推 cs894msc: 借問被洩氣的不是球嗎?跟門有什關係?? 05/16 00:22
推 NickMarkakis: 從著名小說"羅生門"演變出來，這些運動場上的作弊 05/16 00:46
→ NickMarkakis: 事件都被加個"門"字，像是spy gate偷拍門 05/16 00:46
→ NickMarkakis: 意甲之前也有今年打進歐冠決賽的尤文的電話門 05/16 00:47
推 oplz: it's from Nixon's 'watergate' scandal... 05/16 01:22
→ oplz: not the novel/fiction... it's broadly used in all kinds 05/16 01:22
→ oplz: of controversies, not only in sports. 05/16 01:23
推 zkow: 羅生門應該是用電影的劇情，因為電影是取材竹林下的故事 05/16 02:41
→ zkow: 一半採用羅生門原小說 05/16 02:41
推 Ginola: 是水門案，羅生門的英文是照翻的Ra-sho-mon，且後代也錯用 05/16 09:45
→ Ginola: 羅生門講的各說各話是最後一篇的「竹林下」，羅生門是著作 05/16 09:45
→ Ginola: 的第一篇 05/16 09:46
推 krajicek: 說到電話門，尤文圖斯因為這件事情冠軍被取消打到乙組說 05/16 11:04
→ krajicek: 足球世界好像動不動就會以取消冠軍當處罰，當然這種事在 05/16 11:04
→ krajicek: 美國的職業運動是不可能發生的啦XD 05/16 11:05
→ JamesSoong: 可能美國聯邦參議員在歐洲使不上力吧 在美國就不一樣 05/16 11:20
→ vic1201: 足球還很愛扣積分(相當於扣掉勝場) 連發不出薪水都可以扣 05/16 11:26
推 oplz: 已經看到被拿出來講很多次了 如果美國聯邦參議員指的是 05/16 13:50
→ oplz: Arlen Specter ... 他其實是施壓 Goodell/NFL 嚴辦 NE 的 05/16 13:51
→ oplz: 並不是出來幫愛國者...他是賓州的參議員.. 麻州的兩位是 05/16 13:53
→ oplz: Ted Kennedy & John Kerry 兩個都沒管這種事..現在的參議員 05/16 13:54
→ oplz: 是 Elizabeth Warren (my favorite!) & Ed Markey 當時都不 05/16 13:55
→ oplz: 在位子上.. 05/16 13:55
推 NickMarkakis: 原來是我搞錯了XDDD Sorry 05/16 15:02
→ JamesSoong: Arlene Spector當時要開聽證會 被Ted Kennedy搓掉了 05/16 22:15
→ JamesSoong: 說什麼浪費時間 最後不了了之 誰知道檯面下交換了什 05/16 22:16
→ JamesSoong: 麼 05/16 22:16
推 oplz: any link/evidence to back it up? I couldn't find any. 05/17 00:55
→ oplz: "who knos what happened under the table" is not strong 05/17 00:57
→ oplz: enough as evidence IMO. 05/17 00:58
→ JamesSoong: weird, it's easy to google"Ted Kennedy spygate" 05/17 21:21
→ JamesSoong: then plenty of results appear 05/17 21:25
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2008-05-15-spygate-folo_N.htm
One of Specter's colleagues from across the aisle, Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass.,
sees things differently.
"With the war in Iraq raging on, gasoline prices closing in on $4 a gallon
and Americans losing their homes at record rates to foreclosure, the United
States Senate should be focusing on the real problems that Americans are
struggling with," Kennedy said Thursday.
"I'm looking forward to another great Patriots season where they can let
their play on the field speak for itself."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_New_England_Patriots_videotaping_controversy
On May 15, 2008, Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA), who at the time, along with
Specter sat on the United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary, commented
on Specter's initiative, saying: "With the war in Iraq raging on, gasoline
prices closing in on $4 a gallon, and Americans losing their homes at record
rates to foreclosure, the United States Senate should be focusing on the real
problems that Americans are struggling with."[69]
In a June 16, 2008 interview with the Philadelphia Daily News, Specter said
he "had gone as far as he could" with the matter, and would not request a
senate hearing.[70]
※ 編輯: JamesSoong (219.85.194.232), 05/17/2015 21:27:53
推 oplz: 麻州記者問 Teddy 他對 spygate 的看法..Teddy 講他的看法 05/18 00:52
→ oplz: 說 Teddy 出來搓掉是過度延伸.. 如果有人問我 我也覺得那是 05/18 00:53
→ oplz: 浪費時間 但不能這樣就說我施壓把事情搓掉. 05/18 00:55
→ oplz: I'm asking the evidence showing Ted Kennedy 'forcing' 05/18 00:57
