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完整標題:‘It is not COVID-19’: Indonesian health official mixes up disease and virus 發稿單位:The Jakarta Post 發稿時間:Feb 25, 2020 撰 稿 者:A. Muh. Ibnu Aqil 原文連結:https://tinyurl.com/qunrcrt A Health Ministry official said on Monday that the Japanese national who teste d positive for the novel coronavirus upon his return from a trip to Indonesia was "not a case of COVID-19". 印尼政府表示,某日本人自印尼返日本後,被檢出新冠病毒陽性反應,「並非 COVID-19 案例」。 Secretary Achmad Yurianto of the Health Ministry's disease control and prevent ion directorate general said that according to Japanese authorities, the man w as infected with “Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome coronavirus 2" – or SARS -CoV-2 – and insisted that SARS-CoV-2 was different from COVID-19. 印尼 CDC 主任 Achmad Yurianto 說,依據日本權責單位資料,該日本人是感染 SARS-Co V-2 病毒,堅持不同於 COVID-19。 “There [in Japan], he was diagnosed by doctors to have been infected with SAR S coronavirus type 2,” Yurianto told The Jakarta Post on Monday. Yurianto 週一告訴 Jakarta Post:「該日本人被診斷感染 SARS-CoV-2」。 When the Post asked Yurianto to elaborate on his insistence that the Japanese man did not have COVID-19 despite testing positive for SARS-CoV-2, he maintain ed his earlier statement. Jakarta Post 詢問 Yurianto 為何刻意堅稱該日本人並無 COVID-19、即便是 SARS-CoV- 2 陽性反應?Y 氏仍保持之前說法。 In an earlier interview with kompas.com, Yurianto claimed that coronavirus dis ease 2019, officially named COVID-19, was different from SARS-CoV-2. 更早之前Yurianto 被 kompas.com 訪問時,Yurianto 宣稱 COVID-19 不同於 SARS-Co V-2。 "What we have now is a COVID-19 epidemic. There are experts saying that COVID- 19 is different from SARS CoV-2, and that the differences reach 70 percent,” he said. Y 氏:「我們知道現在 COVID-19 大流行。專家們說 COVID-19 異於 SARS-CoV-2,而其 差異達 70%」。 Yurianto said he believed that the two were different because in dealing with Indonesian crew members of the Diamond Princess cruise ship, Japan had consist ently referred to their illness as COVID-19 rather than saying that they had t ested positive for SARS-CoV-2. Yurianto 說,他相信這兩者不同是因為鑽石公主號上的印尼籍員工是 COVID-19 病症而 不是說他們 SARS-CoV-2 陽性。 The International Committee on Taxonomy of Viruses (ICTV), which is responsibl e for naming and classifying new viruses, announced on Feb. 11 that the virus that causes COVID-19 (coronavirus disease 2019) "has been named 'severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2' (SARS-CoV-2)". 