : 褲子+德軟 我湖小虧
推 beckseaton  : 西門如何
推 kenny30139  : 英滾聽完他這樣講會不會氣氛XD
推 c871111116  : IG+Ball+Hart換AD如何
推 AngelNo13   : Lillard+Zion？沒感覺到很強啊
推 jack8587    : 黑肉+德軟+褲子換球哥+zion，我湖小虧
→ VL1003      : 沒什麼好氣氛的，整篇就跑鵜鶘的記者在跟網友 Q&A
→ VL1003      : 如果今天這篇是管理層來講才有可能氣氛吧
※ 編輯: mingonly (101.137.167.4 臺灣), 06/17/2021 18:56:27
推 gibbs1286   : 有需要動IG交易的球員都是各隊非賣品球星吧XD
推 s87995109   : 有更好的 換很正常啊
→ mingonly    : 呃 改個錯字 怎麼推文跑到文章上面去 .. 奇怪了
推 jyekid      : IG可以練成二當家沒問題啦 就怕他身體之前的毛病
推 sustainer123: KP換IG
→ gibbs1286   : KP換IG是爽到獨行俠吧XD
推 kurenaiz    : 小獨：成交
→ loserloser  : 記者講的有什麼好氣氛
推 gto731216   : KP拿去換西門好了
推 saobing     : 西門+拖把可以嗎
推 jackal44748 : KP跟你換 成交
推 every70213  : Ig不夠換西門拖把吧 除非想省錢
推 hunder31    : 我牛KP要不要? 考慮一下啦 拜託
推 Coffeewater : IG沒這麼爛，至少可以養成Wiggin等級
推 matsuwu     : 水鳥記者感覺是小將迷XD
→ matsuwu     : IG現在就是AW等級了吧？
推 dwiee       : 可以拿到小李的話 交易也可以 zion等不及了
推 tjtcgcha    : CJ單換IG 我拓小賺
推 slamblock15 : 交易西門啦 至少保底季後賽 早點給胖虎累積經驗也
→ slamblock15 : 好
推 hid53924    : ig拿去換西門吧
推 sustainer123: ig進攻屌打圍巾啦 守備還要練
→ sustainer123: KP其實能幫Zioncover守備+拉開空間 健康的話:))
推 kem0606     : BI換西門？沒進過季後賽的人
→ sosad0128   : (沒看內文純說標題):哪個交易不是找到更好人選?
推 piercetruth : IG搭配鉛筆比西門適合 至少空間能拉開 還不會被駭
→ sosad0128   : 不是都是選擇當下對自己球團最有利的才會交易嗎?
推 ariesbreeze :   要換真正的A級球星 例如AD
推 jyekid      : Zion下季的定位究竟會不會是控球前鋒呢
→ YamagiN     : Zion配西門? 幹進攻全擠裡面? 天才
推 jun83113    : IG 換 J.Harris + S.Dinwiddie
推 jyekid      : Zion 西門 亞尼斯 油漆區擠好擠滿
推 josephpu    : 這劇本我知道，到最後技安得去三分線當射手
推 o0991758566 : IG都進過全明星了  還圍巾等級...
推 sunnydragon7: 找西門來裡面更擠
推 AtDe        : IG換小李，這可以
推 gibbs1286   : IG配77應該滿搭的
推 Ten6666     : 圍繞Zion建立進攻體系 英滾當第二持球點
→ Ten6666     : 這兩個感覺沒有不合啊 沒整合好而已
→ Lattendue   : IG是比較偏進攻後 才感覺防守沒了 不然他防守沒到慘
→ Lattendue   : 吧??
推 mambaout414 : 換CJ 我拓小虧
推 Ten6666     : 鵜鶘防守不好是整個體系的問題
推 swingingbear: 進攻屌打圍巾？ 別說笑好嗎
推 sustainer123: ig今年per19 圍巾per15 生涯最高也就17.5
→ sustainer123: 不對 圍巾最高16.5
推 GoodDonkey  : IG換圍巾，我勇小虧
→ o0991758566 : IG攻防都屌打圍巾阿  有什麼奇怪的
推 YU0158      : 防守是圍巾屌打吧
推 JMashburn   : IG換西門 雙贏
推 scatman     : Zion配小李，感覺防守會很破。綠葉要挑防守好的幫忙
推 sacbin      : 上面的都沒參考性 LBJ+德軟換zion+ball+ig我湖小虧
推 rachelc     : IG的協防也是慘到不行的那種 今年打沒幾場就被丟去
→ rachelc     : 協防整個慘不忍睹 常常一直看持球者就忘記自己對位
→ rachelc     : 的人
→ rachelc     : 小李要真的開吹
→ rachelc     : 你出BI+Hayes+選秀權基本上沒人能更大包了 只是鵜鶘
→ rachelc     : 防守又會更慘就是了
→ rachelc     : 但要說跟圍巾同等級我也是不知道要說什麼 在咖哩這
→ rachelc     : 種頂級射手旁邊都刷不出來了…
推 kobe1006    : 姆斯<>英滾+鴨蛋 我湖小虧
推 ALIENKUO    : KP拿去
推 a509170123  : 推推
推 stja        :