→ oplz: the senator, NFL, or anyone to drop the case.,. 05/18 00:58
→ oplz: It's important to tell 'speculation' from 'fact', if 05/18 01:04
→ oplz: this is the best 'evidence' in hands. 05/18 01:04
→ JamesSoong: 施主 你已經自己回答這個問題了 你先說Arlen Specter 05/18 06:23
→ JamesSoong: 施壓 Goodell/NFL 嚴辦 NE 還準備要開聽證會 如果沒人 05/18 06:24
→ JamesSoong: 介入 Arlen Specter會無緣無故取消聽證會? 05/18 06:26
→ JamesSoong: 第二 你說Ted Kennedy沒管這事 實際上他已經發表談話 05/18 06:27
→ JamesSoong: 第三 你說要施壓的直接證據 小弟已經把兩個事件放在一 05/18 06:28
→ JamesSoong: 起 可以自己去理解 難道要像柯建銘和王金平那樣把對話 05/18 06:29
→ JamesSoong: 錄下來你才會相信? 05/18 06:29
推 oplz: fine.. if this is your logic... Teddy was asked for 05/18 06:30
→ JamesSoong: 你以為政壇上政治人物會隨隨便便就發表公開談話的? 05/18 06:31
→ oplz: his opinion on this, and he gave his opinion. That's it 05/18 06:31
推 oplz: if you can accuse someone on something simply based on 05/18 06:35
→ oplz: your preference and imagination... that will be a 05/18 06:35
→ oplz: 'wonderful' world to live in. Apparently not the one I 05/18 06:36
→ oplz: prefer to live in. 05/18 06:36
→ JamesSoong: 很難說 oplz大說Ted Kennedy & John Kerry 兩個都沒管 05/18 12:43
→ JamesSoong: 這種事" 已經破功了 小弟看oplz大也活得很好 05/18 12:44
推 oplz: Kennedy 從未表示過他有施壓搓掉聽證會 但你說你知道他有 05/18 13:46
→ oplz: NFL 從未表示過 Kennedy 施壓的情事 但你說你知道他有 05/18 13:47
→ oplz: Specter 從未表示過 Kennedy 跟他搓湯圓 但你說你知道他有 05/18 13:48
→ oplz: 整個媒體從未報導過 Kennedy 干預介入 但你說你知道他有 05/18 13:48
→ oplz: 找到一段 Kennedy 回答記者訪問時的回應 就說這是管事的證據 05/18 13:49
→ oplz: 你可以繼續想當然爾地先射箭再畫靶 宣揚愛國者惡勢力龐大 05/18 13:50
→ oplz: 還有美國參議院幫忙護航搓湯圓 只是我真的不知道到底是不是 05/18 13:51
→ oplz: 活在同一個時空裡... 05/18 13:52
我們的確沒活在同一個時空裡
oplz大活在物理實驗室裡 小弟活在現實生活裡
oplz大若不幸在政治圈裡打滾 就知道政治場域裡利益交換理所當然
你支持我一個提案連署 交換個你不要做什麼事 是再自然不過的事
可是公開說出來就會變scandal
如同前陣子有記者寫劉政鴻在苗栗縣長任內舉債百億
可是自己幾千萬負債在任內全數還清
記者有什麼證據說劉政鴻在任內有收錢?
又如同前陣子台中有個新科市議員
因為取締攤販的問題把派出所長叫到議員辦公室
你有哪隻耳朵聽到議員在關說? 憑什麼指控議員關說?
議員說他只是和派出所長感情好 找來泡茶 要信就儘管信吧
至少前陣子有人"accuse"小弟是因為眼紅Pats戰績太好才批評Pats
oplz大可沒有像現在這樣"見義勇為" 大談"evidence"有多重要
推 oplz: yeah.. I can also say Brady did the boston marathon 05/19 01:11
→ oplz: bombing, the only requirement is 'I believe so'. It 05/19 01:12
→ oplz: matters not if there is any evidence suggesting it. 05/19 01:12
Could be, If TB connected with the Tsarnaevs and al-Qaeda frequently.
Even you don't get the information of their communication.
※ 編輯: JamesSoong (219.85.87.27), 05/19/2015 12:16:21
→ flyjohn: loser is always a loser. 還可以扯到什麼社會經驗去 06/01 13:11
→ flyjohn: what a loser. 是Pete Caroll要傳的 不是Pats okay? 06/01 13:12
→ flyjohn: suck it. loser 06/01 13:13
推 fewmaster: 樓上完美示範RW3這時如果出頭會被某些人如何拿來說嘴XD 06/01 17:23
推 RBaldelli: Patcheats fan好嗆R 06/02 04:41
推 FireLake: Some people have pride and some people simply don't. 06/02 16:30
→ FireLake: The worst are the people who not only have no pride 06/02 16:30
→ FireLake: by supporting cheating, but also have no shame by 06/02 16:30
→ FireLake: letting everyone know about it. 06/02 16:30
→ JamesSoong: 寫了三行也只是一直重複罵別人是loser 連個道理都講不 06/04 17:39
→ JamesSoong: 出來...... 算了 不要嘲笑網友好了 06/04 17:40
推 willy1205: 不知道有沒有哪隊是從來沒作弊的？ 06/05 18:31
推 GroveStreet: 別隊有沒有不能確定，但可以確定的是被抓到作弊好幾 06/11 09:35
→ GroveStreet: 次的也只有Pats而已 06/11 09:35
推 GroveStreet: 還有，原來這年頭作弊者還可以罵人loser了 06/11 09:37
→ flyjohn: 對loser在抱怨還需要多說些什麼嗎 就loser嘛 看懂沒 06/20 12:40
→ flyjohn: L O S E R loser懂了沒 回家想想怎麼贏球吧 06/20 12:41
推 GroveStreet: 想想怎麼贏球~學作弊者隊當CHEATER嗎lol 06/21 13:39