負責命名病毒的 ICTV 於 2 月 11 日宣告造成 COVID-19 病症的病毒是 SARS-CoV-2。 The World Health Organization has also published a special webpage on naming t he new coronavirus, which states that "the virus responsible for COVID-19" is named "severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2)". The subsequent section has the subheading "Why do the virus and the disease have different names?", and provides a clear explanation. WHO 也做了同樣的宣告,也有詳細解釋。 On Feb. 22, the Tokyo Metropolitan Government announced that the Japanese man was a Tokyo resident in his 60s. In related news published the same day, natio nal broadcaster NHK reported that the man was diagnosed on Feb. 19 upon his re turn from a family vacation in Indonesia, but did not specify the local destin ation. It also said that he had gone to a medical facility on Feb. 12 with "co ld-like symptoms". 2 月 22 日,東京市政府對外宣告該日本人年紀約 60 歲;NHK 則報導該日本人於 2 月 19 日自印尼返過後確診(並未提及停留地區)。另 2 月 12 日因感冒症狀就診。 Yurianto said that while the man was in Indonesia, he had only visited Bali an d had not shown any symptoms of COVID-19. Yurianto 表示此人僅去過峇里島,並未出現 COVID-19 病徵。 Meanwhile, Omni Hospital Pulomas vaccinologist Dirga Sakti Rambe said that sim ilar cases could be going undetected, as several cases had been reported of pe ople infected with SARS-CoV-2 who had not shown any symptoms of COVID-19. Omni Hospital Pulomas 的免疫專家 Dirga Sakti Rambe 說,一些 SARS-CoV-2 陽性者 並無 COVID-19 症狀。 “[Asymptomatic] cases like this would not be detected at any airport around t he world. This is what makes COVID-19 management difficult,” Dirga told the P ost. Dirga 跟 Jakarta Post 說,這樣在全世界的機場都無法偵測,會讓 COVID-19 更難管理 。 Although ports of entry like airports should check the temperature of passenge rs according to guidance from the WHO, cases of infection could still miss det ection, he said. 雖說依據 WHO 指南需在機場檢查旅客體溫,但仍可能錯漏。 “This is not the fault of the airport’s detection system, but the character of this disease. It is getting harder to control the outbreak because of asymp tomatic transmission,” said Dirga. “That’s why it must be followed up, wher e he went, etc. Ideally, we should be tracking his [close] contacts.” Dirga 說這並非機場體溫檢測問題,而是疾病的特性。這讓疾病散播控制越來越難,所以 必須追蹤病人去向以及接觸的人。 On Monday, NHK reported that the Tokyo government had identified around 80 peo ple as the man's close contacts and instructed them to remain at home in self- quarantine, and that it was continuing to surveil their condition. 週一 NHK 報導日本政府已確認約 80 人跟此人有密切接觸並實行居家隔離,持續監控他 們的健康狀態。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 42.73.116.147 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/nCoV2019/M.1582747769.A.C64.html ※ 編輯: elguapo (42.73.116.147 臺灣), 02/27/2020 04:11:10
