Re: [討論] 假如沒有海軍條約的話巡洋艦會怎樣

[wl00669773 (Jerry shou)]

ADM 239/261把前衛的職責寫的清清楚楚
如果覺得可以放棄，直接決戰，你可以不要派前衛沒關係，反正你不是海軍將領

1.前衛有跟敵人艦隊做第一時間接觸的職責
If, when the fleet is at sea in daylight, enemy forces are in the vicinity,
they should be reported by reconnaissance forces, and contact should occur
between the advanced forces of the two fleets.

前述Reconnaissance包含航空偵查
因為航空偵查不夠可靠(起碼二戰前都是)
所以前衛接觸後以前衛的情報為主
The primary duty of reconnaissance aircraft is to locate and report both the
enemy battlefleet and aircraft carriers, subsequently keeping them under
observation while endeavouring to remain unseen. When visual contact has been
made between the advanced forces of the two fleets, air reconnaissance will
no longer be needed and these aircraft will take over action observation
duties.


確切一點說 是偵查(Reconnaissance)跟locate的區別

2.引導艦隊的部署方向
It is very desirable that the probable direction of deployment is signalled
early, in order that the cruisers can destroyers can gain an advantageous
position in the van. Until this is signalled, the advanced forces will
endeavour to maintain a position near the line joining the two battlefleets.
As the movements of the enemy flotillas may be an indication of direction of
deployment, it is of the utmost importance that these should be reported to
the Admiral.

3.阻止對手進入雷擊位
 The advanced forces will endeavour to prevent enemy flotillas and cruisers
from reaching a position favourable for torpedo attack on the British
battlefleet. The secondary armaments of the battleships will also be used to
counter torpedo attacks, more especially when attacks are developing on the
beam of the battlefleet. In the even of a heavy attack developing, it may
also be necessary for the capital ships to use their main armaments to
disperse enemy flotillas and cruisers.


Screen?我何時談論過Screen的職能? 屏衛就是屏衛

ADM裡也寫到了
無論是高速戰列或戰巡都能執行支援巡洋艦的職責
Either battlecruisers or fast battleships may be detailed to support the
cruisers ahead of the fleet. For convenience these vessels are referred to as
battlecruisers and the instructions which follow apply to either type of
ship, when carrying out this duty.

還有，對於戰場情勢，戰巡傳達的報告是最優先級，相較於前衛隊中其他巡洋和驅逐
Although many reports from other ships of the advanced forces may be
expected, signals from the Senior Officer of the battlecruisers during his
approach and action giving the general situation will be of particular value
to the Admiral.

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※ 編輯: wl00669773 (220.142.59.6 臺灣), 07/24/2021 12:25:21
※ 編輯: wl00669773 (220.142.59.6 臺灣), 07/24/2021 12:28:38
推 fw190a: 你猜缺乏BC的國家會想照著這邊寫的方式派前衛嗎？ 小船派
→ fw190a: 出去是前衛，拱衛時作為屏障，只是前者在理想情況效益更大
→ fw190a: 而已，不代表後者沒戰力。我知道你沒提screen，但你已經
→ fw190a: 把他寫成戰力0了
真是不好意思 戰間期沒有BC的國家 如美國選擇派重巡出去當前衛
沒有戰巡怎麼辦? 重巡頂著用阿!

反航戰戰術只能彌補戰列線上被搶T頭的航速劣勢，不能彌補沒高速主力艦使得驅逐巡洋孤立無援的窘迫局面
能怎麼辦，列克星頓就死了阿！　啊我就只有彭薩柯拉可以用！死馬當活馬醫！

另外如果進入決戰階段，除了戰列線外的隊伍叫Van跟Rear
而戰巡高戰及重巡(美國這種國家的話)就會於隊伍前方的支持位於Van的巡洋及驅逐作戰
To engage leading enemy capital ships and to support light forces in the van.
https://imgur.com/OXekYOw
支持Van位置上的巡洋跟驅逐幹嘛?
(d) Cruisers in the van: To command the areas ahead of and between the two
fleets and so support the attack of the flotillas, and to attack the enemy
battlefleet with torpedoes. More cruisers are required in the van than in the
rear.

(e) Tribal class destroyers in the van: To give close support to the
destroyer flotillas and to counter-attack, subsequently to make use of their
torpedo armament.

(f) Destroyers in the van: To attack the enemy with torpedoes as soon as the
two fleets become fully engaged and to counter-attack.


時間點再往前拉吧
日德蘭之後舍爾怎麼看英方戰巡艦隊?
https://bit.ly/3x2iL9t

舍爾認為：
英軍的戰術意圖，顯然是要截斷德軍的退路，誘使德軍與其優勢主力部隊接戰，然後戰勝
之。
英國前衛艦隊的航速和兵力優勢，使其優於德國的第一偵察集群，又能逃避德國主力艦隊
的打擊。
基於這些優勢，英軍傾向於在遠離本隊的方向開戰，一方面迫使德國戰巡隊只得跟隨行動
，另一方面實現強行偵察，給本隊報信。
如果前衛隊單獨開戰，英國戰巡隊對於德國人有兵力優勢，而德國主力艦隊太慢無法加入
戰鬥，對德軍是不利的。
而如果讓德國戰巡和本隊抱團，而不利用其航速前出，則可能遭到英國高速單位的側擊（
包抄戰列線一端），同時本隊也被迫改變航向
如果是這樣，德軍本隊的行動就完全被英國高速艦隊限制住了。英國人可以在有利的位置
和時機，集結優勢兵力發動攻擊，並完全包圍德軍前衛。


※ 編輯: wl00669773 (220.142.59.6 臺灣), 07/24/2021 12:53:21