Re: [請問] 為何"stein"有時唸"斯坦"有時唸"史汀"?

[ostracize (bucolic)]

How to Pronounce Jeffrey Epstein (Real Life Examples!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxjG9N0yh-8
Jeffrey Edward Epstein (EP-steen; January 20, 1953 – August
10, 2019) was an American financier and sex offender.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein
名從主人，所以不同人的姓雖然拼字相同，讀音也不同。
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/epstein
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Epstein
Both Epstein and Einstein are German -Jewish names based on the German word
for stone (Stein, pronounced shtine).

Many Jews in the USA - and other countries of the diaspora- came from
countries in Eastern Europe where they spoke Yiddish, a language based on a
German dialect. In Yiddish, — Stein is pronounced closer to steen and it is
this pronunciation which is largely used for names with the -ei diphthong.

The Epstein name and pronunciation has presumably come through the Eastern
European/ Yiddish route (so epp-steen)

On the other hand, Albert Einstein, coming from a middle class German Jewish
family, would have spoken German as a mother tongue and would most likely
have pronounced the name according to standard German pronunciation
(something like ine-shtine). As the sht- combination is not known in English,
the pronunciation became corrupted (in the English speaking world) to
ine-stine.
https://reurl.cc/97GgWX

--
※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 220.136.193.201 (臺灣)
※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/ask/M.1704616374.A.2C1.html
※ 編輯: ostracize (220.136.193.201 臺灣), 01/07/2024 17:30:40
推 MrTaxes: 原來竟然有如此淵源，感謝資訊提供....
推 chamber: 另一個考慮的因素是名字使用者是不是移民第一代仍受母語
→ chamber: 影響，第二三代以後就會用美語發音方式為多。
推 jollybighead: 名字通常是父母給的，該怎麼念自然是看父母怎麼發音
推 chamber: 哈哈 首先一般人不知道取名的爸媽怎麼念，也不會去查證，
→ chamber: 再來名字使用者可能有非常現實的考量，例如不想一直糾正
→ chamber: 寧願妥協、或者希望聽起來像英文以利融入移民社會。這也
→ chamber: 反應在很多漢人姓氏變成英文後的唸法都非常不一樣。
→ MrTaxes: 想到之前那位批評課綱的北一女國文老師-區桂芝
→ MrTaxes: 很多人看到她的姓"區"都直接念"屈"，但其實念"歐"~
推 jollybighead: 受母語影響不就看爸媽怎麼發音??然後小孩講自己的名
→ jollybighead: 字就是從父母發音而來??並不用查證...
推 TokiwaKurumi: 語言是會改變的
→ TokiwaKurumi: 不同地區有不同發音很正常
推 jollybighead: 所以移民第二代才會變成美語發音，不就如此??
推 Kukuxumusu: 語言會改變啊 那天才在reddit討論美國加拿大澳洲 有很
→ Kukuxumusu: 多或歐洲（甚至中東）的地名被移植過去 但現在發音都
→ Kukuxumusu: 大變
推 chamber: 我認識的移民姓名是非常多元唸法的，對家人，台灣同胞，
→ chamber: 公司白人同事可以不同唸法。誰管爸媽XD
推 Kazamatsuri: 就名從主人原則，歐美多半歡迎你直接問他名字怎麼唸
→ Kazamatsuri: 自己亂唸唸錯是很不禮貌的，甚至有冒犯的意思 XD
推 MEOWWW: 好文