sakura3: 對不起我看不懂!是印尼在狡辯裝傻嗎? 24.114.66.105 02/27 04:13
elguapo: 貌似是 42.73.116.147 02/27 04:17
watanmila: 小感冒啦 49.216.13.76 02/27 04:22
hugoyo: ...... 95.90.222.245 02/27 04:49
baelrog: 原來是SARS啊,我還以為是COVID19呢 134.9.253.251 02/27 04:50
kinomon: CDC 主任??? 223.139.227.18 02/27 04:54
minicll: 印尼官員認為有武漢病毒不是染上武漢肺 5.181.235.38 02/27 04:58
minicll: 就是把病毒名字跟疾病名字當成不同的疾病 5.181.235.38 02/27 04:59
minicll: 例如HIV vs AIDS 5.181.235.38 02/27 04:59
hugoyo: 原來如此,染上 流感病毒 不等於 得流感 95.90.222.245 02/27 05:00
hugoyo: 得HIV也不是得愛滋啦~~ 95.90.222.245 02/27 05:00
JasonHuang: 我才不是喜歡有錢的男人 只是想找上進 128.62.32.149 02/27 05:02
JasonHuang: 的人 128.62.32.149 02/27 05:02
VirgilAeneid: SARS-COV-2 causes COVID-19 67.169.164.13 02/27 05:02
VirgilAeneid: virus causes disease 67.169.164.13 02/27 05:03
lzv: 真是白癡,兩個是一樣的 36.230.235.250 02/27 05:08
jonsauwi: 他們在堅持什麼...123.194.172.116 02/27 05:10
bloodyiris: 完全看不懂在跳什麼 101.9.150.96 02/27 05:13
gigi832829: 這人在供三小180.217.250.158 02/27 05:14
eightyseven: 笨== 42.73.173.205 02/27 05:17
jxxxx: 帶有HIV確實不等於得到AIDS125.230.221.164 02/27 05:34
aegis43210: 印尼蓋牌的意思175.182.179.145 02/27 05:35
aegis43210: 但印尼多嚴重,外人完全沒資訊175.182.179.145 02/27 05:35
minicll: 用HIV例子是比較易明白而已 5.181.235.38 02/27 05:36
minicll: 現在情況是帶菌沒病徵也能傳染 5.181.235.38 02/27 05:37
edwin11017: 是不是該提升印尼的旅遊警戒了 115.43.131.45 02/27 06:02
edwin11017: 印尼這樣很明顯是輸出病例到日本了啊 115.43.131.45 02/27 06:03
ctes940008: 問Tosca啊,前幾天有提到政策 101.12.210.48 02/27 06:08
VirgilAeneid: Tosca因為同日發文過多,被禁言7日. 67.169.164.13 02/27 06:10
nightwing: SARS-CoV-2 病毒是武漢肺炎 非新冠肺炎180.177.132.163 02/27 06:14
nightwing: COVID-19 是新冠肺炎 問CHO應該最清楚180.177.132.163 02/27 06:19
yupei: 印尼產鴕鳥嗎?118.167.103.108 02/27 06:23
ECZEMA: 看吧! 就說會混淆 國內媒體講新冠的應該都 209.205.206.42 02/27 06:23
ECZEMA: 罰錢 還以為兩個肺炎 209.205.206.42 02/27 06:23
VirgilAeneid: SARS-COV-2 不等於 COVID-19 67.169.164.13 02/27 06:25
VirgilAeneid: SAR-COV-2會導致COVID-19 67.169.164.13 02/27 06:26
VirgilAeneid: SAR-COV-2就像HIV,是病毒名稱 67.169.164.13 02/27 06:26
VirgilAeneid: COVID-19就像是AIDS,是疾病名稱 67.169.164.13 02/27 06:26
VirgilAeneid: 所以HIV不等於AIDS,但是HIV導致AIDS 67.169.164.13 02/27 06:28
nightwing: 他國得武漢肺炎 中國得新冠肺炎180.177.132.163 02/27 06:28
nightwing: SARS-COV-2 2019-nCoV180.177.132.163 02/27 06:32
