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在SBNation看到一篇文章, 提到Bertans跟David Lee,粗淺翻譯一下給大家指教討論: -------------------------------------------- Davis Bertans may have made David Lee expendable by Dan Schultz @ SBNATION 原文網址: https://goo.gl/UXatpC - Six years ago on the night of the 2011 NBA Draft, when the San Antonio Spurs shockingly agreed to trade coach Gregg Popovich’s “favorite player,” point guard George Hill, to the Indiana Pacers in exchange for the rights to Kawhi Leonard — they also received the rights to a little-known European player named Davis Bertans. 距離2011年NBA選秀已經六年了,在那個晚上馬刺做了一個令人驚奇的行動: 將Popo的愛將George Hill 交易到溜馬,換回第15順位選秀權並選了Kawhi。 同時,他們也得到了當年第42順位,並選擇了不知名的歐洲球員Davis Bertans。 At the time, Leonard was considered a solid prospect who might one day be as good or perhaps slightly better than Hill, while Bertans was considered a low-risk throw-in who might not ever make an NBA roster. Throw in two devastating right knee injuries in 2013 and 2015, and Bertans' chances of coming to the NBA at times appeared very uncertain. 在那時Kawhi被認為可以成長為一個跟Hill同等級,甚至更好的球員, 而Bertans只被當作一個低風險低報酬的投資,甚至可能根本不會出現在NBA的舞台。 之後當Bertans在2013及2015年經歷了兩次右膝毀滅性的傷勢, 他來到NBA的機會顯得更加渺茫。 - Fast forward to 2017. Leonard has become one of the top players in the league while Bertans surpassed expectations during his rookie campaign last season — playing 67 games and starting in six of them. He averaged 4.5 points per game on 44 percent shooting from the field and recorded a 40 percent mark from behind the arc. While those numbers might not immediately jump out at you, he only played 12.5 minutes a game and did a fine job making the most of his limited time on the floor. 快轉到2017年,Kawhi已經成為了聯盟頂尖的球員, Bertans,也超越了過去我們對他的期望: 登上NBA的舞台並在新人年出賽67場(其中6場先發), 平均4.5分,擁有44%的命中率且三分命中率達40%。 這些數據可能並不會讓球迷們覺得很棒,但要知道, 這是Bertans在平均12.5分鐘內繳出的數據, 他在有限的上場時間內兢兢業業的完成他的工作。 Pop noted how impressed he was with Bertans, saying “His confidence and the way he comes into a game — he might come in at the end of the game, he might come in the middle and not expect to be playing — and he doesn't miss a beat. He comes in and plays like he's been playing all night, so that's kind of cool.” Very cool, indeed. Popo 也表示了他對Bertans表現的讚許: "自信及他上場時的心態 - 他可能只上垃圾時間,也可能作為輪換,甚至根本不會出場- 不管怎樣他總是保持節奏,就是上場比賽,以他一貫的水準工作,這很酷。" When Bertans came over last year, it made the decision to part ways with Matt Bonner easier. At 6-foot-9, Bertans is essentially a younger, quicker and more athletic version of Bonner. And just like Bertans took over Bonner’s role last year — playing sparingly off the bench and being a reliable stretch four — it’s fair to say that his capable play last season was a factor in the Spurs deciding not to bring back the older and more limited David Lee this season. 人們很容易從Bertans去年的表現聯想到Matt Bonner, 擁有6"9'的身高,Bertans無疑是一個更年輕、更敏捷、更有運動能力的三明治獵人。 