[討論] Guillermo del Toro關於ROMA的十點見解

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來自陀螺的twitter
https://twitter.com/RealGDT/status/1084701184110153729

肯定有雷 最後還提了一下Alfonso Cuaron執導《地心引力》時 對結局表現手法的堅持

礙於本人中英文的程度不足以翻譯全文 只能坐等神人
喜歡《羅馬》的朋友可以看一下導演的好麻吉是如何解讀這部片
有些觀察跟切入點的確很有意思

 10 personal musings about ROMA. 

1) The opening shot suggests that earth (the shit-infested ground) and heaven
(the plane) are irreconcilably far even if they are joined -momentarily- and
revealed, by water (the reflection). All truths in ROMA are revealed by water.

2) These planes of existence, like the separation within classes in the
household cannot be broached. The moments the family comes "closer" are
fleeting... "She saved our lives" is promptly followed by "Can you make me a
banana shake?"

3) In my view, Cleo's "silence" is used as a tool for her dramatic arch- that
leads to her most intimate pain being revealed, by water - again-  after the
Ocean rescue: "I didn't want her to be born" Cleo surpasses and holds her
emotions in silence until they finally pour out.

4) One key moment, precisely crafted is Cuaron's choice to have Cleo's water
break just as the violence explodes and her boyfriend breaks  into the store
holding both a gun and a "Love Is..." T shirt. The baby will be stillborn.

5) In every sense, ROMA is a Fresco, a Mural, not a portrait. Not only the
way it is lensed but the way it "scrolls" with long lateral dollies. The
audio visual information  (context, social unrest, factions & politics /
morals of the time) exists within the frame to be read.

6) It seems to me that the fact that Cuaron and Eugenio Caballero BUILT
several blocks (!) of Mexico City in a giant backlot (sidewalk, lampposts,
stores, asphalted streets, etc) is not well-known. This is a titanic
achievement.

7) The Class stratas are represented in the film not only in the family but
within the family and the land-owning relatives and even between Fermin and
Cleo- when he insults her in the practice field.

8) ROMA cyphers much of its filmic storytelling through image and sound.
When viewed in a theatre, it has one of the most dynamic surround mixes.
Subtle but precise.

9) Everything is cyclical. That's why Pepe remembers past lives in which he
has belonged to different classes, different professions. Things come and
go- life, solidarity, love. In our loneliness we can only embrace oh, so
briefly by the sea.

10) The final image rhymes perfectly with the opening. Once again, earth and
heaven. Only Cleo can transit between both. Like she demonstrates in the
Zovek scene,  only she has grace. We open the film looking down, we close
looking up- but the sky,  the plane, is always far away.


Cuaron often uses the Ocean in a metaphorical way: Children of Men, Roma,
Y Tu Mama Tambien, etc.
Cuaron經常使用海洋來隱喻：《人類之子》、《羅馬》、《你他媽的也是》...等。

And the great ending of Gravity... The studio was pressuring Alfonso to
"show" helicopters in the sky, coming to rescue Sandra Bullock's character.
He said "no". Emerging from the water was the triumph, touching the earth-
standing...
還有《地心引力》的精彩結局...。電影公司曾試著說服Alfonso讓直昇機入鏡，前來
救援Sandra Bullock的角色。他說:「不行」。從水面浮出已經展現獲救的可能性。

The studio then said: "Ok what about hearing the helicopters?" Alfonso, once
more, said "no". The studio then suggested adding a radio giving her
coordinates, promising help. Alfonso said "no".  Once more an ending made of
Air, land and water.
電影公司說：「好，那不然改成聽到直昇機的聲音？」Alfonso再次的說：「不行」。
電影公司接著建議讓Sandra Bullock回報座標來暗示即將獲救。Alfonso說：「不行」。
再一次地，我們看到了一個由天空、陸地、以及海洋構築出來的結局。
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推 pttnowash   : 趕快推以免被發現看不懂
→ asd1        : 其實高中英文程度google一下加字典應該夠懂大概 XD
→ asd1        : 地心引力結局 劇組建議的套路真的很好萊塢 XDD
→ asd1        : 光看文字 腦中都已經自動生成畫面跟音效了
推 bsnyyp      : 地心引力還好有堅持 如果加上電影公司的就完全沒
→ bsnyyp      : 現在的震撼感
推 Bastille    : 嗯嗯 跟我看完的想法差不多
※ 編輯: asd1 (61.222.58.223), 01/14/2019 18:24:09
→ asd1        : 最後那邊我稍微補翻一下 雖然跟主題的羅馬沒關係 XD
推 KYLAT       : 開頭的洗地板原來能這樣解讀
※ 編輯: asd1 (106.1.180.122), 01/14/2019 20:13:49
推 starchiang  : 酷！海陸空套餐！
推 salvador1988: 真的完全不需要直升機的出現