VirgilAeneid: 樓上這裡不是八卦版,不要亂搞 67.169.164.13 02/27 06:36
VirgilAeneid: 這樣亂搞自己人沒有好處的. 67.169.164.13 02/27 06:37
VirgilAeneid: 亂傳播錯誤訊息很惡劣... 67.169.164.13 02/27 06:38
kirakirei: 不承認就不是了? 101.12.64.92 02/27 06:39
nightwing: Novel coronavirus pneumonia180.177.132.163 02/27 06:40
nightwing: 這不是中國和CHO一直改名稱的理由嗎180.177.132.163 02/27 06:40
nightwing: 不然 NCP COVID-19 會不會搞混?180.177.132.163 02/27 06:42
VirgilAeneid: 樓上說他國得武漢肺炎 SARS-COV-2 67.169.164.13 02/27 06:44
VirgilAeneid: 這就是亂說了啊... 67.169.164.13 02/27 06:45
VirgilAeneid: 你說NCP,COVID-19,中國肺炎都算對 67.169.164.13 02/27 06:47
VirgilAeneid: 但是說SARS-COV-2,2019-nCoV,或者是 67.169.164.13 02/27 06:47
VirgilAeneid: 武漢病毒就是錯.這些是病毒名稱. 67.169.164.13 02/27 06:48
nightwing: 中國不承認武漢肺炎 港台承認武漢肺炎180.177.132.163 02/27 06:49
nightwing: 中國嚴格禁止武漢肺炎名稱 但卻最通用180.177.132.163 02/27 06:49
VirgilAeneid: 你要諷刺中國亂改名字是你的事情, 67.169.164.13 02/27 06:49
VirgilAeneid: 但不要自己連病名跟病毒名都搞不清 67.169.164.13 02/27 06:51
nightwing: 你一直堅持區分 病毒名稱 疾病名稱180.177.132.163 02/27 06:51
nightwing: 但這個又有何助益 都是同一種病180.177.132.163 02/27 06:52
VirgilAeneid: 因為錯就是錯.病毒名稱!=疾病名稱 67.169.164.13 02/27 06:53
VirgilAeneid: 同一種病毒可以導致不同疾病. 67.169.164.13 02/27 06:54
nightwing: 是有幾種病毒 會導致武漢肺炎180.177.132.163 02/27 06:54
VirgilAeneid: 一種疾病名可能導致於可能多種病原 67.169.164.13 02/27 06:55
VirgilAeneid: 你一直散步錯誤訊息,真的很糟糕. 67.169.164.13 02/27 06:56
nightwing: 所以 SARS-COV-2 會出現幾種疾病??180.177.132.163 02/27 06:56
VirgilAeneid: 就算是目前只有一種不代表可以混淆 67.169.164.13 02/27 06:58
nightwing: 所以快去跟印尼說吧180.177.132.163 02/27 06:58
VirgilAeneid: 要用錯誤的訊息去諷刺中國,只是 67.169.164.13 02/27 06:58
VirgilAeneid: 讓人覺得沒水準罷了. 67.169.164.13 02/27 06:59
nightwing: 這不就是中國的目的 印尼還傻傻分不清180.177.132.163 02/27 06:59
takanasiyaya: 爭論白馬非馬不會讓你防疫進步 117.19.131.37 02/27 07:01
VirgilAeneid: VZV可以引發水痘跟帶狀皰疹. 67.169.164.13 02/27 07:02
VirgilAeneid: 感冒可能是多種細菌或病毒引發. 67.169.164.13 02/27 07:02
nightwing: 得過水痘 還是會得皮蛇 倒是沒錯180.177.132.163 02/27 07:04
VirgilAeneid: 所以疾病名跟病原體名稱就是不一樣. 67.169.164.13 02/27 07:04
nightwing: 但是目前武漢肺炎的病毒 就是那一隻180.177.132.163 02/27 07:04
Szss: 別分那麼細,都是武漢肺炎。 42.76.144.251 02/27 07:05
nightwing: 直接說武漢肺炎 大家都知道是什麼病180.177.132.163 02/27 07:06
VirgilAeneid: 你要說武漢肺炎隨便你啊, 67.169.164.13 02/27 07:08
VirgilAeneid: 但是不要說武漢肺炎=SARS-COV-2 67.169.164.13 02/27 07:08
VirgilAeneid: 你沒得過水痘,就不會得皮蛇 67.169.164.13 02/27 07:10
VirgilAeneid: 水痘跟皮蛇(帶狀皰疹),症狀差異很大 67.169.164.13 02/27 07:11
VirgilAeneid: 但都是同一種病毒在不同階段的病徵 67.169.164.13 02/27 07:12
VirgilAeneid: 第一次感染VZV就是水痘發作. 67.169.164.13 02/27 07:12