而當Bertans完成了Bonner以前的工作 - 從板凳出發,當一個可靠的延伸4號位 - 對於馬刺隊來說,Bertans的好表現會是他們不簽回老化後的David Lee的原因。 The choice not to bring Lee back seems like it could have been a difficult one, being that he played played hard, knew his his role, was loved by his teammates and seemed a perfect fit for the team’s culture. Unfortunately for Lee, he’s never been an outside shooter, and that’s something players on this year’s Spurs team need to do. Throw in his lack of speed, his age (34) and a tough knee injury to end last season, and it made perfect sense why the Spurs wanted to move on and give Bertans a bigger role. Lee勤奮的工作態度、對於自身角色的體認、與隊友緊密的關係, 都是馬刺隊難以放棄他的原因,特別是他與"馬刺文化"相當契合。 但當我們看到馬刺在今年的補強以外線投射為主要考量時, Lee的內線技術明顯得不符合需求。年邁且缺乏速度,加上去年季後賽的膝傷, 馬刺選擇與Lee分道揚鑣並把他的上場時間給予Bertans顯得非常合理。 Lee had the chance to come back to the Spurs too, but he turned down his player option for this season. Because the Spurs weren’t left with a ton of cap wiggle room once they signed Rudy Gay and took care of Pau Gasol, Manu Ginobili and Patty Mills, this proved to be the final nail in the coffin for Lee. Bertans, meanwhile, is still on a rookie contract. 球季結束後Lee有球員選項可以自己決定是否續留馬刺,但他選擇跳出。 而馬刺在招募到Gay,續留Gasol、Manu、Mills後已經沒有多餘的薪資空間, 這讓Lee的留隊可能性幾乎歸零,Bertans,則還在領他第二年菜鳥的薪水。 It’s clear that Bertans already has the trust and support of PATFO as well as his teammates, important for any young player. His confidence in his shooting, combined with the perseverance he showed battling back from two tough injuries, has helped mold him into the player he’s become. The scary part? He's only 24 years old. Bertans will have to play with the same assured attitude he had last season. It’s fair to expect some sophomore bumps along the way as he grows into a larger role and more minutes. But his precise sniping from deep, combined with deceptive athleticism, makes him tailor-made for the prototype teams want their power forwards to conform to in today’s NBA. 很明顯Bertans已經得到了管理層以及隊友的信任,這對年輕球員來說非常重要。 他投射的信心,加上戰勝膝傷展現出的毅力,使他能成長為他現在的模樣。 重點是,他才24歲。 Bertans必需在新球季展現出跟上一季一樣的態度, 可以預期他會在二年級遭遇一些困難,當他拿到更多上場時間後更是如此。 不過他精準的遠投、以及與外表不符的運動能力, 使他完美的符合現在NBA球隊對4號位球員的要求。 You can bet Pop is going to use him a lot more this season, and here’s hoping he seizes this opportunity by the throat and becomes yet another name in the long list of “draft-day steals” for the Silver and Black. 我們可以打賭Popo會在新球季更多地使用Bertans,並期待Bertans能緊緊抓住這個機會。 或許以後人們提到銀黑軍團的選秀時,他會成為另一位 "選秀會的大偷"。 --------------------------------- 心得: 出賽6場,場均23.7分鐘,平均得分14(投射三圍 50.9%,44.7%,90%) 外帶3籃板2助攻,這是Bertans在剛結束的歐錦賽繳出的成績單。 對比七六人潛力新秀 Dario Saric, 出賽6場,場均32.4分鐘,平均得分14.8 (投射三圍 38.9%,26.3%,82.4%) 外帶6.7籃板,2.5助攻。 - 雖然我認為Lauvergne才是Lee的替代, 不過新球季的Bertans也是相當有看頭。 希望能加強身體,在投射及空手切入維持水準, 並在內外線防守有更好的表現。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 180.217.177.245 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Spurs/M.1506097865.A.9D8.html ※ 編輯: dweabybnye (180.217.177.245), 09/23/2017 00:31:40 ※ 編輯: dweabybnye (180.217.177.245), 09/23/2017 00:51:53
