Re: [討論] Online coding test，禁不禁止查資料？

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※ 引述《neo5277 (I am an agent of chaos)》之銘言：
: 真的很討厭考試....
: 你說今天如果是剛畢業去考試
: 那或許情有可原，很多時候是你轉職也是一堆考試。
: 那我寫履歷要做什麼? 最常碰到履歷上寫了用過的技術跟架構還有處理的問題。
: 有時候還附上專案的檔案。
: 然後不例外就是考試，然後面試時候問也沒問。

剛好在 Hacker news 看到這篇, 建議新創公司要怎樣找人:

Why Developers Hate Coding Skills Tests
(And What Hiring Managers Can Do To Change That)

https://hackernoon.com/why-developers-hate-coding-skills-8m6u3za1

In 10 years of working with high growth technology start-ups,
I’ve never come across a company that’s too good at hiring
software developers. Everybody struggles with finding great
software engineers.

他在近10年都沒看到擅長找軟體工程師的公司

問一些創辦人對於考程式的看法:

Would you hire a magician without asking them to show you some
magic tricks? Of course not.

你要找軟體工程師，當然要看他們寫程式的能力

 it's clear that developers are looking at it from an
(understandably) selfish perspective. ‘I'm a good developer,
why do I need to prove this to somebody I don't even know?'"

“I feel like I’ve built products and have a professional
network that should preclude me from needing to do that.”

軟體工程師只是覺得自己很厲害，所以討厭再用考試證明自己

底下他有整理一些 coding interview 被討厭的原因

* Most coding assessments test only algorithmic skills

建議作法: 考 unit test 與 framework 使用
look for coding assessments based on unit tests—developers
write unit tests on a daily basis. Also look for assessments
that use language specific frameworks

* Coding skills tests are time consuming

建議作法: 第一場不超過30分鐘，最後的面試也不要超過2小時

* Coding tests don’t reflect the real world programming experience

建議作法: 問工作上會遇到的問題

* Coding assessments take developers out of their comfort zone

建議作法: 讓面試者自己決定環境

* Senior developers shouldn’t need to prove themselves

建議作法: 和上面類似，問工作相關的問題，不要天馬行空亂問
Make sure that whatever you are asking of senior developers to
do, it’s actually providing some insight on how they’d
contribute on-the-job—don’t make them jump through hoops

* Automated scoring of code can lead to false rejections
這個在台灣好像比較少看到, 他建議不要只看結果，要自己人工分析
for the sake of jumping through hoops!

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推 NDark: wp.me/pBAPd-xI
推 maxqq: 有考試反而更好表現自己，說實話，但標題是『查資料』
推 shter: 不考試也有很多作法，比如 github 給主管過濾
→ shter: 看看寫 code 的風格、演算法、擅長的處理方式
→ shter: 找出自己想要的人不難，只是主管懶會覺得考試比較簡單
推 j0958322080: 一個履歷投出去會看的主管根本沒幾個，還在那邊靠腰
→ j0958322080: 說自己很忙要體諒，結果根本就不體諒面試者
推 marc47: 主要是學一套語言很快，但是要熟悉一套系統卻很慢，因此無
→ marc47: 法找到真正熟整套系統或對系統程式有經驗的員工