VirgilAeneid: 之後如果再發,就是皮蛇了. 67.169.164.13 02/27 07:13
kinmengon: 難怪印尼一直零病例 39.8.62.225 02/27 07:14
VirgilAeneid: 感染VZV後,它會永久潛伏在神經節 67.169.164.13 02/27 07:15
selvester: 冠狀病毒 強致病性 就只有3種 其中兩種 110.26.62.255 02/27 07:15
selvester: 就是SARS沙士和SARS II武漢肺炎 110.26.62.255 02/27 07:15
VirgilAeneid: 直到適當時機再發作,變成皮蛇. 67.169.164.13 02/27 07:16
selvester: 致病性根源 和 臨床病理要分開看… 110.26.62.255 02/27 07:20
selvester: 照樓上說的 肺癌StageI II III IV都是 110.26.62.255 02/27 07:20
selvester: 不同疾病… 110.26.62.255 02/27 07:20
minicll: https://bit.ly/3cdpmow 5.181.235.38 02/27 07:31
VirgilAeneid: 嚴格來說,目前SARS-COV-2已經有多種 67.169.164.13 02/27 07:37
VirgilAeneid: 基因上的改變,但是整體算是同一種 67.169.164.13 02/27 07:37
BroSin: 繼續蓋牌 完美0確診 49.98.155.186 02/27 07:38
VirgilAeneid: 有可能久了以後,差異會大到要用不同 67.169.164.13 02/27 07:38
BroSin: 亞洲防疫破口 扯後腿國家 49.98.155.186 02/27 07:38
VirgilAeneid: 名稱來代表差異過大的武漢病毒. 67.169.164.13 02/27 07:39
david7112123: 印尼 蓋牌講幹話 有人敢信 107.77.224.226 02/27 07:41
amyflower: 不承認,不驗,0確診...... 36.224.48.8 02/27 07:59
SRadiant: SARS-COV-2在NCBI上的序列看起來還沒多114.137.134.128 02/27 08:10
SRadiant: 少變異,GISAID沒帳號,還在申請中114.137.134.128 02/27 08:10
SRadiant: 一個是病毒名稱,一個是疾病名稱,如此114.137.134.128 02/27 08:13
SRadiant: 而已。有時一個疾病可能會有多個成因,114.137.134.128 02/27 08:14
SRadiant: 有時一個病毒可能會造成多種疾病。此例(114.137.134.128 02/27 08:14
SRadiant: 武漢肺炎)剛好是一對一,不會搞混,但114.137.134.128 02/27 08:14
SRadiant: 還是要有正確的觀念114.137.134.128 02/27 08:14
aoc902001: 他身上有新冠狀病毒,但他沒有武漢肺炎 42.76.249.118 02/27 08:41
aoc902001: 的意思??阿這不就是無症狀確診病人。 42.76.249.118 02/27 08:41
SRadiant: 要看各國對於COVID-19確診的定義,目前114.137.134.128 02/27 08:44
SRadiant: 看到多為核酸檢驗陽性即為確診,不管有114.137.134.128 02/27 08:44
SRadiant: 沒有臨床症狀,臨床症狀是做為會不會檢114.137.134.128 02/27 08:44
SRadiant: 驗的依據114.137.134.128 02/27 08:44
minicll: WHO定義是只要病毒陽性,有沒有病徵都是 5.181.235.38 02/27 08:48
minicll: 確診 5.181.235.38 02/27 08:48
yuinghoooo: 大家別怕,他得到武漢肺炎,不是新冠 36.229.104.135 02/27 08:52
yuinghoooo: 肺炎 36.229.104.135 02/27 08:52
j2squared: 都只會導致武漢肺炎這樣分哪有差 101.12.16.129 02/27 09:02
j2squared: 只是讓人可以玩文字遊戲而已 101.12.16.129 02/27 09:03
asd0112: 亂扯一通 台灣要小心印尼成防疫破口 114.45.105.183 02/27 09:27
jimmylily: 印尼你...囧 123.192.78.191 02/27 10:56
birdhouse1: 推V大澄清101.136.225.176 02/27 11:59
aeoleron: 人被殺了就會死 this is a pen223.136.194.229 02/27 12:36
EBVirus: 無症狀感染者的意思 117.56.14.73 02/27 12:49
EBVirus: SARS-COV-2是病毒名 COVID-19是病名 117.56.14.73 02/27 12:50
l2272: 有一篇新的可是說印尼防疫好棒棒呢^_^ 1.161.130.4 02/27 14:36
lucypudding: 高調 123.215.40.55 03/16 14:02