skies123: Bertans跟Lee完全不同類型 現在馬刺真的很缺Lee這種活力 09/23 01:34
alex40214: 現在替補3/4號位有Gay, KA, Bertans.可能還是分不出什 09/23 02:08
alex40214: 麼上場時間給bertans 09/23 02:08
tlw0709: 先不說他好不好 但他要有時間只有PF 但不看好他頂得住 09/23 02:26
leo755269: ok啦 馬刺需要更多三分砲臺 09/23 02:52
seeyou24: 有投射也小有彈跳力,期盼能吃下替補的15分鐘~~ 09/23 02:59
TodaySuckMei: 15分鐘啊 ... 09/23 03:05
seeyou24: 去年KD、Gasol、AGG合力吃下90分鐘,Lee和Dedmon約36分 09/23 03:17
seeyou24: 那36分換成Lauvergne和Gay吃下的話,鋒線就剩下20分鐘 09/23 03:19
seeyou24: 這時間就靠KA和Bertans兩個人去分了~~ 09/23 03:20
Sanjis: 到目前的補強狀態,感覺有點想回到14年的打法,Kawhi去年 09/23 05:27
Sanjis: 後段感覺有刻意練組織。可打快打慢的變化節奏,不知道版 09/23 05:27
Sanjis: 上大大們有沒有什麼想法? 09/23 05:27
SmallLong: 想回14年才更該留lee... 09/23 06:21
leo755269: Lee有點像Diaw 但沒Diaw這種等級的應該沒得玩 09/23 07:17
b03o20y: Lee跟本沒三分,怎麼會像Diaw,Diaw也不像Lee那麼多拚 09/23 10:23
KawhiHao: 我覺得Lee比較像防守稍差的Splitter 09/23 10:36
KawhiHao: 但從定位來看好像比較像Baynes 09/23 10:39
ando: 繼續練可愛 繼續找更好的幫手 然後兩老安心退休 09/23 11:17
leo755269: Diaw的三分只是附加價值 他真正的價值在傳導 李有些P&R 09/23 11:24
leo755269: 後的二度分球蠻有看頭的 但還是不能跟Diaw比就是惹 09/23 11:25
leo755269: 李跟剔牙真的蠻像的XDD 傳球都不錯 防守較差finish較優 09/23 11:27
TodaySuckMei: TP9跟manu要安心退休的話 現在就夠安心了 09/23 12:06
TodaySuckMei: 卡外已經是聯盟首屈一指的球星了 09/23 12:06
YenLiKuo: 樓上你安心上路 09/23 13:30
hydeless: 口外處理擋拆跟兩老比還有很多路要走 09/23 13:52
hydeless: Tiago防守不會較差,Finish也不會較優 09/23 13:53
dweabybnye: 版友應該是說lee的防守較差但是finish較好? 09/23 18:06
dweabybnye: 但如果不簽人,假設大個三人有傷病加上輪休,該不會 09/23 18:10
dweabybnye: 要擺出joff+gay+ka+bertans的輪替吧 09/23 18:10
dweabybnye: 這如果遇到一隻會禁區磨的(ex: monroe),很可怕啊 09/23 18:12
b03o20y: Diaw的傳導多樣性部分歸功於三分有威脅 09/23 23:08
b03o20y: Lee沒有三分能力註定無法像Diaw站外線當傳導中繼站那麼 09/23 23:09
b03o20y: 有威脅 09/23 23:09
b03o20y: 我也覺得比較像防守稍差,放籃稍好不奶油手的Tiago 09/23 23:13
Aretimis7345: 瓜去雷霆了 明年雷霆的進攻變得有點可怕 09/24 01:27
chenliu0716: 西區軍備相比之下...真的別耽誤卡的精華時光啊 09/24 02:23
seeyou24: 牆太高了且明年是自由市場大年,軍備競賽會再重演一次 09/24 03:22
zlzooq: 西區大亂鬥...... 09/24 03:25
seeyou24: 亂世也有亂世的處世之道,比KL年少的那群可以好好練練 09/24 03:31
seeyou24: 不過練不出來就要掉隊了,希望有人可以跟得上啊!! 09/24 03:32
hydeless: 其實四五種子是最危險的位置,目前看起來..... 09/24 08:48
hydeless: 隔壁清爛約加收肥瓜,我們花大錢簽姊姊,此消彼長。 09/24 09:06
blackdevil: 真的是沒別的地方可以花錢一樣…… 09/24 09:17
JoseReyes: 最好讓雷霆或火箭拿第四名第二輪打勇士lol 09/24 11:55
hydeless: 結果我們一輪遊這樣嗎? XD 09/24 13:19
JoseReyes: 真是這樣也只能認了lol 09/24 14:06
alankira: 今年暑假過後,西區又更難打了 09/24 15:44
materu: 雷霆等於拿ola跟阿坎換到大喬跟甜瓜.... 09/24 16:34
dweabybnye: 換個角度想,敵人越強我們這邊也有更好的練功機會 09/24 16:47
KawhiHao: 應該要再加一個小沙 09/24 16:59
MickeyKG: 花大錢簽姐姐我真的看不到 09/24 17:09
leo755269: 我覺得不一定好練 雖然對抗強度升高但也代表需要花更多 09/24 18:34
leo755269: 精力搶優勢種子順序 搞不好調度變得比較保守 但希望KA, 09/24 18:34
leo755269: Murray上場時間能更多一點 09/24 18:35
pagenotfound: 在大時代大抱團的年代,球星數據被稀釋 09/24 22:40
pagenotfound: 明年不就是可愛搶MVP的好時機嗎? 09/24 22:41
hyakkiyagyo: 某個總版來的低俗小丑都不會人格分裂喔 09/24 22:51
lonesomeyu: 西區真的是軍備競賽了 09/25 00:17
materu: pop不會讓可愛打太久 09/25 01:40
aaagun: 雷霆薪資上升12.4M,然後要繳24.8M的豪華稅喔 09/25 14:23
dogville: 拿Bertans比Lee有點不倫不類 功能完全不一樣呀 09/25 14:44
sssss787: 大家太客氣了 今年就是練功年吧 10/03 02:09