Re: [問題]該怎麼入門

[Epimenides (No.13)]

※ 引述《Payne22 (培恩22)》之銘言：
: 如題
: 最近對自己原本喜歡的音樂類型麻木了
: 想聽聽不一樣的音樂
: 但我自己的習慣是要新聽一種音樂就想至少要聽到了解到一個程度
: 當作一個學習新知的機會

看標題以為是想入門，原來是想了解到一個程度
「了解到一個程度」這說法有點 tricky
它代表的意思，對不同人可能有很大的不同
暫且把它視為「可以跟古典樂同好聊一聊」這樣的程度
但要到這個程度，可能會花不少時間

: 雖然我知道這個領域感覺很龐大
: 想問在這裏的各位前輩
: 有沒有甚麼推薦的好入門的曲子
: 或是雜誌(高中時代有看過好像叫MUZIK還甚麼的雜誌?)
: 等各種資訊管道
: 可以讓我學習古典樂的文化、歷史等等...
: 雖然不是學樂器演奏能力
: 但想讓自己可以達到正確欣賞古典樂的能力

正確的方法不只一種，這是其一
人都會有偏好的，這是其二
最後，想要「正確欣賞古典音樂」也是要看天份看造化的
有些人到死都聽不到樂團裡的某些線條
要先有這個覺悟

: 我小時候有大概學過鋼琴七年時間 (雖然現在都忘了
: 然後會無聊翻一些介紹音樂家傳記的書來看(老媽的
: 國中的時候也很常翻家母的古典樂CD來當讀書音樂
: 高中時候學校有音樂班 常常會去看表演
: 到了大學就比較沒有接觸了
: 有為了想入門而去看了樂之本事這本書
: 但看完感覺還是沒有很了解
: 近期期望是可以去衛武營看一場表演
: 但又不想只是草草結束 而是能真正欣賞這項藝術
: 感謝大家

我建議從古典音樂史著手
只有在音樂史的脈絡下，才能真正理解某些作品劃時代的意義

至於要聽什麼
剛好手上有張表


Medieval/Renaissance:

1100s - Hildegard of Bingen

1365 - Machaut - Messe de Nostre Dame

1460 - Dufay - Missa L'Homme Armé

1475 - Ockeghem - Missa Prolationum

1500 - Desprez - Motets Et Chansons

1503 - Lassus - Motets

1515 - Desprez - Missa Pange Lingua

1562 - Palestrina - Missa Papae Marcelli

1570 - Tallis - Spem in Alium

1572 - Victoria - O quam gloriosum

1593 - Byrd - Masses (Try to find his keyboard works instead)

Early/Middle Baroque:

1605 - Monteverdi - Quinto Libro

1607 - Monteverdi - L'Orfeo (Opera)

1611 - Gesualdo - Madrigals, Libro 6

1612 - Praetorius - Terpsichore

1619 - Schutz - Psalmen Davids

1638 - Monteverdi - Ottavo Libro

1662 - Purcell - The Fairy Queen (Opera)

1669 - Lully - Divertissements

1673 - Biber - Battalia

1686 - Lully - Armide (Opera)

1698 - Torelli - Concerti musicali

1706 - Pachelbel Canon

1709 - Torelli - Concerto Grosso

Late Baroque:

1712 - Corelli - Concerti Grossi

1714 - Telemann - Trumpet Concerto

1714 - Couperin - Lecons de Tenebres

1721 - Telemann - Viola Concerto

1722 - Albinoni - Concerti a cinque

1723 - Zelenka - Simphonie 8

1725 - Scarlatti - Concert Grossi

1726 - Geminani - Concerto Grosso No. 5

1733 - Telemann - Tafelmusik

1741 - Rameau - Pièces

1744 - Hasse - Sonatas

1745 - Quantz - Flute Concertos

1747 - Forqueray - Pieces de viole

J. S. Bach:

1707 - Organ Music (Pick any Fugues)

1720 - Solo Violin Sonatas & Partitas

1721 - Brandenburg Concertos

1722 - Well Tempered Clavier

1723 - Cello Suite 1

1723 - Harpsichord Concertos

1723 - Violin Concertos

1727 - St. Matthew's Passion

1739 - Orchestral Suite 2

1741 - Goldberg Variations

1749 - Mass in B Minor

1750 - Art of the Fugue

Vivaldi:

1711 L'Estro Armonico

1721 Four Seasons

1725 Il cimento dell'armonia e dell'inventione

1727 Orlando Furioso (Opera)

1720s - Then pick any other concertos you want

Handel

1717 Water Music

1727 Zadok the Priest

1735 Alcina (Opera)

1738 Sinfonia from Saul

1739 Concerti Grossi

1739 Organ Concerto in F major

1739 Trio Sonata in G major

1741 Handel's Messiah

1749 Music for the Royal Fireworks

1700-1775 Giovanni Battista Sammartini

1709-1786 Franz Benda

1709-1789 Franz Xaver Richter

1710-1784 Wilhelm Friedemann Bach

1714-1787 Christoph Willibald Gluck

1714-1788 Carl Philipp Emanuel Bach

1719-1787 Leopold Mozart

1731-1798 Christian Cannabich

1734-1829 Francois-Joseph Gossec

1735-1782 Johann Christian Bach

1737-1806 Michael Haydn

Haydn:

1761 Esterhazy Symphonies (6,7,8)

1762 Opus 1 - Early Quartets

1764 Symphony 22 - Philosopher

1772 Opus 20 - Sun Quartets

1772 Sturm und Drang Symphonies (44,45,48,49)

1781 Opus 33 - Six Russian Quartets

1784 Armida (Opera)

1786 Paris Symphonies

1787 Opus 50 - Prussian Quartets

1789 Symphony 92 - Oxford

1791 London Symphonies

1796 Trumpet Concerto

1797 Late Piano Trios (38-45)

1798 Haydn - The Creation

1798 Opus 76 - Erdody Quartets

1799 Opus 77 - Lobkowitz Quartets

Mozart:

1764 Childhood Symphonies/Concertos

1773 Milanese Quartets

1775 Violin Concerto 3,4, and 5 - Turkish

1778 Symphony 31 - Paris

1779 Sinfonia Concertante

1781 Sonata for Two Pianos

1782 Symphony 35 - Haffner

1783 Symphony 36 - Linz

1783 Piano Sonatas 10 through 18

1785 Haydn Quartets

1785 Piano Concerto 19,20,21

1786 Horn Concerto 3, 4

1786 Le Nozze di Figaro (Opera)

1786 Piano Concerto 23,24,25

1786 Symphony 38 - Prague

1787 Serenade 13 - Eine kleine Nachtmusik

1787 String Quintet 4

1787 Don Giovanni (Opera)

1788 Piano Trios

1788 Symphony 39,40, and 41 - Jupiter

1789 Clarinet Quintet

1790 Prussian Quartets

1790 Cosi fan tutte (Opera)

1791 The Magic Flute (Opera)

1791 Mozart - Requiem

Other Classical:

1762 - Gluck - Orfeo ed Euridice (Opera)

1765 - Soler - Fandango and Sonatas

1798 - Boccherini - Quintet for Guitar in D (4)

1799 - Field - Piano Concerto 1

1800 - Clementi - Sonata 33

1803 - Hummel - Trumpet Concerto

1807 - Weber Symphony 1

1809 - Mehul Symphony 1

1811 - Field - Piano Concerto 2

1811 - Spohr Symphony 1

1815 - Cherubini - Symphony in D

1817 - Paganini - 24 Caprices

1818 - Ries - Symphony 5

Later Classical Composers: You can pick any Symphony or Concerto for these:

1739-1813 Johann Baptist Wanhal

1742-1811 Anton Ferdinand Titz

1747-1818 Leopold Kozeluch

1750-1825 Antonio Salieri

1754-1812 Franz Anton Hoffmeister

1757-1831 Ignaz Pleyel

1760-1812 Jan Ladislav Dussek

1766-1837 Samuel Wesley

1768-1808 Carlos Baguer

1770-1836 Anton Reicha

1784-1853 George Onslow

1791-1857 Carl Czerny

1796-1869 Carl Loewe

Beethoven:

1793 Piano Trio 3

1795 Piano Concerto 2

1796 Cello Sonata 2

1799 Piano Sonata 8 - Pathetique

1800 Symphony 1

1801 Opus 18 String Quartets

1801 Violin Sonata 5 - Spring

1802 Piano Sonata 14 - Moonlight

1803 Piano Concerto 3

1803 Symphony 2

1803 Violin Sonata 9 - Kruetzer

1804 Piano Sonata 21 - Waldstein

1804 Triple Concerto

1805 Piano Sonata 23 - Appassionata

1805 Symphony 3 - Eroica

1805 Fidelio (Opera)

1806 Piano Concerto 4

1806 Three Rasumovsky Quartets

1806 Violin Concerto

1808 Cello Sonata 3

1808 Choral Fantasy

1808 Symphony 5 - Fate

1808 Symphony 6 - Pastoral

1810 Fur Elise

1810 Piano Sonata 26 - Les Adieux

1811 Piano Concerto 5 - Emperor

1811 Piano Trio 7 - Archduke

1813 Symphony 7

1815 Cello Sonata 5

1818 Piano Sonata 29 - Hammerklavier

1823 Biabelli Variations

1823 Piano Sonata 32

1824 Symphony 9 - Choral

1826 Late Quartets (12, 13, 14, 15, 16, Grosse Fuge)

Schubert:

1813 String Quartet 4

1813 Symphony 1

1816 Symphony 4 - Tragic

1819 Trout Quintet

1819 Piano Sonata D.664

1822 Fantasy - Wanderer

1822 Six Moments Musicaux

1822 Symphony 8 - Unfinished

1824 Arpeggione Sonata

1824 Octet

1824 String Quartet 13 - Rosamunde

1824 String Quartet 14 - Death and the Maiden

1825 Piano Sonata D.850 - Gasteiner

1826 Piano Sonata D.894 - Fantasie

1826 String Quartet 15

1827 Impromptus

1827 Piano Trio 1

1827 Winterreise

1828 Mass 6

1828 Piano Sonata D.958, D.959, D.960

1828 String Quintet

1828 Symphony 9 - Great

Other Transitional to Romantic:

1815 - Rossini - The Barber of Seville (Opera)

1820 - Spohr Symphony 2

1826 - Spohr - String Quartets

1829 - Rossini - William Tell (Opera)

1830 - Berlioz - Fantastique

1831 - Bellini - Norma (Opera)

1832 - Wagner - Symphony in C major

1835 - Donizetti - Lucia di Lammermoor (Opera)

1838 - Spohr - Symphony 5

1842 - Berwald 2 - Capricieuse


Chopin:

1830 Piano Concerto 1,2

1832 Etudes 10

1832-1850 Nocturnes

1835 Etudes 25

1836-1846 Polonaises

1839 Preludes

1840 Piano Sonata 2 - Funeral March

1843 Ballades

1843 Impromptus

1843 Scherzos

1844 Piano Sonata 3

184? Waltzes

Mendelssohn:

1824 Symphony 1

1825 Octet

1827 String Quartet 2

1832 The Hebrides

1833 Symphony 4 - Italian

1837 Piano Concerto 2

1839 Piano Trio 1

1839 String Quartet 4

1842 A Midsummer Night's Dream

1842 Symphony 3 - Scottish

1844 Violin Concerto

1845 Piano Trio 2

1847 String Quartet 6

Schumann:

1835 Carnaval

1835 Grand Sonata 1

1841 Symphony 1 - Spring

1842 Piano Quintet

1842 String Quartet 1

1845 Piano Concerto

1847 Piano Trio 1

1847 Symphony 2

1850 Cello Concerto

1850 Symphony 3 - Rhenish

1851 Symphony 4

Liszt:

1837 Transcriptions of Beethoven

1842 Annees de pelerinage

1849 Piano Concerto 1

1850 Liebestraume

1850-1860 Symphonic Poems

1852 Transcendental Etudes

1853 Hungarian Rhapsodies

1853 Piano Sonata in B

1885 Bagatelle sans tonalite

Other Romantic 1840-1870:

1851 - Verdi - Rigoletto (Opera)

1853 - Verdi - La Traviata (Opera)

1866 - Bruch - Violin Concerto 1

1866 - Strauss II - The Blue Danube

1867 - Verdi - Don Carlos (Opera)

1868 - Grieg - Piano Concerto

1868 - Saint-Saens - Piano Concerto No 2

1869 - Raff - Symphony 3 - In the Forest


Wagner:

1845 Tannhauser

1850 Lohengrin

1865 Tristan und Isolde

1876 Das Rheingold

1876 Die Walküre

1876 Sigfried

1876 Götterdämmerung

1882 Parsifal

Brahms:

1853 Piano Sonata 1

1858 Piano Concerto 1

1860 String Sextet 1

1861 Piano Quartet 1

1864 Piano Quintet

1865 Cello Sonata 1

1866 A German Requiem

1869 Hungarian Dances

1873 String Quartet 1, 2

1875 Piano Quartet 3

1876 Symphony 1

1877 Symphony 2

1878 Violin Concerto

1879 Violin Sonata 1

1881 Piano Concerto 2

1883 Symphony 3

1885 Symphony 4

1886 Violin Sonata 2 - Thun

1887 Double Concerto

1888 Violin Sonata 3

1889 Piano Trio 1 - Revised

1891 Clarinet Quintet

Tchaikovsky:

1866 Symphony 1 - Winter Daydreams

1871 String Quartet 1

1872 Symphony 2 - Little Russia

1876 Swan Lake

1876 The Seasons

1878 Symphony 4 - Fate

1878 Violin Concerto 1

1879 Eugene Onegin (Opera)

1882 The 1812 Overture

1882 Piano Trio

1888 Piano Concerto 1

1888 Symphony 5

1892 The Nutcracker Suite

1893 Symphony 6 - Pathétique

Dvorak:

1879 String Quartet 10 - Slavonic

1880 Symphony 6

1885 Symphony 7

1886 Slavonic Dances

1888 Piano Quintet 2

1890 Symphony 8

1891 Piano Trio 4 - Dumky

1893 String Quartet 12 - American

1893 Symphony 9 - From the New World

1895 Cello Concerto

1896 String Quartet 14

Late Romantic 1870-1900

1871 - Verdi - Aida (Opera)

1874 - Verdi - Messa da Requiem

1875 - Bizet - Carmen (Opera)

1876 - Borodin Symphony 2

1876 - Smetana - String Quartet 1 - In My Life

1877 - Mussorgsky - Pictures at an Exhibition

1879 - Smetana - Ma vlast

1881 - Bruckner - Symphony 5 - Tragic

1881 - Borodin - String Quartet 2

1886 - Franck - Violin Sonata

1886 - Saint-Saens - The Carnival of the Animals

1886 - Saint-Saens Symphony 3 - Organ

1888 - Grieg - Suites

1888 - Strauss - Violin Sonata

1890 - Faure - Requiem

1892 - Bruckner - Symphony 8

1893 - Humperdinck - Hansel and Gretel (Opera)

1894 - Arensky - String Quartet 2

1895 - Glazunov Symphony 5

1896 - Strauss - Also Sprach Zarathustra

1896 - Puccini - La Boheme (Opera)

1898 - Scriabin - Piano Sonatas

Mahler:

1889 Symphony 1

1895 Symphony 2 - Resurrection

1896 Symphony 3

1899 Symphony 4

1904 Symphony 5

1909 Symphony 9

Debussy:

1893 - String Quartet

1905 - La Mer

1905 - Suite bergamasque

1907 - Images

1913 - Preludes

1915 - Cello Sonata

1915 - Trio Sonata

1917 - Violin Sonata

Elgar:

1899 Enigma Variations

1900 The Dream of Gerontius

1907 Pomp and Circumstance

1908 Symphony 1

1910 Violin Concerto

1911 Symphony 2

1920 Cello Concerto

Rachmaninoff:

1901 Piano Concerto 2

1903 Preludes, Op. 23

1908 Symphony 2

1909 Piano Concerto 3

1911 Etudes 33

1913 Piano Sonata 2

1934 Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini

1936 Symphony 3

1940 Symphonic Dances

Schoenberg:

1899 Verklarte Nacht

1905 String Quartet 1

1907 Chamber Symphony 1

1908 String Quartet 2

1909 Five Pieces for Orchestra

1909 Three Piano Pieces

1912 Pierrot Lunaire

1923 Five Piano Pieces

1927 String Quartet 3

1936 String Quartet 4

1940 Violin Concerto

1942 Piano Concerto

Bartok:

1909 - String Quartet 1

1917 - String Quartet 2

1927 - String Quartet 3

1928 - String Quartet 4

1931 - Piano Concerto 2

1934 - String Quartet 5

1938 - Violin Concerto 2

1939 - String Quartet 6

1943 - Concerto for Orchestra

1945 - Piano Concerto 3

Prokofiev:

1912 Piano Concert 1

1913 Piano Concerto 3

1916 Symphony 1 - Classical

1925 Symphony 2

1931 String Quartet 1

1935 Violin Concerto 2

1940 War Sonatas

1943 Violin Sonata 2

1943 Piano Sonata 7 - Stalingrad

1944 Symphony 5

Other Modern Composers:

1900 - Puccini - Tosca (Opera)

1902 - Sibelius Symphony 2

1903 - Ravel - String Quartet

1904 - Puccini - Madama Butterfly (Opera)

1905 - Sibelius - Violin Concerto

1905 - Strauss - Salome (Opera)

1910 - Webern - Six Pieces for large orchestra

1913 - Stravinsky - The Rite of Spring

1915 - Ives - Piano Sonata 2

1915 - Berg - 3 Pieces For Orchestra

1916 - Holst - The Planets

1916 - Nielsen Symphony 4 - The Inextinguishable

1917 - Respighini - Fountains of Rome

1919 - Stravinsky - The Firebird Suite

1922 - Vaughan Williams 3 - Pastoral

1923 - Janacek - String Quartet 1

1924 - Gershwin - Rhapsody in Blue, An American in Paris

1924 - Ives Symphony 4

1925 - Berg - Wozzeck (Opera)

1926 - Berg - Lyric Suite

1926 - Puccini - Turandot (Opera)

1927 - Ravel - Violin Sonata 2

1929 - Walton - Viola Concerto

1934 - Hindermith - Mathis der Maler

1935 - Berg - Violin Concerto

1935 - Gershwin - Porgy and Bess (Opera)

1939 - Barber - Violin Concerto

1939 - Rodrigo - Concierto de Aranjuez

1943 - Britten - Serenade

1943 - Hindermith - Symphony Metamorphosis

1944 - Copland - Appalachian Spring

1945 - Strauss - Oboe Concerto

1945 - Stravinsky - Symphony in Three Movements


Shostakovich:

1933 Piano Concerto 1

1937 Symphony 5

1941 Symphony 7 - Leningrad

1944 Piano Trio 2

1946 String Quartet 3

1953 Symphony 10

1957 Piano Concerto 2

1959 Cello Concerto 1

1960 String Quartet 8

1974 String Quartet 15



不見得都要聽，沒列入的也不見得是不好

這是屬於你自己的旅程，good luck


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→ benjaminchia: 這種清單列表  看了立馬離古典樂更遠
推 aaron97: 遠跟近都差不多啦 就不要計較這麼多了
遠近不是你我的責任

推 jugularnotch: 當作索引還不錯啊，適合我這種聽過某作曲家一兩首
→ jugularnotch: 接下來不知道聽什麼的挑食新手XD
推 yamatai: 這份榜單嚴重忽略鋼琴獨奏......
任何獨奏樂器

→ cloudylegend: 賓根很適合拿來舒眠XD
※ 編輯: Epimenides (36.224.21.114), 05/26/2019 21:29:12
推 buji: 請問這麼長的表怎麼輸入?
copy paste

推 exquisite96: 哈哈（僵）...
不用僵啦 又不是回家作業不寫會被當掉
聽不聽是自己的決定

推 apejun: 超優秀..謝謝你的表單 很實用
推 apejun: 1F 離古典更遠在哪? 況且原PO也學過鋼琴 巴洛克以降的作曲
→ apejun: 家多少略知一二 可能也彈過巴爾托克小宇宙 普羅高菲夫什麼
→ apejun: 的 就會很有共鳴阿
說到遠近的問題，剛聽完爵士很有感觸

聽到一段很讚的，隨時想拍手都可以的，

不會有正義魔人跑來說這個樂章還不能拍哦

難怪現在聽爵士的比古典的多，談音樂本身人家也不輸古典呀

氣氛又輕鬆，又投入

古典音樂的本身並沒有什麼高不可攀的東西

嚇走人的是一些繁文縟節/自以為是
※ 編輯: Epimenides (36.224.17.164), 05/30/2019 23:03:29