[情報] Deutsche Bahn tenders for loco-hauled

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http://railcolornews.com/2017/03/03/eu-deutsche-bahn-tenders-for-zugverbanden-lokomotiven-und-wagenzuge/
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[EU] Deutsche Bahn tenders for loco-hauled long distance passenger trains
Written by Railcolor Headquarters on 03.03.2017

The German railways (DB) are renewing their fleet for long distance traveling.
We are just months away from the start of serie-delivery of the new ICE4
trains, that should enter revenue earning service next December. Some sets
are already in ‘test service’ now between Hamburg and Munich.

Image above: Impression made by Railcolordesign.com, it has no relation to
Deutsche Bahn

Originally, in 2011, DB wanted to order both multi-system and AC voltage ICE4
trains, so they could be deployed in Germany, Switzerland, Austria and in DC
voltage countries such as the Netherlands. But these plans have changed over
time. The multi-system version was taken out of the program. Now, the ICE4
will be operated in Germany (homologation done) and Switzerland (in process).
DB has stated that homologation for Austria is also still desired, but will
be realized on a later moment.


ICE 4 trainset. Photo: Deutsche Bahn
Now DB has released a new tender for a framework agreement for newly built “
Zugverbänden (Lokomotiven und Wagenzüge)”: train compositions (locomotives
and loco-hauled rakes for passenger services). They need to be single-deck
and operable in Germany, Austria and “other European countries”.
Manufacturers can apply independently or as consortium.

Also, the manufacturer(s) must have produced a mainline train type that has
been fully approved for Austria and the Netherlands during the past five
years. It/They should have production capacity for at least twenty trains per
year, starting in 2021. One composition should have at least 485 seats.

You can read the whole tender here: ted.europa.eu

Railcolor: Is ordering loco-hauled stock for passenger service by the German
railways breaking with the trend to focus on articulated  trains? Yes and no.
True, loco-hauled trains do not have a distributed power system, they are
more flexible as you can add or take-out coaches, in theory. In practice we
see that trains such as the Railjet from Austria, the Intercity Direct in the
Netherlands and DB’s own IC2 double deck trains are operated in fixed
compositions too, only locomotives change rake every now and then. Not
changing the composition of the train, is often preferred because on
economical arguments. An operator then saves on costs for the logistics of
shunting and having coaches available at strategic locations. When more
capacity is needed, than often two trains are coupled together.


‘Intercity 2’: The loco-hauled train as fixed unit. Photo: Deutsche Bahn
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摘要：
ICE4的多電壓跨國版計畫喊卡，改以新型機車牽引式列車取代

P.S.感覺很可能是西門子主推的Viaggio Confort出線...跨國多電壓又高速

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│    本務車              後連車    │ 列
│ ◢               --- -        ◥ │ 車
│    E1001                E1002    │ 供
│           - ---                  │ 電
│   1    2   ▄▄▄▄▄   2    1   │ 故
│ ● ●● ●            ● ●● ● │ 障

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推 Odakyu: 能介紹一下Viaggio Comfort嗎
這車其實就是Railjet的系統名
當初西門子替OBB客製化了Railjet之後，為了拓展業務而發展的平臺
全列固定編組型可以到250kph，動力車可摘掛型則到230(如OBB Railjet)
動力車則可以搭配ES64U2 U4 Vectron或另外客製等等
http://www.mobility.siemens.com/mobility/global/SiteCollectionDocuments/en/rail-solutions/passenger-coaches/viaggio-comfort-en.pdf
https://goo.gl/zCkhkZ
其實跟ICE2滿有血緣關係的...

另外補上文尾提到的Intercity 2
是龐巴迪Twindex的PP版
https://youtu.be/cnrEJmu1Re0
※ 編輯: komachi275 (1.34.120.108), 03/05/2017 00:53:15
推 Stan6003: 歐洲還是很愛動力集中式
推 cutec: 看來ICE-4雖然號稱可以編組調整，但其作業的便利性似乎仍
→ cutec: 不如機車牽引的客車般容易。
推 atriple: 順道一問，歐洲鐵路是否不在意營運速度可否達到300 kph？
西門子上面那張廣告單提到說歐洲超過250以上的營運範圍是小部分
這或許也是就連ICE4也降低目標速率至250的原因

廣告單內有歐洲鐵路路網圖 看起來270以上的偏重在西歐
推 cutec: EMU單量編組調整往往還是有一定系統侷限性，不如客車般可
→ cutec: 自由摘掛。
※ 編輯: komachi275 (1.34.120.108), 03/05/2017 01:14:03
推 cutec: 這問題很難回答，因為歐洲是很多國家組成，每個國家對於鐵
→ cutec: 路高速化的需求不同，自然會有不同的作法。
→ komachi275: 法國很愛蓋LGV 但好像也只有西班牙跟進?
推 velaro: 德國鐵路高速化主要是舊線改良，雖然不像法國全程都300公
→ velaro: 里但能夠遍及全國路網，日後再蓋高速新線
推 cutec: 舊線改良會提升時速到200，專用的高速線則是時速280-300。
→ shun01: 德國的ICE擺到大陸或日本大概都會被笑吧！舊線比例過高
車子大陸有Velaro CN
路的部分對岸分傳統線與高速線
傳統線以160最高 高速線則是200以上
哪個部分會被笑呢?
推 Everforest: 德國鐵路是網狀的 交通樞紐分散各地 做新線可是大工程
→ Everforest: 先從舊線升級比較合乎成本
※ 編輯: komachi275 (1.34.22.63), 03/05/2017 09:53:39
※ 編輯: komachi275 (1.34.22.63), 03/05/2017 09:59:54
※ 編輯: komachi275 (1.34.22.63), 03/05/2017 10:21:50
推 Odakyu: 蓋LGV要放射性國家比較容易一些 除非像中國一樣瘋狂
推 velaro: 的確日本法國西班牙都是放射網路，德國是分散的
→ omkizo: 沒幾個國家能撐得起網狀高鐵吧? 目前中國也頂多是算多點
→ omkizo: 放射(以北上廣為中心) 雖然八縱八橫做好後會變網狀
→ omkizo: 但那財政問題也很令人擔憂呀
推 kkStBvasut: 恭喜我奧地利Railjet的德國版即將誕生
推 kkStBvasut: 歐洲不蓋高速新線反而可以完整服務舊市區和中小城市
推 kkStBvasut: 高速新線為主的國家: 法國 西班牙 荷比 義大利
→ kkStBvasut: 法國是因為當時只有新幹線這個案例可學 西班牙是因為
→ kkStBvasut: 傳統鐵路是1676mm
→ kkStBvasut:           1668 把伊比利軌距跟印度軌距搞錯orz
推 cutec: 其實除了新建LGV外，法國也有選擇將部份舊線提速到220，兩
→ cutec: 者同時並進。
→ kkStBvasut: 都是"為主"啦 奧地利瑞士都各自有一小段高速新線了
→ kkStBvasut: 然後西班牙也是有可變軌距準高速列車
推 cutec: 對了，Tours往波爾多的高速新線也會在今年完工加入營運。
→ metalfinally: 歐洲客貨混雜鐵路線不少，碰到貨列在跑的路線也是要
→ metalfinally: 降速，而且機車頭除了客運列車、貨運也能用
推 velaro: Tours 到Bordeaux的高速路線已經通車了吧？總統致詞還出了
→ velaro: 點小插曲
推 cutec: 已經通車了...XD, 請問致詞時發生了啥小插曲?
→ kkStBvasut: 查了一下應該算是已經試營運還沒通車(?)
→ kkStBvasut: 但總而言之剪綵了
推 atriple: 原來如此（筆記）。另外，舊線提速的方法是改用
→ atriple: 動力比較大的車或可傾斜過彎的車嗎？
推 cutec: 簡單說大致有：1. 說路線基礎改善、2. 曲線優化、3. 道岔
→ cutec: 號數提升、4. 號誌系統更新、5、車輛系統